Pure Passion Project

[00:00] What else can I solve for you?
[00:03] Why do we throw things under the bus?
[00:07] Oh, that's a good question.
[00:09] We should ask Paul George, because he's the kid.
[00:15] Because he's an expert at that.
[00:20] But why would that be a thing?
[00:22] Why is that a phrase?
[00:24] In what situation are we throwing things under the bus?
[00:26] The only thing I could think of was
[00:31] when you get on a cross-country bus, the bottoms flip up,
[00:35] and you can throw your bags in there.
[00:37] So you're throwing something under the bus.
[00:40] But that doesn't connect to leaving someone out to hang
[00:45] or to dry or whatever, in the sense that.
[00:48] Right.
[00:49] The idea being that you're passing the buck in a way.
[00:52] You're blaming somebody else.
[00:54] You're blaming somebody else.
[00:55] For the outcome.
[00:58] Yeah, I was just going to go full mob and say,
[01:01] somebody pushed somebody in front of a bus one time.
[01:05] So they couldn't testify.
[01:08] So you're saying this is very literal, then?
[01:10] I mean, I always thought of it very literally.
[01:13] Yeah.
[01:14] I think I have, too, the idea that like, oh, whoops.
[01:19] It's a good way to have an accident that you blame
[01:24] the other guy.
[01:25] I mean, the idea of stepping off the curb
[01:28] and getting hit by a bus and that.
[01:32] And because you never know what's
[01:33] going to happen in your life.
[01:35] But also, as a mob guy, you could be like, hey,
[01:37] you never know, you might step off a curb
[01:39] and get hit by a bus.
[01:40] You know, hey, oh, that's my Joe Pesci, I guess.
[01:44] That's Joe Pesci?
[01:48] Am I funny to you?
[01:49] Am I a clown?
[01:52] Why don't you step off a curb and get hit by a bus?
[01:55] You know, oh, I don't know.
[01:57] It's my, yeah.
[02:00] Throw somebody under the bus.
[02:03] What would you like?
[02:04] Because like throwing somebody is another thing.
[02:06] It's not you got pushed into a bus.
[02:10] You know, you didn't get pushed.
[02:13] You didn't get kicked into a bus.
[02:15] Yeah, because I feel like part of the connotation
[02:17] is that we're all on the bus together.
[02:20] We're a team, and you're getting thrown off the bus
[02:23] and underneath it, kind of.
[02:25] You're getting moved to lower quarters, maybe,
[02:30] or something like that.
[02:31] I don't know if that's it.
[02:32] So like a keel-haul situation?
[02:35] Perhaps, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:38] What about, so is this a school bus?
[02:42] Like where the nerdy kid gets thrown out the window
[02:45] and gets rolled over?
[02:47] Hmm.
[02:49] Does it matter what kind of bus it is?
[02:52] I think it does.
[02:53] I mean, when I get hit by a bus, I almost never
[02:55] care what kind of bus it is.
[02:57] No, I mean, is it a cross-country bus?
[02:59] Is it a city bus?
[03:00] It hurts the same every time.
[03:03] I'm just wondering where the, like, so I feel like,
[03:06] what's the first bus?
[03:07] Is it from the double-decker buses?
[03:09] Really?
[03:10] Oh, here we go.
[03:12] And then you're getting thrown.
[03:14] Yeah, to the bottom.
[03:15] You're not allowed to be with the company,
[03:16] so you go underneath.
[03:17] Maybe you've made a scene.
[03:18] You've flashed somebody on the top,
[03:23] and you have to go below deck.
[03:25] That's the punishment for flashing people in England?
[03:28] Yeah, or like maybe like original double-decker buses,
[03:32] maybe they didn't have windows on the bottom.
[03:33] You know, like the train cars sometimes,
[03:36] there's double-decker train cars,
[03:37] and the bottom ones are like,
[03:40] you don't have as good a window kind of thing.
[03:41] There's no windows?
[03:42] So it's just like a hot box?
[03:45] What's going on?
[03:46] Windows were probably expensive back in the day, right?
