Humble Brag

[00:00] How do we want to bring this in just?
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[00:06] We can't bring it in kind of just go. I don't know what we witty banter
[00:11] Whitsy banter. Yeah, just all insert some of that here
[00:16] Done and done
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[00:44] All right team
[00:47] time for another
[00:50] under the Google
[00:52] Coalson, what question you got for us this week? I have a million questions, but I think
[01:00] Jason had one that bothered me
[01:03] If it bothered you thought of me too, so soon
[01:08] I do the crosswords. That's my one of my hobbies nice and one of the
[01:15] answers to a clue the other day was
[01:19] dressed to the nines and
[01:22] I thought that's a phrase that I know I was able to get the answer from you know the clue and again humble briders
[01:29] And whatnot that's right
[01:31] This is it did I mention this was the New York Times
[01:38] Was it a Sunday New York Times, I think it was a Saturday, okay still really hard
[01:44] Yeah, Tuesday takes me all day. So didn't tell you he was blindfolded
[01:51] uphill in the snow
[01:54] It was quite amazing upside down
[01:56] And I so it was a phrase that I had heard being dressed to the nines
[02:03] But I had I and I think I know what it means, but I have no idea where it comes from so I'd like
[02:10] You two of my smartest friends to try to help me figure it out
[02:14] So that I mean I guess the definition I always took it as just being
[02:19] Super duper dressed up looking great
[02:21] Yeah, kind of thing like you got it all all the all the top-end stuff is what you're going for
[02:27] Mm-hmm. You're as dressed up as you could be dressed up. Yeah, exactly fantastic
[02:33] Yes agreed, that's my understanding of it, but why the nines why not the tens tensing seems to be a
[02:44] Denotation of you know perfection like ten out of ten
[02:48] Right no notes. Yeah, right. I'm assuming it's not on a scale of one to ten. I'm assuming probably not
[03:00] It's like a computer thing it's zero to nine
[03:04] Actually a ten point scale but
[03:10] What's another phrase
[03:12] What would nines be like I mean outside of the number nine, right?
[03:17] I mean, is there another way to is it is a different language? Are we oh?
[03:21] Yeah, like maybe nines means something else like in German German like nines no, right
[03:29] Just to the nose to the no
[03:32] Just to the nose
[03:34] What about it?
[03:36] perhaps
[03:37] It has something to do with the numbers of articles of clothing like you're dressed to the nines. That means you have
[03:45] Nine pants a shirt a vest a jacket
[03:50] Top hat or something being the last one or something
[03:54] handkerchief tie
[03:55] Cravat cravat nice, so there's only not articles of clothing that you could wear
[04:02] So you're wearing that's tough in my head because I was thinking of the to the part is kind of the the weird to the
[04:08] Nines, I see so that would be the sort of that you're not dressed up tonight or whatever
[04:12] Yeah, right. You're just to the night. So like from head to toe kind of oh
[04:19] Well, let's see if it's to your toes it'd be tense, right? Mm-hmm. You're just here tens head to ten toes
[04:32] What if okay, what what if the nines is an era right like so it was saying like
[04:39] It's the 1809 or something. We're dressed to the nines
[04:44] or the 90s
[04:47] 1590s
[04:49] Or it's like yeah, you would get
[04:52] Super gussied up for like New Year's Eve or something like that
[04:55] And if it were a year that was the end of the decade, he'd be oh
[04:59] The most kind of like you would want to be I kind of like that like this is the most
[05:04] the biggest party you're ever gonna have is the right before the
[05:08] turn of a decade
[05:10] So the biggest party would have been
[05:13] 1999 right. That's right. Well, that's what's look great. Let's be honest
[05:18] Yeah, but imagine how you address in the year
[05:23] 9999 oh, yeah, hmm probably with
[05:28] Some more LEDs or something. That's when the Eclipse is coming back to Indiana, right something like that. Yeah
[05:35] Joey you got any thoughts
[05:39] Yeah, I mean the scale the scale thing is like the thing that makes the most sense
[05:43] But I just don't know why it caps out at nine. Normally things say, you know, it's
[05:48] 10 out of 10, you know, I
[05:51] Do like the nine articles of clothing?
[05:55] But I feel like if you're super fancy, there's always one more, you know, right?
[06:00] could it be a nonsense thing like out of the 20s like the bees knees or the
[06:05] Well, I was I was actually wondering if it was it was a 20s phrase, you know, it does feel like that
[06:11] I mean, I I'm happy to go back earlier
[06:15] and do you know
[06:18] Some sort of European royalty
[06:22] Hmm
[06:23] But this feels like a 20s phrase to me
[06:27] Nines but like what would be yeah, I mean
[06:33] now like
[06:38] You know you mentioning top hats and invest and stuff. I often think of this as
[06:44] Women's clothing like the women is a woman is dressed to them. Oh interesting. Okay
[06:49] and I'm wondering if
[06:52] there's
[06:54] a certain amount of
[06:58] Buttons in a corset or something, you know, like only the most expensive
[07:04] You had nine buttons or something. Yeah, like you know, you couldn't afford this many buttons or something
[07:11] Unless you had I like that. I'm dressed to the nine buttons
[07:15] all the way down the corset or the
[07:19] Whatever. Yeah, or maybe it's you button it up all the way
[07:22] Whereas if you're not dressed in lines, it's a more relaxed feel but if you're dressed in the nines, it's like even more all the way up
[07:29] Yeah
[07:31] How many buttons are on a shirt?
