Episode 148 · July 9, 2022
Half Crown
Prompted by a wife's question, the hosts trace birthday celebrations from the pharaohs to Greek candles and Roman cakes.
“Always be yourself unless you can be Terry Taylor.” (13:15)
Questions
When and why did we start celebrating birthdays? (03:22)
Our guess
Ancient Egypt's pharaohs, maybe the Romans or Greeks, as a feast day for elites.
Ancient Egypt's pharaohs, maybe the Romans or Greeks, as a feast day for elites.
Reveal the answer
The answer
The earliest reference is to a pharaoh's birthday (Genesis 40; pharaohs were thought to become gods when crowned). The Greeks added candles for the moon goddess Artemis, and the Romans were first to celebrate commoners (a cake for men turning 50). Candles were thought to ward off evil spirits.
The earliest reference is to a pharaoh's birthday (Genesis 40; pharaohs were thought to become gods when crowned). The Greeks added candles for the moon goddess Artemis, and the Romans were first to celebrate commoners (a cake for men turning 50). Candles were thought to ward off evil spirits.
Verdict right
Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] Straight to video. [00:01] Straight to video. [00:02] All right. [00:03] Yep. [00:04] Only for our premium membership. [00:05] Oh, yes. [00:06] That's what you get. [00:09] You know what? [00:10] Maybe we should make video mandatory unless you pay money. [00:16] I like it. [00:17] I think that'll work. [00:18] We're going to punish the listeners. [00:20] Yep. [00:21] Making viewers. [00:24] That's what you get. [00:25] We doing under Googles. [00:26] That was the play of Super Excited. [00:42] Super Excited. [00:43] You told us we had to, sir. [00:45] You said we signed up for it. [00:50] In the end, it's going to be better and more true than Google can give you. [00:55] All right. [00:56] This stat of the week is coming in from a listener. [00:59] Joyce, last name withheld. [01:03] Joey, stat of the week. [01:07] Sent a message in. [01:10] This one is about Pacer Terry Taylor. [01:18] Earlier in the season, I hadn't heard this story. [01:21] Earlier in the season, after the game, Carlisle was asked about Terry Taylor. [01:28] He said that he commended the analytics director, Spencer Anderson, for finding Taylor from, [01:36] whatever school he was from, and bringing him to Indiana. [01:40] Of course, he went to Austin Peay. [01:44] Austin Peay responded by making some merchandise that says, on the front, it has their logo. [01:51] They're the governors, but it has their logo. [01:54] Then it says, real big on the front, it says, whatever school Terry Taylor is from. [02:01] So Terry Taylor wore that coming into one of the games, and they sent one to Rick Carlisle as well. [02:10] So he said he has it in his office. [02:12] That's fantastic. [02:13] Yeah, which is pretty funny. [02:15] It is a smaller school, but shout out to Austin Peay for having a little fun with that. [02:21] Carlisle, eat a little crow on that. [02:25] So you can buy them on the internet, or definitely at the home games. [02:32] They're selling them at the stadium, but if you're not going to Austin Peay home games, [02:37] and the season's over anyway, then it looks like there's some online. [02:41] But it's fun. [02:42] I think that's good stuff. [02:43] Thank you, listener. [02:45] Joyce. [02:47] Jason, do you have any more questions that we can help you out with? [02:50] Man, I got a whole list here. [02:52] So if you want to do more, we can do more. [02:55] This one comes courtesy of my lovely wife Jill, who asked what I thought was a simple question. [03:07] I was like, why would we ever do that? [03:08] But then she ended up Googling it, and apparently it's very interesting. [03:11] So I want us to figure out what is the origin of birthday celebrations. [03:18] Why do we celebrate birthdays? [03:19] When did we start celebrating birthdays? [03:22] Why do they take the shape that they do now with cakes and candles and all that good stuff? [03:32] What do you guys think? [03:36] My original thinking was, of course