Episode 160 · October 1, 2022
How Does This Get Back to Horse Racing?
The hosts try to figure out where "off the cuff" comes from and land on a Charlie Chaplin film.
“Fun fact. It's off the cuff. Off the lamp.” (07:56)
Questions
Where does the phrase "off the cuff" come from? (01:05)
Our guess
Magicians pulling items from their sleeves, tailoring (the cuff being the only visible part of the shirt), or an orator's notes from Victorian England.
Magicians pulling items from their sleeves, tailoring (the cuff being the only visible part of the shirt), or an orator's notes from Victorian England.
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The answer
It is American, from around 1938, and refers to a speaker reading from notes jotted on his shirt cuff instead of memorizing, with detachable paper cuffs in the 1800s. It is popularly associated with Charlie Chaplin's Modern Times, where his character writes lyrics on his cuffs.
It is American, from around 1938, and refers to a speaker reading from notes jotted on his shirt cuff instead of memorizing, with detachable paper cuffs in the 1800s. It is popularly associated with Charlie Chaplin's Modern Times, where his character writes lyrics on his cuffs.
Verdict partly
Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] Coalson, do you have an Undo Google Bowl for us this week? I think we can, I'm in a [00:06] mood to be helpful. I've been, you know, pessimistic here for the last, I don't know, [00:10] show and a half. I want to bring some joy into the world, what you got for me? [00:15] Oh, we do an Undo Google Bowls? That was the play of Super Excited. [00:32] You told us we had to. [00:34] You said we signed up for it. In the end, it's going to be better and more true than Google can give you. [00:44] So this week I'd like to start with the off-the-cuff. Where's the phrase off-the-cuff come from? [00:53] What does it mean? When did it come about? Off-the-cuff. [00:59] Off-the-cuff meaning like typically referring to a remark, an off-the-cuff remark. [01:05] Yeah. [01:07] It's like not planned. [01:09] Yes. I think of it that way as sort of an unplanned interaction, usually verbal. [01:20] And quick sort of, I guess, right? Or like some connotation of quickness to it, maybe. [01:26] Yeah, and you can kind of, something you can dismiss a little bit. [01:30] Oh, that was just off-the-cuff. [01:32] Good call. [01:36] So my mind goes to two things, which are magicians and gunslingers that might do something off-the-cuff. [01:46] Where they would throw something at you off-the-cuff. [01:50] Or ninjas. [01:52] Yeah, ninjas. [01:54] Throwing stars off-the-cuff. [01:57] Yeah, it felt British to me anytime we're talking about clothing. [02:03] So I would lean towards magicians out of those two. [02:10] Okay. Yeah, maybe like a car dealer. [02:14] Well, we've talked about this before. Magicians were like the TV of the 1800s, so everybody went to see the magicians. [02:22] Is that where you would pull a card out of your cuff or something like that for the trick? [02:27] Something like that, yeah. Like things are going sideways in your act, so you're like, [02:32] let me pull this flower out of my cuff, just to get that audience back on your side. [02:38] Okay. I don't know. [02:40] But then the phrase would be out of my cuff. [02:42] Yeah, sure. [02:46] What about a cuff link? Is this involved in a cuff link? [02:49] That's a good question. [02:51] Is that what you pull off your cuff, cuff link? [02:58] Yeah, maybe to like, if you didn't have money to pay a debt, you'd give your cuff link. [03:04] Shiny thing to distract people? [03:06] Or throw at them. [03:10] Like a Chinese. [03:12] Like a Chinese stuff. [03:14] Like a ninja. [03:21] Did you have any theories? Cuff links? [03:24] No, I don't at all. This is why I come to you guys. [03:28] Joey, I feel like we haven't quite nailed down the definition, because you mentioned something that was able to be dismissed. [03:40] Not just an off-the-cuff remark was kind of what Jason and I were going with. [03:47] And you were like, ah, you could just, if it's off the cuff, it's less important. [03:53] No, I mean, I guess maybe something that was not given much thought. [04:00] Okay. [04:01] Maybe that's what I need. Maybe more that way. [04:03] Yeah. [04:05] So it's kind of the last second thing. [04:09] With little preparation kind of thing. [04:13] A little forethought. [04:15] Well, sometimes I feel like you hear those when it's like maybe, like in an interview maybe, [04:21] maybe a lot of it, maybe much of it seems like pretty controlled and scripted, [04:26] but then you'll hear like an off-the-cuff remark, which is like something just like, oh, [04:30] something like, just quickly like, oh, just kind of throw it in there, kind of thing. [04:34] Just a little extra thing that's just sort of like a little... [04:37] Well, that makes me think of sort of orators, whatever. [04:41] Like if you've written a speech and you're reading this stuff, this scripted stuff, [04:47] and then you think of something and it's not on your