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Episode 165 · November 26, 2022

Three Straight Men

Inspired by Kyrie Irving, the hosts ask where "too clever by half" comes from.

“You were too slow by half.” (10:16)

Questions

Where does the phrase "too clever by half" come from? (01:06)

Our guess
A British phrase from a playwright (Shakespeare or Greek era), or an overshoot of cleverness; also guessed a sitcom or a barista.
Reveal the answer
The answer
It is British, with the "by half" form used by Sheridan in The School for Scandal (1780, "too moral by half"), and "too clever by half" is recorded by 1858. "By half" originally meant "half again as much".
Verdict partly

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[00:00] everything about what a cross I'm embraced that I said you know what look
[00:03] I'm just gonna go ahead and cheat so I'm the smartest person through because
[00:08] that's what everybody expects out of this I'm just a person your brains and
[00:14] the bra and the and the beauty mm-hmm yeah and that and that's actually a
[00:22] radio voice she's got all the people's basically why are you guys are maybe why
[00:32] are the rest of you here you're so good you need three straight men I need three
[00:46] fluffers yeah all right so so we've been talking about our friend Kyrie Irving
[00:55] right in my brain I was thinking about him and he's too smart for his own good
[01:06] just like just like John Paulson which led me to the phrase too clever by half
[01:12] yeah under Google rules that was the play of super excited told us we had to
[01:31] so we said we signed up for it in the end it's gonna be better and more true than
[01:40] Google can give you what a I am not smart enough to know even what that phrase
[01:46] means let alone where it comes from too clever by half what are you guys
[01:51] heard this joke I think I've heard I think it means like does it mean too
[02:00] clever but then it didn't go well yeah is that right I mean my interpretation is
[02:08] something akin to too smart for their own good yeah it's almost like an
[02:15] overshoot it's like you were there and then like you got cute about it like you
[02:32] kind of had it and then like yeah you just over extrapolated yeah like the
[02:38] the level of cleverness would have been you know should have been 100% and that
[02:45] would have done it correctly yeah and you can't go to 150% everybody knows you can
[02:51] only go to 104 that's right so yeah I mean that's kind of what I think is okay
[02:58] okay to make sense me so so where do we think that came from and where when did
[03:06] people start using this and specifically like why I have you know why isn't it
[03:10] right five you know too clever by a quarter right I mean it's not imperial
[03:19] so I'm feeling that trick okay I'm going I mean I'm big on like numbers okay oh you
[03:35] know like letters numbers like he was more of a variable I mean yeah well no
[03:40] okay okay no you're right you're I'm gonna go I'm gonna see squared two it's a
[03:47] number I'm gonna go with a barista cuz they're gonna ask you whether you want
[03:54] half and half okay country of origin Norway okay no
[04:03] it's called a lot of cows a lot of coffee for half and half I think you're too
[04:10] clever by by negative half yeah I mean it's definitely like a sweet turner phrase
[04:19] like I just instinctually have always liked it as yeah it's very clear yeah so
[04:25] like somebody like a really good playwright come up with this shit or
[04:30] author or something okay right okay I like that idea so I'm gonna go
[04:39] ancient Greece I'm on air stuff it's hard on your stuff all right I'm gonna go I'm
[04:47] gonna go with a sitcom writer I think it's very recent very recent yeah and I
[04:57] think it was like like let's say I'm not a Lucille ball although did she
[05:04] actually write yeah yeah she wrote yeah she wrote produced and acted she did
[05:09] everything well outside of her own show yeah let's go Lucille ball let's never
[05:17] been Lucille ball but I'm going with it I feel older free yeah I know I'm going
[05:23] I'm thinking this is I'm thinking this is Shakespeare again
[05:28] Shakespeare's clutch seems in that era to me okay I think you're all wrong I think
[05:37] it's a modern barista slash Lucille ball okay you split your vote no I mean I
[05:48] already I'm already on the over whatever you guys took I'm on the over
[05:53] you guys are Shakespeare and Aristophanes to define too clever by half annoyingly
[06:06] proud of one's intelligence or skill and in danger of overreaching oneself mm-hmm
[06:13] that's he was always too clever by very solid definition of it I guess the by
[06:27] half designation was originally formulated in Sheridan 1780 school for
[06:36] scandal oh he's too moral by half okay okay and if too clever by half in 1858
[06:48] that's when Lucille was born right no heyday is a Britishism like a Leon good
[06:57] show and it was crossing and she still retains its British flavor some British
[07:05] to me I don't think you get to win that Shakespeare is like a thing Joey
[07:15] you just be like oh it was like you know four hundred years later but it was
[07:20] brighter so it's Shakespeare that's not fair yeah I think Joey nailed it what do
[07:24] you got Jason there's a history of by half meaning half again as much with no
[07:36] disparagement intended as in these two early examples excited by the Oxford
[07:41] dictionary in a letter from Balzac she is fair by one half than she was before
[07:52] or anything called cocaine truffle in oh yeah but those are all around
[08:07] earlier than the things we cited but they're all written at like 5 a.m. very
[08:14] excitedly right while watching a podcast network whatever dude I'll sleep on that
[08:20] shit no guys look I've got a great idea I got a great idea we should do a
[08:32] podcast like look like I'm serious like I think we look I just want all of us
[08:38] to commit right now right now do the podcast on a house oh yeah
[08:45] totally here's the thing I think all of us what we should do oh here's the thing
[08:49] that oh no all of us do half-assed we we're all half-assed and then that's the
[08:56] podcast and we'll turn in the movie it's gonna be awesome oh you know what
[09:00] and we also we mean we we need a theme song which I will write right now turn
[09:07] up lights this prison sites a something from oven in London a ludicrous poem by
[09:24] a member of the University of Oxford find you're a rare dad bright sir at pun
[09:34] I rejoined his bright spouse he's too clever by half for he makes such attempts
[09:41] that I never can laugh I'm sorry yeah that's pretty brutal though like I like
[09:50] it hey clever by half sounds like my new like this on everybody fine this one's
[10:01] Dapper Poe because it means like you're not that smart here you think you're
[10:07] smarter than you are yeah all right but you know I'm gonna know it's coming
[10:16] cuz you're so clever by half well it's just I I just never more than anyone that
[10:23] I know and we were just talking about it so I'm gonna say a comment I'm just saying
[10:27] I thought I kind of nailed it there you were too slow by half