you would celebrate birthdays. [03:40] Once you know what a year is, and you can keep track of dates, [03:45] of course you would celebrate a birthday. [03:47] I'd have thought the same. [03:50] But I don't know. [03:52] So when do we start keeping track of people's birthdays? [03:58] Like the Mayans had calendars and stuff like that. [04:01] They would have kept track of things. [04:05] Even further back, the Mesopotamians. [04:09] I'm sure the Mesopotamians, I mean, they made beer. [04:11] I'm sure they figured out how to track the sun. [04:17] The Mesopotamians. [04:22] It seems likely to me that probably, like all things, [04:28] technology is hoarded by those at the top of the social order as it comes to be. [04:35] So it's likely that the only people who were really tracking down to the day [04:42] were probably elite. [04:44] So you're probably celebrating your ruler. [04:47] Okay, okay. [04:49] Or like the royal family or whatever. [04:54] That makes sense. [04:58] I feel like if there's a calendar that people are using, [05:04] that everybody uses, as soon as you have that, it's easy to mark that on. [05:12] Sure. [05:13] But paper used to be a very expensive product, right? [05:16] And I'm not sure that people were making tablets or calendars for people, right? [05:23] Do you just get the far side calendar? [05:30] I mean, even as late as the 19th century in the United States, [05:35] there are lots of people that ended up becoming famous and influential [05:41] that had no idea what their actual birthday was. [05:43] Like Frederick Douglass famously has no idea what his birthday was [05:47] and he adopted either Valentine's Day or some other famous holidays [05:52] like being his birthday or something like that because he had no idea. [05:55] Interesting. [06:00] And so, you know, maybe if I'm a ruler and maybe I'm celebrating my birthday, [06:08] I mean, really, it's not me celebrating my birthday. [06:10] I want other people to celebrate my birthday. [06:12] That's what I really want, right? [06:14] Oh, yeah, I don't want to do that. [06:15] Exactly. [06:16] But the benefit to people acknowledging how important you are [06:21] is probably they get stuff. [06:23] So it's like a feast day, right? [06:25] Mm-hmm. [06:26] Mm-hmm. [06:27] So it does have some, you know, community utility. [06:34] Right. [06:35] Well, and in, you know, like Game of Thrones and stuff like that, [06:39] they had the name day or whatever, [06:43] and that hearkens to a time that was like, I mean, obviously, it's fantasy, [06:48] but like, you know, hearkens to a time that was like prehistory kind of, [06:53] but like even in prehistory time, they had this notion, I guess, [06:59] that there was a birthday to celebrate the things. [07:04] Yeah. [07:05] There was a cycle to life on Earth and... [07:11] Yeah, even when winter doesn't come around annually, [07:14] when you just have to guess when winter's going to come. [07:19] We've had 10 years of no years. [07:22] That tracks. [07:28] Yeah. [07:29] Mm-hmm. [07:30] Mm-hmm. [07:32] So, yeah, what? [07:34] So is the question, I guess the question is like when was the first birthday, [07:40] like that people recognize or invented, I guess? [07:44] I guess, sure, yeah. [07:46] Yeah, we can start with that, and then... [07:50] Yeah, how did we get to the point where like it's cake and candles, basically? [07:57] Yeah. [07:58] Like it's a thing that everybody does, you know? [08:04] I guess that's a lot to cover, so let's focus on the first part. [08:11] Yeah, I'm tempted to say it was the Romans. [08:15] Okay. [08:16] Instead of, you know, maybe the Greeks or even the... [08:18] Well, maybe the Egyptians are a better guess for this. [08:21] The Romans are just a little crazy in vain when you look at their real class. [08:25] Mm-hmm. [08:26] So it's sort of an easy target. [08:27] Sure. [08:28] But the Egyptians did build some like Goliath monuments to themselves in death, [08:32] so there's that. [08:34] A little bit of vanity. [08:35] Yeah. [08:39] So, yeah, I'll go ancient Egypt, a