[03:49] I mean, windows are expensive now.
[03:51] Right, they're getting more expensive for sure.
[03:53] Expensive and heavy.
[03:57] I do like, I kind of like this double-decker idea,
[04:00] but you're not under the bus.
[04:05] Maybe you get thrown in the luggage compartment,
[04:08] like that was your?
[04:10] Punishment, okay, okay.
[04:11] So, because I was thinking like,
[04:13] that's a thing you throw,
[04:14] you throw baggage under the bus,
[04:16] but I just don't, I just can't connect that to,
[04:21] all right, so I think,
[04:22] so if we think it's the mob stuff,
[04:25] what era is that?
[04:26] We're talking about the 1920s.
[04:28] When do we have buses?
[04:29] Do we have, so we have, when do we have cars?
[04:31] We have cars like 1910.
[04:35] Yeah.
[04:36] What is the mob?
[04:37] 90s.
[04:38] Yeah, because there's a car like 1907 or something.
[04:42] Yeah, 1940 probably.
[04:44] But do we have buses by the 25,
[04:48] 1925 maybe?
[04:53] 30. Good question.
[04:54] Let's say the 30s.
[04:55] 30s is when we got buses?
[04:57] Sure.
[04:58] Okay.
[05:00] That could still be, that's prime mob time.
[05:04] I mean, is there a not prime mob time?
[05:09] I feel like it's been like a high plateau for the mob
[05:12] for like a long time.
[05:14] They're doing all right.
[05:15] Yeah.
[05:18] I mean, the only reason why a human being
[05:21] would go underneath the bus,
[05:22] you would think would be sheer hiding, right?
[05:28] And like the only situation where I could-
[05:30] Like voluntarily.
[05:31] Yeah.
[05:32] You mean?
[05:32] Potentially.
[05:35] And so-
[05:36] Like maybe you get on the bus
[05:38] and you don't have a ticket,
[05:40] but instead of tossing you off the bus,
[05:44] you're like, all right,
[05:45] just throw you in the luggage compartment.
[05:47] I don't know.
[05:48] No, that's not-
[05:49] Instead of stopping the bus.
[05:50] No, I like it.
[05:51] I like it.
[05:58] What if it's like a mechanic thing, right?
[06:01] So buses are so long that you can't like,
[06:04] you just, you need somebody to toss you
[06:08] down into the middle of the under section of the bus.
[06:13] Like, you know, you put you on a little pla-
[06:15] You know, the little rolly pat
[06:17] and somebody's got to throw you under the bus
[06:19] because it's not like a car where you can just like-
[06:21] It does sound like a really fun game.
[06:22] That would be like a good thing.
[06:23] That would be like a helpful.
[06:24] Right.
[06:25] I'm going to throw you under the bus.
[06:27] Yeah.
[06:28] Tell me about how you say it, right?
[06:32] All right, so yeah.
[06:33] So we're thinking it's the mob.
[06:35] Okay, mob in 1930s.
[06:37] I was maybe 50s.
[06:39] And I'm going with your,
[06:42] it's something about throwing luggage
[06:46] into the luggage compartment
[06:47] in the 50s.
[06:50] Okay.
[06:51] I still can't make the connection,
[06:52] but that's what I'm going with.
[06:54] Well, so this is bizarre.
[06:55] So according to Wikipedia,
[06:57] the earliest known usage of this phrase
[07:00] was 21 June, 1982,
[07:03] when Julian Critchley of the Times of London
[07:07] wrote of President Gouty Harry
[07:13] was pushed under the bus,
[07:15] which Gossips had said
[07:17] was the only means of her removal.
[07:19] Like, that's a really weird way
[07:21] to deploy a completely new idiom.
[07:24] That's why.
[07:25] Where'd you find that?
[07:26] This is under a straight up Wiki page.
[07:30] No, yeah.
[07:31] Merriam-Webster echoes that.
[07:34] 82?
[07:36] This has been in the vernacular longer than that.
[07:38] Okay, so Merriam-Webster says
[07:40] that the earliest written record
[07:43] was in 1980
[07:45] in reference to a British politician.
