No First Ditches

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[00:33] So I was, I was at work last week and telling one of my guys to, you know, try this thing
[00:42] one more time before we we gave up on it and I said, no, let's let's make one last ditch
[00:48] attempt to get this done.
[00:51] I thought to myself, what the hell am I saying?
[00:58] And I realized I need you guys to help me understand English.
[01:02] Mm hmm.
[01:03] It's a strange saying to me.
[01:04] I mean, why a ditch?
[01:09] Last ditch effort.
[01:11] Last ditch effort.
[01:13] So the definition I was irrigation, the thing that I always thought, well, like just from
[01:21] a definition, I always found it to be, you know, this is the absolute last thing we're
[01:25] going to try.
[01:26] And then there's nothing else to do.
[01:27] Yeah, I mean, it's almost exclusively used as latch last ditch effort.
[01:32] Right, right.
[01:35] Yeah, I don't ever hear just about just a ditch.
[01:40] Perfect.
[01:40] Nope, it's never.
[01:42] Yeah, I guess I can't ever think about it yet.
[01:45] Last ditch, anything else.
[01:47] It's always last ditch effort, right?
[01:50] Yeah, so it normally seems like an effort that has largely run its course with a low
[01:55] chance of success.
[01:58] That's right.
[02:00] Yeah, and you never hear of a first ditch effort.
[02:02] No, no first ditches.
[02:04] No.
[02:07] So what I thought of immediately was trench warfare, that the ditch is the last, I
[02:18] don't know, standing post.
[02:21] And if we can't make it work from this ditch, then we're just going to bail and
[02:26] retreat.
[02:28] OK, OK.
[02:30] So that's where my mind goes to.
[02:32] Do they really?
[02:33] But did they call them ditches?
[02:34] I don't know.
[02:38] Yeah, I don't know that they did.
[02:39] It's this trench, you know, for trenches, right?
[02:42] Like, yeah, right.
[02:48] Yeah, the other thing that's trench effort.
[02:50] Right.
[02:51] I've never heard that one.
[02:53] No, no, last chance.
[02:56] The my mind also went military, but it actually ended up.
[03:00] I went to aviation.
[03:03] Oh, OK.
[03:04] As in, you know, maybe it's your last chance.
[03:07] You know, after you've missed your carrier landing several times.
[03:13] Or maybe you're too far out over sea and you're running out of gas.
[03:17] Maybe a last.
[03:18] So you call it a ditch when you try and when you land your plane and try
[03:24] and eject free of it for later recovery.
[03:27] But you lose the plane.
[03:28] You call that ditching.
[03:30] OK, so my thought was, you know, maybe it's somehow a last chance to
[03:36] to ditch a plane, but it feels a little weak.
[03:40] Yeah, or maybe it's last ditch, like ditch in the sense of like evade somebody
[03:46] or somebody.
[03:47] So it's the last time you're trying to ditch.
[03:49] Like when you started talking about aviation, I thought you're going to say
[03:52] like in a dogfight, you know, you try to like like outmaneuver the guy
[03:56] and ditch him, essentially.
[04:00] Maybe that's it.
[04:02] And if you can't do that, then you're just toast.
[04:09] I don't know very much about farming.
[04:11] Yeah, me neither.
[04:13] And the only other phrase that I thought of was, you know, the, you know.
[04:18] It ain't much of a living, but it beats digging ditches, you know, I don't know.
[04:23] That's there's something about ditches being not a fun thing to do.
[04:28] Certainly.
[04:29] Well, I mean, we're I mean, I feel like you.
[04:33] The places I'm thinking about ditches are, you know, like
[04:37] agriculture is the one.
[04:42] But I can't think of anything on a farm that's like.
[04:47] That's like that, that has that sort of feel to it where,
[04:52] you know, it's like the, you know, there's nothing that that's
[04:57] there's nothing that dramatic on a farm, I don't think.
[05:02] And I've spent plenty of time on farms before you.
[05:07] Jump all over me.
[05:09] Previous to podcast host you were.
[05:12] Oh, my, my, yeah, my mom's my mom's side of the family.
[05:17] They were, you know, grandparents at a farm.
[05:19] So we would we would we would.
[05:22] Spend a couple of times a year.
[05:24] We got to the farm.
[05:26] It was chill. It was nice.
[05:31] Well, I think both of our explanations as far as time frame
[05:35] get us to World War One, World War Two area.
[05:42] Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
[05:44] So we're going first half of the 20th century.
[05:47] Yeah. Hmm.
[05:57] And we think military or farming.
[06:01] Yes. Which way we go.
[06:02] Yeah, if it's farming, then.
