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Episode 182 · September 10, 2023

Whistle Pig

A groundhog digging a hole next to a fence prompts the hosts to ask whether a groundhog and a woodchuck are different.

“Whistlepig. That's an excellent bourbon.” (10:06)

Questions

What is the difference between a groundhog and a woodchuck? (01:06)

Our guess
They are the same animal, or perhaps regional variations, with groundhogs different from prairie dogs.
Reveal the answer
The answer
There is no difference: they are the same animal (Marmota monax, a marmot). "Woodchuck" comes from the Algonquian word "wuchak" and has nothing to do with chucking wood. Groundhog Day was brought by German settlers in Pennsylvania, who used hedgehogs in Germany.
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Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] So, we just have free play for the next 40 minutes or whatever, so we can knock out some
[00:08] under Googles.
[00:09] What do you got on your list there, Coalson?
[00:23] We do under Googles.
[00:24] That was the play of Super Excited.
[00:27] We told us we had to.
[00:29] We said we signed up for it.
[00:35] In the end, it's going to be better and more true than Google can give you.
[00:40] Okay.
[00:41] Here's a good one.
[00:42] It's very pertinent right now in my life because a groundhog has dug a hole right on the other
[00:53] side of the fence, and so the dogs are just losing their mind constantly.
[01:00] I stuck a rock down there.
[01:04] That's not going to kill the groundhog.
[01:06] The groundhog will just have to dig another hole somewhere else, hopefully further away
[01:10] from the fence, but my roommate says that it's not a groundhog, it's a woodchuck, and
[01:19] I would like to know the difference between a groundhog and a woodchuck.
[01:22] That you would want to know how much wood a woodchuck could chuck, if woodchuck could
[01:27] chuck wood.
[01:28] Well, so her argument is that a woodchuck doesn't actually chuck wood and that I'm just
[01:32] being silly because I said the exact same thing you did.
[01:34] Well, of course a woodchuck can't chuck wood.
[01:39] That's the whole point of the thing is if they were able to chuck wood.
[01:43] If a woodchuck could chuck wood, but does a woodchuck eat wood like a beaver or is it
[01:50] just dig holes like a groundhog?
[01:53] These are very good questions and I don't know the answer to it.
[02:00] My initial inclination is that they're the same thing, that a groundhog and a woodchuck
[02:03] are the same thing.
[02:04] They're clearly very closely related if they are not the same thing.
[02:10] So I always thought like you think of groundhogs and you think of like a bunch of holes dug
[02:16] out west, right?
[02:17] And like the little groundhogs that stick up like a prairie dog.
[02:20] You're thinking of prairie dogs.
[02:22] Oh no, that's a different thing than a groundhog.
[02:25] Yeah.
[02:26] Yeah.
[02:27] Oh no.
[02:28] Groundhog is what we do for groundhogs.
[02:29] Groundhog's a tonny fill.
[02:31] Yeah.
[02:33] How is that different than a prairie dog?
[02:35] It's location.
[02:36] Prairie dogs are leaner and lighter and fur, they're smaller.
[02:42] Yeah.
[02:43] Groundhogs are big.
[02:44] Groundhogs are big and that's what this thing is.
[02:47] It's beefy.
[02:48] He just hung out and like sunned in the middle of the road the other day and like the dogs
[02:52] are just losing their mind.
[02:53] It's a big old boy.
[02:54] Yeah.
[02:55] Prairie dogs are much smaller.
[02:57] Oh, we have a little...
[02:58] Prairie dogs are like guinea pig size.
[03:01] Yeah.
[03:02] We have a little road behind the yard that's not like a...
[03:07] It's not an actual through road.
[03:11] There's fun information here.
[03:14] We have a trailer store or a shed store directly next door.
[03:22] Tractors play?
[03:23] No, tractors play.
[03:24] They sell sheds.
[03:26] Just straight up sheds.
[03:28] Yeah.
[03:29] And so they have a trailer that takes the sheds down the back behind our yard.
[03:34] That's the only reason that road exists.
[03:36] So there's not a lot of traffic, I suppose.
[03:40] Gotcha.
[03:41] So you could just hang out there all day sunning in the middle of the road like a
[03:45] groundhog slash woodchuck.
[03:48] But to get back to your, your analogy I think is somewhat correct in that groundhogs
[03:56] make burrows and tunnels of things to get around.