[07:48] Yeah, it definitely seems like this
[07:49] goes to like Parliament in Britain.
[07:51] Yep, so that's what I'm seeing too.
[07:52] And this thing,
[07:54] this is a fairly recent addition to the vernacular.
[07:57] It looks like the 1980s.
[08:05] Apparently, according to Merriam-Webster,
[08:08] it has also been attributed
[08:10] to minor league baseball,
[08:11] Cindy Lauper,
[08:13] the slang use of car salesmen,
[08:15] slang of used car salesmen,
[08:17] and various other improbable sources.
[08:20] So I will say that the,
[08:21] I've run across the Cindy Lauper.
[08:25] That's actually a wrongly quoted thing.
[08:28] It was actually David Rimmick writing about Cindy Lauper.
[08:32] The line was in the rock and roll business,
[08:34] you were either on the bus or under it.
[08:36] Again, not clear whether you're actually being rolled over
[08:39] by that bad boy or just stuck in the luggage compartment.
[08:41] I'm gonna assume being rolled over,
[08:43] but that's just what I always thought.
[08:45] And that was from 1984 as well.
[08:50] So I'm seeing a 1980 look both ways
[08:53] before crossing the straighter,
[08:54] you might be under it,
[08:56] which sounds like a threat from the mob to me.
[09:00] Or a helpful warning to children.
[09:03] Right.
[09:07] Yeah, that's quite strange.
[09:09] So recent.
[09:12] Well, it's not even strange that this is that recent,
[09:14] it just seems to have just appeared from nowhere.
[09:17] This is like random.
[09:18] Yeah.
[09:20] The phrase's origin is uncertain,
[09:22] but it likely got its start in British politics
[09:24] where the phrase, quote, under a bus
[09:27] was already in use as a metaphor
[09:29] for misfortune or a conveniently timed accident.
[09:33] Okay, now we're talking.
[09:35] That's something.
[09:36] That makes sense.
[09:38] If under the bus was already a phrase,
[09:42] then you could throw somebody into that space.
[09:44] But the earliest record we have of that is 1980.
[09:50] Some still pin their hopes on the quote,
[09:53] under the bus, unquote theory
[09:55] that Mr. Foote being forced by ill health, yeah.
[09:58] Quiz, man.
[09:58] That's super strange.
[10:01] No, it's very interesting.
[10:02] It seems to suggest an untimely accident and a betrayal,
[10:05] and it has all this connotation, but it just.
[10:09] But straight from the beginning, but no direct line.
[10:12] Yeah, we somehow infused it with that from the start,
[10:14] but it's like very strange.
[10:17] Oh, I've got a fun article.
[10:19] How to avoid throwing someone under the bus.
[10:23] Don't make assumptions.
[10:25] Keep honest.
[10:26] Hold yourself accountable.
[10:28] Those are the three answers.
[10:30] Well, this is all your fault, so.
[10:33] Wait a second.
[10:39] All right.
[10:40] Yeah, it's the magic of the game.
[10:42] Why does that?
[10:43] I thought that would be like, that's just like weird.
[10:47] That's very interesting to me.
[10:49] This has come up since we were alive.
[10:52] This is a phrase that's like coming
[10:54] to the parlance during our lifetime.
[10:59] I don't think we've ever gone through an undoable.
[11:02] That's what the case went for, you know?
[11:06] No, we're old.
[11:07] You're right.
[11:08] Thanks for.
[11:09] We just got old is what happened.
[11:11] Maybe what just happened.
[11:13] Damn it.
[11:16] I think I just threw you guys under the bus
[11:17] by saying you're old.
[11:19] You're probably not as old as us.
[11:22] Even if you are.
[11:24] Does Coalson have another rant in him?
[11:28] On Twitter?
[11:30] Definitely.
[11:31] I have another rant.
[11:32] You're trying to close me out.
[11:36] What do you mean?
[11:37] You can't throw me under the bus.
[11:38] I want to mention, Jason, that.
[11:44] Oh, you're right, sorry.