card, it's off the cuff. [04:55] I don't know. [04:56] So if you're tailoring something, if you're tailoring a suit, [05:01] the only part of the undershirt that would be visible is the cuff, right? [05:06] So everything else presumably would require less attention, perhaps, [05:12] if it's off the cuff and not visible. [05:15] Mm, I see. [05:17] So the rest of the shirt is off the cuff. [05:19] Potentially. [05:22] Like the sleeves, you mean? [05:24] Mm-hmm. [05:25] Okay. [05:26] So if there were imperfections there, it would not be as noticeable. [05:32] Mm, okay. [05:34] That's interesting. [05:35] I like that a lot. [05:36] I think tailoring is rarely the answer, but I like it. [05:39] Yeah, how does this get back to horse racing? [05:41] Yeah, that's what I was going to say. [05:43] So if you think it's English, I'm inclined to side with you on that. [05:49] What era are we talking? [05:51] Like this is Victorian or sooner? [05:55] I like Victorian. [05:56] Many people have cuffs. [05:57] Yeah. [05:58] I mean, yeah, they definitely had cuffs in the Victorian era, for sure. [06:02] Doily cuffs, I feel like. [06:06] Yeah. [06:07] Real weird cuffs, puffy cuffs. [06:09] Yeah. [06:11] Fisticuffs. [06:14] Mm. [06:15] What about fisticuffs? [06:17] And then, so, okay, so it's not Shakespeare. [06:23] It's probably later than that. [06:25] This is like a Dickens thing or something. [06:28] Yeah, it's newer. [06:30] Okay. [06:31] I'm feeling Shakespeare. [06:35] No, you think it goes back to Shakespeare. [06:37] Yeah, I do. [06:40] We haven't had Shakespeare hasn't won. [06:42] Yeah, we haven't had Shakespeare in a while. [06:43] I like Shakespeare. [06:46] And we're just saying that it's either... [06:48] If it's magicians, it's later, of course. [06:50] But if it's speech-giving, that could definitely go in with Shakespeare. [06:55] Because it didn't have magicians when Shakespeare was around? [06:58] What was the... [06:59] When did magicians go back to the beginning of the time? [07:01] I mean, their big heyday was the, you know, early 1800s. [07:07] I mean, 1800s. [07:09] Golden everywhere. [07:11] That's right. [07:12] That's right. [07:13] But I'm thinking, I really do like the orator in a play, maybe, with their lines. [07:19] Ah, okay, yes. [07:20] And they forget their lines, and they have to pull something off their cuff. [07:25] Or pull their cuff up to where they wrote it down on their wrist. [07:34] So, this is just for no reason at all. [07:38] But, you know, the soap operas, they write the script the day before they actually do them. [07:45] They crank these soap operas out. [07:46] And so, apparently, in any set in a soap opera, there's just lines taped to the other side of a lamp [07:52] and the other side of a stuff, because no one has time to memorize their lines. [07:56] Fun fact. [07:59] It's off the cuff. [08:01] Off the lamp. [08:03] The first hit I got suggested that it was 1938 American English colloquial suggesting an actor [08:11] or speaker reading from notes jotted on his shirt sleeve rather than learning lines. [08:16] So, Coalson would have been right, but American and not English. [08:21] But let's try to back that up. [08:22] That's from Quora. [08:24] Ooh, boy. [08:25] All right. [08:26] I don't know if this is right or wrong, but this is giving Charlie Chaplin the credit. [08:32] Are you seeing this? [08:33] I'm seeing it as well. [08:36] And Charlie Chaplin's classic film Modern Times featured a scene where Chaplin's tramp [08:41] writes lyrics on his shirt cuffs only to have them go flying off once he hits the stage, [08:46] leaving him to improvise to hilarious effect. [08:50] And Chaplin starts a story with an idea that works out each scene as it comes along. [08:58] Famously improvisational? Improvisational. [09:05] There you go. [09:07] All right. [09:08] Charlie Chaplin for the win. [09:09] That's pretty dope. [09:11] Nice. [09:12] Ever had Charlie Chaplin win before? [09:13] No. [09:15] He was due. [09:16] Right? [09:17] Yeah, for sure. [09:19] Yeah. [09:22] Jeez. [09:23] Disposable cuffs were a thing, apparently. [09:26] Or detachable. [09:27] Oh, yeah, they used to have those weird little paper thingies. [09:31] All right. [09:32] All right. [09:33] There you go. [09:35] You're welcome. [09:38] Yeah, I'm reading some more stuff that, yeah, they're paper removable cuffs. [09:45] Might have been an origin for it in the 1800s, but it's definitely popularized by [09:52] Charlie Chaplin. [09:54] You could write notes on your removable cuffs. [10:00] But again, I'm just on chat boards at this point. [10:04] I mean, that makes more sense than writing notes on your finely tailored shirt. [10:09] Yes, yes, yes, it definitely does. [10:14] I just have a few words I just want to remember for my speech. [10:18] My really nice shirt. [10:20] That's all a little weird, the wear paper, but, you know, 1800s, you know? [10:24] Right. [10:26] Well, nicely done, gentlemen, as always. [10:30] I feel like we sort of nailed it. [10:33] Yeah. [10:34] Yeah. [10:35] That's par for the course.