[06:05] Samaria. Hmm.
[06:19] I think it's I think it's trench warfare.
[06:21] I'm going to go with my trench warfare.
[06:23] OK, I'll go aviation and Joey, you've got agriculture.
[06:27] Cover our bases. Sure.
[06:30] Yeah, I mean, the only thing I think, you know, if it's
[06:34] when I think about warfare is that
[06:38] if it's the last ditch, maybe that's like the last one that you have,
[06:42] like if you had been pushed back and if you had multiples
[06:47] and you had pushed back and if the enemy gets past the last ditch, then.
[06:52] Then you are overrun.
[06:55] Then you're overrun and you're and you're your toast.
[07:03] That's the that's what I'm that's where I'm starting.
[07:05] You know, the thought process there.
[07:07] Yeah, I mean, that that that makes sense.
[07:10] I could see that.
[07:11] Or you know what?
[07:12] I'm actually you could have if you had ditches,
[07:15] if you had a flooding problem, maybe on a farm,
[07:18] like if you were near a river or something that flooded.
[07:22] And if you're maybe you had a last ditch to to prevent that flooding.
[07:28] With irrigation or something.
[07:30] If you got over, you know, if it flooded into your fields, then you'd be
[07:33] you'd be toast there.
[07:35] No more crap.
[07:38] Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah.
[07:42] But that doesn't seem like a thing that you'd like.
[07:47] Like the weird thing is that digging a ditch is not a quick thing to do.
[07:50] So like if you're.
[07:53] If being inundated by a flood.
[07:56] So like, don't try to dig a ditch real fast is.
[07:59] Yeah, futile.
[08:07] Let's see here.
[08:23] So according to vocabulary dot com, the term last ditch comes from William
[08:28] of Orange's 17th century vow to defend the Dutch Republic from France
[08:33] and Britain to the death.
[08:35] Or as he's reported to have said, I mean, to die in the last ditch.
[08:42] Expression didn't really catch on until around 1900.
[08:45] And people started using it to mean final attempt.
[08:54] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[08:58] So I'm getting from grammar as well.
[09:01] Definitely trench warfare.
[09:04] But. Pretty modern.
[09:08] Yeah. Yeah.
[09:15] Looks like the.
[09:17] You know, the intent was to to die in the last ditch.
[09:20] So that is the the final fight.
[09:23] Like, so just don't give up.
[09:27] Give up and never say you don't.
[09:30] Well, that was Googleable.
[09:38] No, I think, you know, we did a.
[09:42] Pretty much nailed it.
[09:45] I think that we did not realize it was Dutch, but.
[09:49] Isn't that a Dutch ditch? Dutch ditch.
[09:54] There you go there.
[09:57] Harper was your situation is as serious as.
[10:05] Trench warfare.
[10:06] I mean, it was definitely more important than anything Dutch.
[10:13] Even they would agree with you.
[10:20] It wasn't when Mill related with the shoe related.
[10:35] All right. But now I know how to speak English gooder.
[10:39] Perfect. Apparently, it's it's hyphenated.
[10:43] Like, yeah, sure.
[10:45] Yeah, I mean, it's a double modifier.
[10:48] Right. So. OK.
[10:51] I never get my dashes correct.
[10:54] OK. I look mine up all the time.
[10:57] Yeah, that's like I write these long things that work often.
[11:00] And I look them up very often.
[11:09] I just tell whatever word processing program I'm working on that they're wrong.
[11:14] And I'm doing it right.
[11:15] So stop telling me that.
[11:23] It's called a compound modifier, I guess.
[11:27] There we go. Not a last effort.
[11:36] It's not a ditch effort.
[11:40] It doesn't I guess it doesn't really explain why
[11:43] it is specifically last ditch effort, but
[11:47] but we know where it comes from, at least.
[11:57] Yeah. All right, team.
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[13:25] I was trying to think in my head what Dutch music sounds like, but I don't.
[13:29] I couldn't come up with anything.
[13:30] You nailed it. Did I?
[13:32] So then I decided to go like techno or something.
[13:35] I'm sure I could look like a name by a single Dutch band.
[13:43] There's got to be some.
[13:44] I don't know. I mean, there's some that I've heard of.
[13:48] I don't think so.
[13:51] But nothing is coming to mind.
[13:55] So if you if you Google Dutch band, you'll get such
[13:58] famous groups as Focus and Arianne.
[14:04] And of course, Deschtat.
[14:11] Yeah, those guys.
[14:14] Well, you guys play all their coverage, right, Jason? Yes.
[14:19] We actually did a Deschtat tribute
[14:24] show a couple weeks ago.