[11:45] Oh, what are you sorry about?
[11:46] Don't apologize for being bad at your job.
[11:49] I threw you under the bus for this.
[11:51] Not effectively enough, I would say.
[11:55] So, apparently, and this is how good we are
[11:59] at keeping up on our own press,
[12:02] that we got a review.
[12:05] I mean, I don't have a review.
[12:06] We got some notice in the Indianapolis Monthly,
[12:09] which is a magazine that comes out monthly, I assume.
[12:12] What's a magazine again?
[12:15] I don't know, but I think it's also online.
[12:17] If it's anything like us, semi-weekly or monthly
[12:21] means that it comes up occasionally.
[12:23] Whenever it wants to.
[12:25] Yeah.
[12:26] I'm so this is, this article is back in April
[12:30] and we just discovered this because Jason's wife
[12:34] apparently reads the Indianapolis Monthly
[12:37] from nine months ago.
[12:38] I don't know how she found this, but thank God.
[12:41] She's maybe Googling us.
[12:43] Is that what she's doing?
[12:44] Shout out to Jill.
[12:45] Yes, yes, she Googles us on her regular.
[12:47] Nice, shout out to Jill.
[12:49] So, this is an article on Indiana's hoop obsession
[12:54] in podcast form.
[12:56] It mentions the podcasts that talk about the Pacers,
[13:00] Indie Corn Rose locked on Pacers,
[13:03] the Fieldhouse files, which I've never heard of,
[13:05] so I should probably look it up.
[13:06] The Paceroos, which I assume doesn't exist anymore.
[13:11] I don't know.
[13:11] They're from Australia, which is cool.
[13:14] No, I don't know.
[13:15] You had three of the Paceroos.
[13:17] No, no.
[13:19] Good day, mate.
[13:20] I'm sure you're great.
[13:22] I should check you out.
[13:23] But the Undebeatables, here's our snippet
[13:27] from the Indianapolis Monthly,
[13:29] hosted by four Indiana natives,
[13:31] now spread out across the country.
[13:35] True, they must have listened to at least the intro.
[13:38] The Undebeatables is a pure passion project
[13:41] from a group of truly hardcore Pacer fans.
[13:43] They actually must have listened to a couple episodes
[13:45] to know that we make no money on this.
[13:49] And then it says,
[13:51] it excels at conjuring the amiable hangout vibes
[13:54] native to podcasting itself.
[13:59] I just, I feel, I'm not sure what that's saying,
[14:03] except that we talk on the phone to each other
[14:05] and then like put it out there.
[14:07] It's not really, it's not a bad review,
[14:11] but it's a review of like a fact,
[14:14] which is we talk like people talk on podcasts,
[14:19] which I guess is good.
[14:21] I don't know.
[14:22] I think it's compliment.
[14:24] I think it's, they're saying, yeah,
[14:27] this is the OG version of the form.
[14:30] Okay, it does excel at conjuring the hangout.
[14:34] Bruce Kingston, we're doing podcasts.
[14:35] More like this, we're doing podcasts.
[14:38] Actually, you know what I think it's,
[14:39] I think what it's saying is they haven't gotten better.
[14:42] I think it's probably what it's saying.
[14:44] They picked up podcasting when podcasting was just a thing
[14:51] and they're still doing it just like they used to.
[14:54] That's probably what that says.
[14:56] But I would like to shout out In-N-Apps Monthly
[14:59] and Jason's lovely wife, Jill,
[15:02] who brought this to my attention
[15:03] because it's the only time I think
[15:06] I've ever been in a magazine.
[15:08] The pace of ruse, by the way,
[15:11] the rumors of their demise greatly exaggerated.
[15:14] Okay, do they have way more?
[15:17] As of before, and we're tweeting today.
[15:21] So Coalson, when you learn how to tweet,
[15:23] you miss them because you don't know how to tweet.
[15:26] I'm gonna throw another shrimp on the bobby.
[15:31] Pace of ruse.
[15:34] And then we threw an entire continent under the bobby
[15:37] as possible.