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Episode 147 · July 2, 2022

Get Me My Pipes

The hosts try to work out why a great harvest is a "bumper crop" and learn it comes from a big wine cup.

“It's booze.” (13:44)

Questions

Where does the phrase "bumper crop" come from? (01:08)

Our guess
A crop spilling over the bumper of a wagon, or a buffer against a bad year, from medieval England.
Reveal the answer
The answer
A "bumper" was a large wine cup filled to the brim in the 1600s, and by the 1700s it meant a large amount of anything. "Bumper crop" appears around 1830 (a 1836 Scottish newspaper item about grouse), and the car bumper dates to 1839 railway cars.
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Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:06] Oh, we doing under Google rules that was the playa super excited told us we had to
[00:19] We signed up for it in the end it's gonna be better and more true than Google can give you
[00:28] This one comes from so last week
[00:32] I was playing with Ethan on the porch and our neighbor
[00:36] Across the street has his front yard and it's beautiful sunny
[00:40] and he turned his entire front yard into a
[00:43] Garden, it's growing things there and and a couple times
[00:47] He'll see he's seen Ethan and I like hanging out there and I'll come by and be like here you go
[00:51] here's a bunch of lettuce and a radish or
[00:56] Whatever
[01:00] Yeah kids love red
[01:05] It's chatting with him a little bit I was like, oh thanks man, this is great
[01:08] How are things going this year? And he's like, oh, yeah, I mean, it's it's things are growing real. Well, it's a real bumper crop, you know
[01:17] And I said, oh that's great that's great and then I got to thinking what the heck is a bumper crop
[01:22] Yeah, call it a bumper crap. We all know what it we grew up in Indiana. We know that a bumper crop is a year where
[01:28] You grow so much
[01:31] Or two things are just growing like crazy at some level, but it's a bumper crop. What is it? What is it?
[01:36] It's very good. It's a good year. It's a bumper crop, right? Exactly. Yes, but why did we call it a bumper crop?
[01:42] That's excellent. I hadn't really thought about it. The only thing that I
[01:49] The thing that occurs to me first is that there's so much
[01:55] Crop that when you throw it in the back of the truck, it's falling out over the bumper
[02:01] Okay. Okay. I like that
[02:04] Or like that or or even if it's the wagon the back bumper
[02:08] Are is there like there's the flat bed and then maybe you put up extra rails on the side?
[02:17] Those bumpers I think they call those bumpers when you put them up on a on a child's bed, right?
[02:22] You don't want to roll out of the bed throw some bumpers. Yeah
[02:26] so I had thought of it as like like a
[02:29] Maybe it was it was it was like gave you
[02:33] Breathing room was like a buffer almost like you had so much this year that you you wouldn't even
[02:39] Need to sell it all you could save it for next year or something like that
[02:43] But the bumper term didn't really make sense to me, but like that idea that there's this extra
[02:49] We're gonna bumper over to next year
[02:51] Right because your bumper basically protects you're at the main part of your car from damage if it gets
[03:03] Bumped, right? It's a shock absorber
[03:06] Okay, so the idea being that
[03:10] Yeah, you've got enough that it will absorb the shock of a bad year next year, right?
[03:14] right the thing with that though is that it doesn't really apply it applies to certain things right like
[03:20] Like grain you can decide and save until next year so much with the radishes
[03:27] Not so much radishes or lettuce, but like it's a it's a blanket term that you apply to everything
[03:34] It's hard to
[03:36] Hard to freeze dry that lettuce. I suppose you can well
[03:42] Especially because an excellent time to transition to when did this come from I'm guessing it wasn't from the 1990s when we knew how to freeze
[03:52] Yeah
