Disembodied Hand

[00:00] So we've got a lot of infighting and a duck mobile. That's what we got. I
[00:08] Feel like this is the one thing that we used to be able to figure out how to do is get people freaking mail
[00:15] We could put a man on the moon and get people mail in the middle of nowhere. Like we can do that
[00:23] We can but the question is at what cost how expensive is it gonna be?
[00:27] I mean, that's always been the question the USPS is an amazing institution
[00:32] The idea that somehow if we privatized it all these problems would go away has never quite made sense to me
[00:37] And in fact, it makes less and less sense
[00:41] Wow, I mean given the tone of this article, I would argue that a private company would not be engaging in this sort of
[00:50] profligacy
[00:51] If it were left up to them, so this this would certainly be an argument for privatization fair enough
[00:57] But I mean, you know, you've got Amazon and and you know
[01:02] FedEx and
[01:04] UPS, you know still using
[01:07] The United States Postal Service to get stuff to unreachable points because it's an amazing
[01:13] Entity. Yeah, shout out postal service. It's an amazing amazing shout out postal service 51 cents
[01:21] Yeah, just for since up anywhere. Yeah, whatever you want
[01:26] Actually Joey
[01:29] I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna send you some
[01:32] Some good vibes 51 cents coming your way. Are you sending it through the postal service? Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Okay. All right
[01:40] Well, you're coming here in like a day. So yeah, good call. Yeah, just show
[01:47] No, actually, you know what I'm gonna do I'm gonna send I'm gonna talk shit and hope that arrives before I do
[01:52] We'll see how it goes
[01:54] Okay, so when I show up we can fight
[01:57] We could fight no matter what man. Don't worry about it. Yeah, don't worry about that
[02:03] Like I said, I'm gonna run away and wear the MIT headgear. Yeah, Joey and harden coming after you
[02:11] Yeah, you were that a headgear leaving your your
[02:14] soft body wide open
[02:17] It's getting softer and softer my friend
[02:22] All right, man, I think we should do an under Google and then get the heck out of here
[02:27] Okay, I got a I got a couple good ones for you
[02:45] Super excited told us we had to
[02:50] We signed up for it in the end it's gonna be better and more true than Google can give you the writing's on the wall
[03:02] When do we think that came about why do we think that's the thing? What do we think it means?
[03:07] era
[03:09] Meaning as we do on this show the writing is on the wall
[03:16] So definition is as I understand it essentially it's
[03:21] That you can see the conditions are in a way that something is going to happen, right? That's it
[03:30] Something's gonna happen and you can tell what it is by
[03:35] Almost almost obvious. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it may be predetermined
[03:40] But also very clear that this is gonna happen because the writing's on the wall
[03:46] Yeah, so my first thought would be
[03:52] Graffiti and the people who made that up. I think were the ancient Greeks
[03:58] Okay
[03:59] All right. So what were the ancient Greeks going with graffiti? They were the same thing that we're still doing with graffiti lots of dissent
[04:06] Yeah, okay. So
[04:09] Yeah, we got a lot of people writing stuff publicly on walls
[04:13] Maybe the at that point the conclusion becomes foregone
[04:19] Okay, so it's clear that the government's gonna be overthrown or somebody's gonna be out or right?
[04:26] They're making clear their political dissent on the wall. Correct. Yeah, there was actually quite stable governance for the most part
[04:33] But obviously democratic so people were in and out often
[04:40] Now so
[04:42] What form would that have taken back then I mean, this is not a spray paint can clearly
[04:46] I mean, are we are we are we carving things with stone? Do we have paint?
[04:51] People just lugging around pay cans
[04:57] Well, I think
[04:59] Krylon probably is the
[05:01] Yeah one we would expect. Yeah
[05:04] You got a tag stuff, right?
