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Episode 137 · April 16, 2022

Foie Gras Assembly Line

The hosts try to work out why you get your "ducks in a row" and find a recent origin with several competing theories.

“It's not horse racing. And it's not Stephen King.” (10:59)

Questions

Where does the phrase "get your ducks in a row" come from? (00:31)

Our guess
Ducklings lined up behind their mother, or ducks lined up for shooting, perhaps in Victorian England or horse racing.
Reveal the answer
The answer
No definitive origin. The earliest known reference is an 1889 issue of The Plain Dealer (Cleveland), long before Stephen King's The Stand (1978). Candidates include duckpin bowling, tin ducks in a shooting gallery, ducklings following their mother, and the pool term "duck" for an easy shot.
Verdict partly

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Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] Have you been to Florida?
[00:03] Not great.
[00:05] Jan stay away.
[00:07] The weather is nice.
[00:12] When there's no hurricanes.
[00:14] Or flooding.
[00:16] Or flying gators.
[00:19] Flying gators?
[00:21] Sharknadoes.
[00:23] Yeah, sharknadoes.
[00:25] It's a real problem. Look it up.
[00:27] They've made a couple of documentaries about it.
[00:30] Chainsaw was involved.
[00:32] I remember correctly.
[00:34] That's right, that's right.
[00:36] Coalson, I think before we go.
[00:42] I'd like to do it under Google if you've got something handy.
[00:47] Sure.
[00:48] Just thinking about it.
[00:50] How did he pick the right shark?
[00:52] How did he not chainsaw his girlfriend that he was saving?
[00:56] I don't know. It's just a lot of skills.
[00:59] He's got skills.
[01:01] Listen, you don't do crazy stuff unless you know you're going to succeed.
[01:04] Personally, I think I need to watch the tape again to really dissect it.
[01:10] Okay, we want a short one.
[01:18] A short and easy one.
[01:21] You have all your ducks in a row.
[01:28] Why do you have all your ducks in a row?
[01:38] Let's see.
[01:40] Okay, so the idiom is conveying the idea that everything is in order.
[01:50] All lined up for you.
[01:52] You are well prepared for whatever is coming.
[01:55] Your i's and your j's, your lowercase j's are dotted.
[02:01] Sure.
[02:02] And your umlauts are dotted.
[02:04] As the saying goes.
[02:06] You see that old thing, that old chestnut.
[02:10] And ducks, as we know, mama duck walks and all the little ducks follow right behind her in a little line.
[02:21] They're in a row. Everything's in order.
[02:24] I think it just comes from that, from people.
[02:27] Because I agree that ducks walk in a line.
[02:32] I'm glad you agree with that.
[02:35] I'm willing to make some concessions here.
[02:38] I guess ducks walk in a line.
[02:42] But I just didn't know how that was connected to orderliness.
[02:45] I guess the ducks are being very well behaved.
[02:48] I think it's so you can murder them.
[02:50] Just line them up so you can shoot them really easy.
[02:54] That's correct.
[02:55] You're going with the recent under google trend of everything is bad.
[03:03] You can just run over all the ducks at one time.
[03:06] At the duck farm. At the foie gras mill.
[03:14] Sure.
[03:15] Just cut off a bunch of duck heads right as they walk in.
[03:18] With the little mini guillotine.
[03:20] Yeah, less that I think than trying to shoot them out of the air.
[03:24] So if you have, you know, if you can get them so that they are kind of lined up.
[03:30] Because they blind like a V.
[03:32] They do find a V.
[03:34] You're throwing buckshot at them so you're increasing your odds of hitting your target.
[03:39] Get your ducks in a row and then you can just shoot one shot.
[03:43] That's pretty good.
[03:45] I like that.
[03:47] I do like that.
[03:49] Any chance this relates to duck hunt in any way?
[03:55] Yeah, it might have come out.
[03:57] These might be there before duck hunt, but could be wrong.
[04:01] Do we have a timeline on this?
[04:04] When did we invent ducks?
[04:14] When did they start lighting up in rows?
[04:17] Ducks go back at least if we are to believe Monty Python,
[04:21] which of course is the historical record of note.
[04:26] Sure.
[04:27] Ducks at least existed in the dark ages there
[04:30] because they were used to tell witches apart from non-witches.
[04:34] That's right.
[04:36] What else floats in water?
[04:40] Bridges.