[03:55] Okay, I like it seems like it goes back a long time. Well, I bet it goes back a ways
[03:59] Well, at least the bumpers I guess right. Well, when do you get bumpers? Do you get bumpers on wagons?
[04:03] I suppose you have bumpers on carts
[04:06] I mean like you said if you can install them on beds, then they can go back as far as beds
[04:11] Right, but I don't think we cared if kids I don't think kids cared about falling out of bed back in the day
[04:17] Cuz it was like, you know, we didn't care about it. No, we yeah
[04:21] The kids care parents not so much. No, no, no, it's like throw seven kids in a bed and like
[04:26] Some of them will be on the week one will just die and that's natural. Yeah, that's
[04:30] Bumpers on bed still recently. Yeah
[04:33] But you know bumpers are anything bumpers are anything that keep anything else like you call bumpers in the bowling alley, right?
[04:39] Like that's what you put in the in the gutter, right?
[04:43] Okay. Okay. Okay. So it's like guardrails or a type of bump. They are. Yeah for sure. Yeah, or
[04:51] To that maybe because the all the carts are so full just spilling over
[04:56] into the gutters into the bumper
[05:01] Could be the inverse somehow. It doesn't really make sense. But maybe
[05:06] It's creating a bumper somehow
[05:11] Yeah, or yeah, I like your idea Harper of like the truck
[05:16] You got to install the extra you gotta put the ad on space because there's so much stuff stuff
[05:21] The truck bumpers you gotta like expand your truck bed
[05:28] so
[05:30] so we still have an answer the question of when we think this came around like
[05:34] this is this uh, do we think a this is a strictly American thing or does this go back to
[05:42] England or
[05:45] Indians bumper doesn't sound like a derivation from
[05:49] What does it sound like a derivation from bumper Billy
[05:57] Yeah, exactly, right this is a German term bumper schwag
[06:05] Boomba bush login
[06:08] That's the wagon bumper the pooper swaggin as we
[06:12] Do you what do you think you've been kind of quiet over there? I feel like you've solved it
[06:22] No, I yeah, I like a little bit of everybody's
[06:27] But I don't know like it's it's uh, I don't feel like there's a direct
[06:34] Feel like it's gonna be a circuitous route to get there
[06:38] I don't have a good. I don't have a good read on this one like circuitous route like
[06:43] Coalson nickname for patient players or
[06:47] So just real just I know right side topic Coalson if there was a pastry player named the bumper crop
[06:55] Who would that be?
[06:59] Like it is that benedict math and snooty came did you put that on basketball
[07:07] Yeah, exactly. Yeah, just wicky that up. Yep bumper crop or just bumper that sounds Alexa
[07:18] Read me a bedtime story deep fake a bumper matthesis voice
[07:23] Well, okay, so i'm thinking that I mean, uh
[07:26] Farming's been going on a long time, but I do think this is related to wagons
[07:32] Um
[07:33] and I do like Harper's idea instead of the
[07:36] instead of
[07:38] It overflowing the back of my wagon bumper because I don't think they had bumpers for a very long time
[07:43] Not so many traffic jams back then
[07:45] Exactly. So i'm going with uh
[07:47] Going with Harper's idea and i'm going to go with uh
[07:51] medieval
[07:53] england
[07:55] Okay
[07:57] Midi medieval medieval medieval
[08:02] That's that's sort of where I was leaning too
[08:05] It's either that or it's like a backwoods west virginia
[08:10] I wasn't in that way. Like I just I I like the I like the flow of it
[08:15] I feel it feels american to me like I like okay. It feels like
[08:21] Feels kind of cool. I like it
[08:23] And we're thinking like 20th century america or um
[08:30] Like maybe early 20th early 20 maybe even late 19th
[08:35] Yeah, if we're going america, I feel like it's it's probably pre-industrial revolution maybe
[08:40] Wow that far back
[08:42] I mean we were late adopters
[08:45] Especially in the south the south is still working on that
[08:51] I mean, that's what june teeth is about it's about the south being behind right?