[05:07] exactly
[05:08] I mean, I think you'd have paints in that area. I would believe right. Yeah, sure
[05:14] or some some sort of some sort of
[05:17] You know paint paint like and that's how they made the the Grecian urns and stuff. Mm-hmm. Oh to a Grecian urn or
[05:27] Something like that something like that
[05:30] So do we think the well, so that's graffiti. Do we think the the phrase itself?
[05:36] so I guess do you think the phrase itself is from
[05:40] Something similar to back then or yeah, so he's going political protest back in Greece. I'm going old old school
[05:46] That's what Harper's going with. Okay
[05:49] Well, you think the phrase itself is also like that old?
[05:53] Okay in
[05:55] Latin Grecian
[05:58] Whatever the language is. Yeah Greek was a language. I think Greek. Yeah, it seems like Grecian
[06:06] Yeah, yeah, yeah
[06:08] Quite prolific playwrights back then so
[06:12] It may have made may have made it in I don't know and
[06:16] And modern English, I don't know probably. Oh, we definitely interpreted all that stuff. Whatever, right?
[06:24] Well, so that's the interesting thing, right? So we weren't able to understand ancient Greece
[06:31] For ancient Greek for quite some quite some time
[06:35] So it may have that that
[06:41] Yeah, there there may be other other explanations here for sure
[06:46] Joey, what do you think?
[06:48] Writing is on the wall. We're seeing this coming. We know it's it's about to happen. It's almost predetermined. It's very obvious
[06:56] Yeah, I mean I liked it. I like that for the graffiti. I mean, that's where you you know, literally see rightly writing on walls
[07:03] And I think that's very literal is what you're saying
[07:06] I mean, I think that yeah the I think that the root to me that that does sound pretty literal
[07:12] I mean we see all sorts of stuff that I mean that not that I not a quibble with it
[07:16] But just you know, we definitely do see things, you know written on walls that are you know
[07:23] Not that we have not seen come to fruition like I've seen a lot of stuff in in graffiti in
[07:29] Like bar bathrooms that I don't think it's true. I'm gonna say it
[07:34] Did I ever ever tell you my favorite graffiti ever in a bar bathroom? Yeah
[07:41] this was that oh
[07:44] gosh was a cooter Browns in New Orleans and
[07:48] When you went to the bathroom
[07:51] Somebody had written my wife follows me everywhere and this is in the men's bathroom and then underneath somebody else wrote. No, I don't
[08:01] That's solid work by some strong people. Yeah
[08:08] So, yeah, maybe that's all it's about then don't want to guess Shakespeare or something
[08:13] Yeah, no, no. No, I think it's got to be a little bit separated from that. I think it's not that odd
[08:18] I don't think it's graffiti. I don't think it's people actually writing on walls
[08:23] I think it's going to be a little bit different and
[08:29] I think
[08:31] I'm gonna say that it is
[08:34] science lab related and there's a big whiteboard and
[08:44] So you literally written on the wall on a on the wall
[08:50] Just in a science lab
[08:53] And the answer is in there somewhere, but we don't see it yet
[08:59] Okay
[09:00] That's what I'm going. So you're going
[09:03] What time period I'm going with the
[09:07] 30s the you think whiteboards were invented in
[09:13] Okay, okay
[09:16] Chuck board walls in the 1930s
[09:19] More okay, or could be it could be a an overhead projector to that
[09:26] And the answer is there somewhere we just don't have it I
[09:30] Think that that makes the phrase slightly more interesting, right?
[09:34] It's like it's not so obvious that the writing's on the wall
[09:38] Even though the whole thing about the phrase is that it's obvious. So whatever you're welcome team
[09:44] What do we got and I think it's we know that another thing I may be
[09:49] From Pink Floyd it may be from there. Yeah
[09:52] Yeah, what about the Great Wall? What about Trump's wall? I mean these things could all be a part of this
[10:00] Well, the Great Wall was built Trump's wall wasn't so
[10:04] Hey, you know what? I don't come to this basketball podcast to hear your politics Joey. It's not politics. It's just you know
[10:15] Just the truth
[10:18] They built like sections of it, but it's you know functional
[10:22] All right. So according to idioms online
[10:29] This idiom comes from the biblical story of belshazar's feast Daniel 5
[10:34] 5 through 31 in which in the presence of the king a disembodied hand appears and writes on the palace wall
[10:41] The king frightened called for astrologers
[10:45] Chaldeans and soothsayers and offered rewards to whoever could interpret the writing and did anybody was anybody able to do it?