[07:33] Normally, I don't know anything about seven. I think okay. I don't know anything about corsets but
[07:37] Seven on a shirt. It's pretty clear. You don't know anything about course. Are you sure?
[07:42] Feel like I know a lot about corsets
[07:47] So, yeah, so what if there was a nine button shirt
[07:52] Like back in the day
[07:53] Yeah, like now we do seven but like there was like one on the bottom and one at the neck
[07:58] You know me we have one at the neck, but
[08:00] You think they were just like extra modest or something?
[08:04] No, she's your most formal. I feel like everybody always wore a shirt. It's high back in the day though. True
[08:13] So what makes that more? Yeah, and maybe it's like for women it would be like that like
[08:24] Now but they always wore dresses down in their ankles. I was thinking like
[08:28] you know, it could be a length thing of a
[08:32] garment like
[08:33] Mm-hmm gown is the longest like fancies thing you could wear
[08:37] But yeah, you really couldn't show ankles for a long time. So exactly
[08:42] Yeah
[08:43] For good for good reasons. Maybe that's what it was
[08:46] It was like you're you you hiked it up from a 10 to a 9 so you could see a little ankle. Oh
[08:52] Yeah, all right
[08:55] Just to the 9 inch skirt 9 9 this didn't quite work
[09:04] No, just blown everyone's mind
[09:09] What
[09:12] I think it's a Victorian era thing. Yeah, Victoria. Okay, so that's that's one. Yeah, I
[09:19] Don't
[09:20] And yeah, I don't know if it's like that that the numbers of articles of clothing or yeah
[09:26] Like a buttons thing or something like that, but I think it's in that
[09:30] Vain that it's something
[09:33] referring to the actual like clothing
[09:36] As opposed to being something unrelated
[09:42] Great gaps Gatsby. I think this came from
[09:47] Scott Fitzgerald
[09:48] Okay
[09:49] Well, so there it might make sense right because this this is we're in the roaring 20. So not every skirt is down to the
[09:56] the floor
[09:58] Things are a little bit looser should
[10:04] The temperance movement was still very my day full fully clothed
[10:08] I
[10:10] This is great, I've I've I've really got into it
[10:17] Yeah, I don't this is this is
[10:19] This is tough. I
[10:22] I mean, I I'm I'm inclined to say it could be
[10:28] Just sort of nonsensical a little bit, you know
[10:32] Hmm. Okay
[10:34] But I I don't know it's hard
[10:37] Is our what is what is nines like why is that useful like I mean, you know, like there's
[10:46] Six things on a die and you're right ten is like sort of unless you crank to 11 is usually
[10:54] the scale for most things
[10:58] But the 11th like a joke, you know, like it's yeah, I mean is it a joke though or is it awesome? Yes. Okay
[11:09] All right, should we look this up cuz we're
[11:17] You got Victorian era. I've got Scott Fitzgerald. So
[11:26] According to this is I'm on someplace else but according to wordplay
[11:32] Is a specific application of the Scottish phrase to the nines
[11:38] Early written evidence suggested that it first appeared in the early 18th century
[11:45] It
[11:47] Is speculated that the phrase is derived from the not the game of nine pen
[11:52] But the connection is murky
[11:56] Nine pen, I don't even know what that is
[11:59] Nine is the maximum score possible on any one throw in nine pens, but it's not the score for a perfect game
[12:06] Nor does the number nine have any special significance in the game
[12:14] Okay, I've also got
[12:16] Old English
[12:21] Dressed to the ein
[12:23] Which is also
[12:25] Dressed to the eyes and it was mistook over the years
[12:33] Dressed to the oh, it's a like old English as dressed to yeah, you're you're very flatter. Yeah
[12:40] Yeah, you you dress to my to thine ein is what it is dressed to thine ein
[12:48] And then nine ein gets taken to the nines. I also have the
[12:55] Regiment of foot in Lonark Shire British Army in 1824
[13:03] Was the 99th regiment and they were reportedly known for immaculate condition of their uniforms
[13:11] So you'd be dressed to the yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't like that one as much
[13:16] Dirty this one seems pretty murky
[13:18] There is some there's a lot of a lot of thoughts on what it might be but it doesn't seem
[13:26] it doesn't seem that there's like a
[13:31] Consensus answer on this one. I like old English dress to nine ein
[13:37] Dress to the eyes you dressed for the eyes and then it gets dressed to the nines
[13:44] Makes I saw one
[13:46] one of them was saying that
[13:49] Ten is perfection and since you can't
[13:52] Because you can't obtain perfection nines the best you're gonna do. Hmm
[13:57] But that was that was a guess
[14:01] There's one conjecture that seems not true is that it comes from Taylor's using nine yards of material to make a finely grafted suit