couple thousand B.C. maybe. [08:44] Okay, okay. [08:47] And yeah, I don't know what we got. [08:52] Do you think the time of the pharaohs? [08:54] Yeah. [08:58] So I feel like with the pharaohs, you know, [09:00] you're looking for reasons to celebrate those guys. [09:06] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [09:08] And as for when it became cake and ice cream, [09:17] there's two on the nose to just go with like Marie Antoinette or something. [09:21] Mm. [09:24] Yeah, could be, I guess. [09:29] That makes sense. [09:31] I was thinking it was more, that's more of a, that's a big candle thing, [09:37] you know, like the same way that whatever, the tooth fairy? [09:43] No, not the tooth fairy. [09:45] Santa Claus, you know, getting ubiquitous. [09:49] Yeah. [09:50] Throw a couple commercials of people celebrating with cakes with candles [09:54] and then everybody's got to do it. [09:57] According to pumpitupparty.com. [10:00] That's where I'm at, too. [10:01] All right. [10:02] It all started with the Egyptians. [10:05] Yeah. [10:07] It was referenced to the pharaoh's birthday. [10:09] Good job, Harper. [10:11] Woo-hoo. [10:13] When pharaohs were crowned in ancient Egypt, [10:16] they were considered to have transformed into gods. [10:19] This was the moment in their lives that became important, [10:23] more important even than their physical birth. [10:25] And so they celebrated that day, I guess. [10:30] Greeks started with the birthday candles. [10:33] Greek offered tributes to gods, including the lunar goddess Artemis. [10:39] Yeah. [10:40] Thick sacrifices. [10:41] Like a moon-shaped cake. [10:42] You just, like, kill somebody else on your birthday. [10:45] Donate with lit candles. [10:47] Yep. [10:48] There we go. [10:50] Go, Greeks. [10:53] So in pagan cultures, days of major change, [11:00] such as these birthdays, welcomed evil spirits. [11:02] So they lit candles in response to the spirits to keep them away. [11:10] The Romans, it seems, were the first to celebrate [11:13] the birth of the common man. [11:16] How democratic. [11:18] Yup. [11:19] Tracks. [11:22] Any Roman turning 50 years old would receive a special cake [11:25] baked with wheat flour, olive oil, grated cheese, and honey. [11:29] Mm. [11:30] Mm. [11:31] That's nice. [11:32] Only men, though. [11:33] Wow. [11:34] Okay. [11:35] Free men. [11:38] Gets whittled down quick that far back. [11:40] Yeah. [11:41] Depends on how you define man. [11:45] Yeah, I see that in Genesis, chapter 40, [11:53] there was a mention of the pharaoh's birthday. [11:58] Mm. [11:59] So now the third day was pharaoh's birthday, [12:02] and he gave a feast for all his officials. [12:05] Not the common man, the officials. [12:07] The officials, yeah. [12:08] Mm-hmm. [12:09] He lifted up the heads of the chief cupbearer [12:12] and the chief baker in the presence of his officials. [12:15] He restored the chief cupbearer to his position [12:18] so that he once again put the cup into pharaoh's hand. [12:25] So we were pretty good on that. [12:27] Yeah. [12:28] We were pretty good there. [12:29] Yeah. [12:30] Good job, Herbert. [12:32] Yeah. [12:33] Yeah, and then this points out that there's a theory [12:36] that nobles were the only people who could afford [12:39] to have birthday celebrations for a long, long time. [12:43] So could be the reason behind wearing the custom [12:46] of wearing a birthday crown. [12:48] Mm. [12:49] Mm. [12:50] You know what we got for our kid's half birthday? [12:56] We got a half birthday crown. [12:58] Nice. [12:59] Isn't that just a tiara? [13:01] No, it's just a little tiny crown, [13:04] and on it it said one half, so. [13:10] Didn't fit me. [13:11] I tried. [13:12] I'm sure there's some excellent pictures of that. [13:15] Yeah. [13:17] I found another Terry Taylor t-shirt. [13:19] I can't find the one that you're talking about [13:21] because it would be awesome, [13:22] but I found another one that says, [13:24] always be yourself unless you can be Terry Taylor. [13:27] Then always be Terry Taylor. [13:31] That is good.