[10:56] You haven't read that come on
[10:59] So, I'm sorry, I guess I could pull out my Bible and check
[11:05] Let's see none of the wise men could read the messages of the Queen suggested
[11:08] He called Daniel and whom is the spirit of the holy gods and in the days of thy
[11:13] Father light and understanding and wisdom like the wisdom of the gods was found in him and whom the father's King King Nebuchadnezzar
[11:20] Had become Beth or belt issues are and I'm seeing here that the phrase that was written was numbered
[11:32] Wade and they are divided
[11:34] Is that annual and interpret that as pointing to the downfall of the Babylonian Empire?
[11:42] From according to the book of Daniel. It is a portent of doom
[11:48] cool
[11:50] Biblical so there's there's a disembodied hand that they went with
[11:56] It's the Bible. Yeah, that's the most magical thing that happens in the Bible. I
[12:00] Mean, I'm just saying if I was gonna tell the story
[12:05] I probably wouldn't like make it it would just have like that the chalk right on the wall without a hand there
[12:10] Look Harry Potter
[12:13] What like
[12:14] The Bible is not it's not it's not an entertainment. You know, it's I disagree. Yeah
[12:22] This is the whole reason we we for generations we set our own campfires and needed a story about our people's
[12:29] Entertain me Joey
[12:31] Make me okay. Look you can teach me something, but I better be goddamn entertained. Yeah, okay
[12:38] Amazingly, it was considered entertainment. I've tried to read that thing
[12:43] boy
[12:45] disembodied hand
[12:46] Was the name of my masturbation in high school? I don't know
[12:50] That didn't work just nope
[12:53] Let's see didn't work
[12:58] Disembodied hand was the name of my girlfriend in high school. That's better. That's closer
[13:04] I like the audience can't see it
[13:10] But I love it whenever you're on a bit you get super close to the mic
[13:13] I love it. I love it when I get the lean in I know some greatness is about that
[13:18] And it's funny cuz that's when I lean away from my computer
[13:23] We're getting there. Yeah, I am finding I'm finding a little bit of maybe a put an alternative one
[13:30] It says we don't need no education
[13:34] We don't need no thought control
[13:36] No, dark sarcasm in the classroom teacher
[13:40] Leave them kids alone. And so that was from Nebuchadnezzar
[13:44] in
[13:46] In Daniel six, so the next Oh Daniel six. Okay. Yeah, this is the next chapter
[13:52] All-in-all you're just another brick in the wall
[13:56] So I have the good news is we got the time period about right we're talking, you know
[14:01] circa
[14:02] 540 BC ish
[14:05] For sure. Yeah. Nice work, buddy. I think you nailed it
[14:11] Of course dog. I've written down way later, but
[14:14] Right. Well, that's the nature of the Bible
[14:18] But we'll say it's all exactly true and that's how it happened and we nailed it. Mm-hmm
[14:23] And shout out to Daniel five
[14:26] All the other things out there
[14:28] Yeah, Daniel five and the other one I like is Johnny five. I like that guy Johnny. Mm-hmm. Yeah
[14:35] Shout out is alive
[14:39] That was not a very good impression of a robot nope, he's alive no, that's not a good
[14:48] That's my brother robot Harper, what's up with your boys?
[14:55] I've seen the classic short-circuit skin like 1985 skin loopy. It's laid out there. Yeah. Yeah
[15:08] There's an upside-down bottle of loopy