[04:03] The other thing that's different, and I actually don't know this, prairie dogs are very social,
[04:08] right?
[04:09] Like they live in huge colonies and they pair bond for life and all this stuff.
[04:16] And I want to say the groundhogs are solitary creatures, but I'm not a hundred percent sure
[04:22] on that.
[04:23] At least Puck's time fill is.
[04:25] Right.
[04:26] Right.
[04:27] Doesn't have a lot of friends.
[04:28] Yeah.
[04:29] And that, and that groundhog from Caddyshack, you know, that blew things up.
[04:33] That guy was a loner for sure.
[04:34] He was like the unibomber kind of, right?
[04:41] What is your inclination, Harper?
[04:42] I don't know what the hell a woodchuck is.
[04:45] Yeah, exactly.
[04:46] What's a woodchuck?
[04:47] I only know the cider.
[04:48] Yeah.
[04:49] Think about that picture on the woodchuck cider.
[04:51] Is that a, they look like a groundhog?
[04:53] Yeah, it does.
[04:54] I feel like it's in my head, a woodchuck was always like in between a groundhog and a beaver.
[05:01] Like it was like a, it was like something that maybe eight wood and it had slightly
[05:05] big teeth, but like maybe just because it said woodchuck.
[05:10] But I also assumed it burrowed probably didn't make dams, you know, like it was like some
[05:16] sort of.
[05:19] So yeah.
[05:20] I think that a woodchuck, a woodchuck, you would think based on the name is like a forest
[05:25] animal.
[05:26] Right.
[05:27] I think it's a forest animal.
[05:28] Whereas a groundhog is a plains animal.
[05:30] Yeah.
[05:31] But we've already established that prairie dogs are plains animals and groundhogs are
[05:34] not.
[05:35] They live in the forests of Pennsylvania.
[05:40] Well we established that groundhogs were not prairie dogs.
[05:43] That's what we established.
[05:44] I don't think we established the living.
[05:47] Sure.
[05:48] Habits and I have no idea if Punxsutawney Phil is native to Pennsylvania or whether
[05:55] they just kidnapped him from, you know, that's right.
[05:58] I think that was all publicity stunt, right?
[06:02] Just to make Punxsutawney a place that people want to go to.
[06:07] That's not where he grew up.
[06:08] It's not where he lives.
[06:10] There's been like multiples of them.
[06:12] I don't know where they come from.
[06:13] I'm aware that he didn't live for like 400 years or whatever, but like they just
[06:18] steal groundhogs.
[06:19] It's like a zoo.
[06:20] They just have like a little encampment for him and his relatives don't know.
[06:26] I don't think that groundhogs just wander up to, you know, whatever the officials are
[06:31] like.
[06:32] I'd be like, like to be the name.
[06:33] I don't think the whole tryouts, right?
[06:34] No.
[06:35] I mean, they have to get them from somewhere.
[06:36] I don't know where.
[06:37] You can volunteer yours.
[06:38] Maybe this is a good solution to your groundhog problem.
[06:40] That would be awesome.
[06:41] Do you think it's like a miss groundhog pageant and they have different like categories
[06:47] and he has to do the talent and they ask questions and stuff.
[06:52] Tap dance and like give us your thoughts on world peace.
[06:55] They have the bikini competition.
[06:58] Sure.
[07:00] Yeah.
[07:01] Well, no.
[07:02] I mean, clearly I know that they keep Puck's study fill in a small cage and it is probably
[07:13] abused.
[07:14] But I assume that they like shade of the poor town of Pakistan.
[07:20] I assume they found him regionally, they didn't have to like go somewhere far away and bring
[07:24] it back.
[07:25] Like, yeah, I mean, I mean, I think, yeah, because didn't we do groundhog day and it
[07:31] goes back to it's like a I don't know how I'm going to forget.
[07:37] But it was definitely in the Northeast, like early colonial days or whatever.
[07:42] Right.
[07:43] And so that would be the Northeast.
[07:44] Yeah.
[07:45] And they would be native to that.
[07:46] I would think so.
[07:47] I mean, I suspect that groundhogs are in like lots and lots of places up and down the
[07:53] at least up and down the East Coast.
[07:54] I mean, my best guess I'm kind of with you.
[07:57] There's probably a geographical factor at work here if they're not the same thing, which
[08:03] I'm guessing that they're not.
[08:05] And maybe that, you know, the woodchucks just, you know, maybe live at higher altitudes
[08:11] or something.
[08:12] Let's do this.
[08:13] It's a llama.