[08:55] It is about that. That is true. So true. It's basically so true
[09:00] Well, according to the grammar is calm always right
[09:09] Is an idiom that with its origins in the 1600 ouch
[09:16] And then it goes on to describe idiom for us
[09:19] helpful
[09:20] Well, i'll go to idiom.com because they won't talk down to me. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they won't talk down to me
[09:27] There we go
[09:28] Uh, the expression bumper crop came into common use around 1830
[09:34] But the word bumper dates back far there in the 1600s a bumper was an extra large wine cup
[09:41] That when filled to the brim held a great amount of wine. I mean we had the right idea. We just had the wrong thing
[09:48] Yeah
[09:49] By the 1700s the word bumper was using the conversation to mean a large amount of something
[09:54] Oh, uh
[09:56] Yeah, okay. Well, when did it when did it slide over to a bumper for a car?
[10:04] If a bumper is a large amount of something until the 1700s
[10:08] When do we I mean that's just that's just some automata pia shit, right because it's a bump bump
[10:15] Yeah
[10:17] By 1830 this definition of the word bumper came to be most
[10:22] He's mostly an expression bumper crop or bumper year
[10:27] Okay, gotcha
[10:30] Oh, not quite so bumper bumper cars agent now meaning buffer of a cars from 1839 american english originally referenced a railway
[10:39] cars
[10:40] Okay
[10:41] Yeah, of course. Sure. We always forget. I always forget the and they did run those things into each other all the time, right?
[10:47] Like you had to to oh, yeah, you have cup, right? Yep, right. Yeah, which also is a great thing from friends
[10:53] If you guys remember that one
[10:58] Deep cut
[11:01] The first bumper on a vehicle was 1897 or i'm sorry on a car
[11:08] Um
[11:11] A motor car
[11:13] Yeah by george albert leon
[11:16] That's my dude
[11:17] Yeah
[11:18] It was a
[11:20] rigid metal bar
[11:22] Which is always good when it smashes into something else
[11:25] Yeah, no, like I mean rocky my neighbor has a as a mallet and yeah, that's what it is
[11:30] It's a rigid metal bar
[11:35] It's not meant to help the pedestrian I can tell you that or the other thing you're hitting
[11:41] Yeah, yeah, it's pretty freaking awesome
[11:44] These good people shout out rocky shout out rocky
[11:49] We'll never hear this the word origins.org gives you a deep
[11:54] And I mean deep history of the word bump
[11:58] How far back do you have to go to get the boop boompa boompin schlagen?
[12:03] Boompin schlagen he goes this goes back as far as 15
[12:08] 52
[12:11] Uh, or maybe even 1300
[12:14] Getting closer 1533 translation of de morbo galico
[12:23] Where it is lat it's it's translated from the latin sinus in curve or fold
[12:31] Uh
[12:33] And then he this this post never gets back to bumper car
[12:38] Right, so that's what no. No, so no, I think that that's actually probably useful
[12:41] So the word bumper is coming from curve or fold, but the bumper
[12:46] Crop or the bumper and the wine is more slang
[12:50] Yeah
[12:53] And finally by 1836 we get the phrase bumper crop itself appearing from an item in the keslow mail
[13:02] Uh reprinted in the scotsman two days later grouse shooting commenced on friday
[13:08] And from all we have been able to learn from the moors in our vicinity the birds have seldom
[13:14] keen
[13:15] Known to be so strong and numerous. They are in fact a bumper crop
[13:20] And the sport has in consequence been excellent. So the government was still in our mail that far back, huh?
[13:26] Gotcha
[13:29] Solid work. We didn't get anything right, but I feel smarter, but we're we're excellent at finding answers on google now
[13:40] Good research so so it goes back to a wine glass. Yeah, it's full
[13:44] Full wine glass, but again, it sounds like
[13:47] That there's no derivation connection between that and the original latin
[13:54] It's booze
[13:56] Yeah
[13:59] Some drunk scotsman started when they when they get a good bumper moss
[14:05] Exactly. I thought that bumper
[14:10] Get me my pipes