[14:12] But
[14:13] That's apparently an insane amount of material for just one seat
[14:23] So it looks like
[14:26] At least from Wikipedia the earliest written example is a phrase comes from
[14:31] 1719 the pistol to Ramsey by the Scottish poem poet
[14:37] William Hamilton
[14:39] The Bonnie lines therein thou sent me how to the nines they did content me
[14:47] Mm-hmm
[14:48] And then Robert Burns in that same year said thou paints old nature to the nines in my sweet
[14:57] Caledonian lines
[15:01] So old English or Scottish at least from first publication
[15:07] Yeah, and apparently there's a thing called the nine muses
[15:11] Yeah
[15:12] and
[15:13] the first few references are
[15:15] Sort of referring to artful writing or whatever may be suggesting that the first
[15:22] original
[15:24] Impression is like, you know to the nine muses or something. Oh, that would be to see that makes a lot of sense to me
[15:30] that you've dressed to the nine uses is
[15:35] The only logical thing that's been said so far this evening
[15:41] Yeah, so it's Scottish yeah
[15:46] We know that it came from Scotland, but and we know that it was written down in the 1790s
[15:54] 17
[15:55] Tens early 1710 1719 1719. I'm sorry. I said pistol to Ramsey
[16:02] Oh, okay. Sorry about that and then burns is what did 1791? So I just yeah missed that
[16:07] Okay, fair enough. It seems to me like from a lot of these ones that we've done that you could just
[16:14] Write a poem with a bunch of crazy stuff in there and then
[16:19] Society just picks it up. Yeah because it's written down somewhere. Yeah, that's all sure
[16:24] That's what we've done with everything Shakespeare ever wrote
[16:28] Yeah, or we're just attributing it to the fact that that's the first time we could find it done great
[16:32] I'm sure sure we're talking about it long before
[16:35] Right. Well, I'm gonna take away this from this is that it was the nine muses from
[16:41] Scottish poets and I feel pretty good about that next time I say you're
[16:47] You know, I'll just I'll I'll give a little prayer to the muses. It sounds great. I appreciate that
[16:57] Are you one of the muses?
[16:59] You tell me shout out
[17:02] Shout out to the muses out there
[17:05] every time we tie my muses that always reminds me of living in New Orleans and
[17:09] How all of the streets in New Orleans were named for muses
[17:15] But they were just mispronounced
[17:18] And what can you name the nine muses? No, no, but my favorite example was
[17:25] Calliope Street in New Orleans is Calio
[17:29] Yeah, that was the only one that I knew Joey do you know any
[17:32] No, no. All right, there's a
[17:36] Muse Calliope for epic poetry epic poetry Cleo for history
[17:45] Polyhemia hmm for mine
[17:49] Where you terpe for flute
[17:53] Maybe these are not
[17:55] Let's see. That's from mine. Okay, I didn't know we had a mind set of functions became associate
[18:01] So these are like their functions. Okay you terpe the flute
[18:06] Terpsichore
[18:08] light verse and dance
[18:10] irado
[18:12] lyric choral poetry
[18:14] Mel
[18:16] Mel
[18:17] pomene
[18:19] tragedy Thalia
[18:21] comedy and
[18:22] Urania astronomy. Wow. I feel like I want to know more about the nine muses now
[18:32] I think they're the daughters of Zeus. Okay
[18:39] daughters of Zeus and
[18:46] Nemecine nemecine
[18:49] the goddess of memory
[18:51] in in
[18:53] emo
[19:00] Yeah, I wish I had paid more attention when we did a Greek mythology back in school, but I
[19:06] Did a I am reading right now a book. I'm reading is called Cersei and it's it is a like a new
[19:15] Retailing of the of those myths and it's it's very fun
[19:19] It's not like fan fiction about Cersei Lannister from Game of Thrones. No
[19:24] No, no Cersei. Yes, Cersei was a
[19:27] she was a
[19:28] Greek goddess and
[19:31] It's it's a very very very solid
[19:35] Look, I'm most of the way through but cool. She's the the author Madeleine Miller has written a couple of those
[19:43] I
[19:45] 'm excited attention in school
[19:48] Did I really like the writing this the writing style is I really enjoy and and she's also doing a
[19:54] This week on Thursday evening. She's doing a presentation through indeed public library
[20:01] No, no, I'll be attending that one. I need I want to finish it before
[20:07] before the
[20:08] the president pop quiz
[20:10] Yep, in case there's a quiz. Yeah, sure. Oh and the overachiever. Yeah
[20:16] Shout out to a great Indiana author Dan Wakefield died this week. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Shut up
[20:26] Nicely done guys I
[20:29] We didn't nail it but I feel like I learned something that's not what she said, but whatever call it dressed to the nines