[08:14] Llama and alpaca.
[08:15] The mountain woodchuck.
[08:16] What if woodchucks are west of the Mississippi or something?
[08:17] I don't know.
[08:18] It's like it's the same thing, but we just call them different things.
[08:30] That could be.
[08:31] That could be like a like a Carl's Jr. and a Hardee's.
[08:34] Yes, exactly.
[08:35] I think the woodchuck is the Carl's Jr. or a Jr. of Hardee's.
[08:41] All right.
[08:42] So if you Google Groundhog versus and then just let it be a blank, what do you think
[08:48] the top hit is for Groundhog versus Prairie Dog?
[08:52] I think it's the top hit.
[08:53] No.
[08:54] That's number four.
[08:55] Oh, no.
[08:56] Groundhog versus Groundhog versus Woodchuck is three.
[09:04] OK, what would a woodchuck fight?
[09:09] Groundhog versus Beaver.
[09:11] Beaver.
[09:12] OK.
[09:13] Number two.
[09:14] Number one.
[09:15] Groundhog versus Gopher.
[09:16] Gopher.
[09:17] I think Gopher was in Caddyshack.
[09:20] Yeah, that was a Gopher.
[09:23] Yeah.
[09:24] All right.
[09:25] According to pestworld.org.
[09:27] I'm all in on this website.
[09:31] There is no difference between a groundhog and a woodchuck.
[09:36] The terms Groundhog and Woodchuck are interchangeable.
[09:40] Let's see.
[09:41] Do we know how?
[09:42] Yeah.
[09:43] So the first two hits are pestworld and Terminex.
[09:46] Interesting.
[09:47] Let's go to the Massachusetts Audubon Society.
[09:53] Yeah.
[09:54] Woodchuck's parentheses Groundhog.
[09:55] And Woodchuck Monota Monax belongs to the Marmot family.
[09:58] It goes by many names, including Groundhog and Whistlepig, due to the sound they make
[10:04] through their large teeth.
[10:06] Whistlepig.
[10:07] That's an excellent bourbon.
[10:10] It really is.
[10:11] And I had no idea that it was related to Groundhog.
[10:13] Yeah.
[10:14] I thought that was just made up a name.
[10:17] Whistling pigs.
[10:19] Wow.
[10:21] So why does this stupid thing have so many names?
[10:23] Right.
[10:24] That's what I want to know.
[10:25] I mean, they just must be everywhere.
[10:26] And so everybody just like came up with their own name.
[10:28] Yep.
[10:29] And it seems like they're real pains in the asses.
[10:31] Yeah.
[10:32] All right.
[10:38] Let's see.
[10:41] And Gopher is a rodent of some kind.
[10:57] Not a Groundhog slash Woodchuck.
[11:02] Both are rodents.
[11:04] Groundhogs are bigger, stockier, and hibernate in winter.
[11:08] Interesting.
[11:09] Yeah.
[11:10] One of the few true hibernators found in Massachusetts.
[11:12] Cool.
[11:14] They sleep away the winter.
[11:17] There you have it.
[11:18] They're the same.
[11:21] And I guess it's just a situation that everybody has things in their backyard that drives their
[11:27] dogs crazy.
[11:28] And so they just named them something different.
[11:30] No.
[11:31] I did the human or the English language wasn't confusing enough.
[11:34] So we thought we'd throw eight names on the same thing.
[11:38] Right.
[11:39] All right.
[11:40] Fair enough.
[11:41] Oh, here we go.
[11:43] And Punxsutawney Phil is local.
[11:47] And to remind us of our Groundhog.
[11:49] So Groundhog Day was brought over by Germans that settled in Pennsylvania.
[12:00] But back in Germany, they used hedgehogs, but they had to use local fauna.
[12:05] So they went with the Groundhog.
[12:07] OK.
[12:08] For Kendall Mustay.
[12:10] I've got A to Z animals as a fairly very good explanation.
[12:18] So the English called these creatures Groundhogs.
[12:23] But the Alaguanquin name for a Groundhog is Wuchach.
[12:28] I'm assuming I'm saying that exactly correct.
[12:32] Yep.
[12:33] And this name was likely adapted by English settlers.
[12:38] Stars do not chuck wood, and it has nothing to do with that because it actually comes from
[12:44] the Alaguanquin.
[12:45] Wuchach.
[12:46] Wuchach.
[12:47] That makes sense.
[12:49] There you go.
[12:51] That's why they have the same name.
[12:53] White people say one thing and not listening to natives.
[12:57] That makes a lot more sense.
[12:58] Well, strangely, we did listen to them.
[13:00] And then came up with the wrong thing.
[13:03] We had a name for it, and then we listened to them and decided to say they just weren't
[13:06] just wrong.
[13:07] Yes.
[13:08] That's exactly what happened.
[13:09] That was fun.
[13:10] I've got to let white people.
[13:11] Yeah.
[13:12] We're awesome.
[13:13] We're awesome.
[13:14] OK.
[13:15] Nice work, team.