[04:41] Very small pebbles.
[04:42] Churches.
[04:43] Bread.
[04:44] Bread.
[04:47] A duck.
[04:48] A duck.
[04:49] Why?
[04:50] So if a duck wears the same as a witch...
[04:55] Okay, we've gone after us.
[04:57] We could be here for days.
[04:59] Joey, you have any thoughts on this?
[05:03] When ducks were invented.
[05:06] No, I mean, when did they start lining up in a row for us?
[05:09] Maybe that's when it's...
[05:11] Or, okay, what about the game Duck Duck Goose?
[05:14] Well, that's kind of a kid's game,
[05:17] and we all earn order, orderly fashion for that one.
[05:21] It's just an undegoogleble within an undegoogleble.
[05:24] Well, no, I'm just trying to come up with an origin for that.
[05:28] The game could be the origin of this.
[05:31] Okay, so if it's Harper's thing,
[05:33] then it probably goes back to like...
[05:36] I'm gonna go Victorian England again.
[05:38] Duck hunting, sure.
[05:39] We're in the realm of the fox hunt,
[05:41] and we're going out for goose hunting, and...
[05:44] Okay.
[05:45] Yeah.
[05:46] I like that.
[05:47] But if it's ducks in a row...
[05:50] That's Pliny the Elder.
[05:52] Pliny the Elder.
[05:53] Okay, I like that.
[05:56] I mean, because...
[05:58] Yeah, I have no idea.
[05:59] Ducks have been around as long as humans, I would assume.
[06:02] I don't know.
[06:07] Yeah, I feel like they've been around...
[06:09] I feel like it's a chicken or the egg question, right?
[06:14] The duck or a human, which came first?
[06:19] Very similar.
[06:25] Yeah, I mean, I'm guessing the ducks in a row...
[06:29] Behavior has been around since...
[06:33] You know, from forever, ever, to be specific.
[06:42] No, Jason, I like the phrase going back to Victorian England.
[06:48] It seems about right.
[06:49] Okay.
[06:50] I like it.
[06:51] I'm gonna go with...
[06:52] Yeah, and I like the Pliny the Elder guess, too.
[06:56] I think somehow these always end up being horse racing somehow,
[06:59] and I'm gonna go with 1800s horse racing.
[07:01] 1800s horse racing, interesting.
[07:03] Yeah, it's somehow gonna be like...
[07:05] It's somehow they walk ducks around to train the horses.
[07:08] That's what I'm gonna go with.
[07:10] They do use like rabbits and like...
[07:12] Yeah, like dogs and stuff, right?
[07:14] To keep them calm.
[07:15] Yeah.
[07:17] All right.
[07:18] Wait, is that a duck?
[07:20] No.
[07:21] No.
[07:22] Rabbits are not ducks.
[07:23] What is this?
[07:24] Wait a second.
[07:26] Slow down, slow down.
[07:29] All right.
[07:30] Okay.
[07:31] According to ducks in a row dot com, it seems to be the...
[07:34] Yes.
[07:35] I just made that site right now.
[07:38] I'm just a failing source here.
[07:40] Until recently, it was thought that the phrase originated in the 1970s,
[07:45] notably in Stephen King's novel The Stand.
[07:47] What?
[07:48] What?
[07:49] Published in 1978, where King used the phrase,
[07:51] Line up one's ducks.
[07:53] It was later found in a 1932 edition of the Washington Post,
[07:58] and the earliest known reference is from a November 1889 issue
[08:03] of The Plain Dealer, Cleveland.
[08:10] For some, the phrase conjures an image of bowling pins
[08:13] neatly aligned at the end of a bowling alley.
[08:16] Oh, like duckpin bowling.
[08:18] Mm-hmm.
[08:19] In the early 1900s, bowling pins were much shorter and fatter
[08:22] than the ones we now know and often called ducks,
[08:26] due to their waterfowl-like appearance.
[08:29] This doesn't really say that it comes from that, so...
[08:34] But you could see that lining up the pins
[08:37] would be getting your ducks in a row.
[08:40] Grammarist goes with...
[08:42] They just throw out a bunch of things.
[08:44] Grammarist goes with...
[08:47] It could be that the way that the tin ducks
[08:49] are lined up in a shooting gallery, like at the carnival.
[08:53] Oh.
[08:55] And also, a third possibility comes from actual ducks
[08:59] and the way in which ducklings line up
[09:01] when following their mothers.
[09:06] Hmm.
[09:07] Seems like, according...
[09:09] So, a bunch of maybes?
[09:11] Do not know the...
[09:14] Except that they're pretty sure Stephen King
[09:16] didn't make it up.
[09:18] We've learned that.
[09:21] So not Pliny the Elder and not Stephen King.
[09:24] I'm just happy he wasn't duckmurder.
[09:28] With no historical relevance to go off of,
[09:31] we may never know the true origin of the term.
[09:34] Aww.
[09:37] How will I sleep tonight?
[09:39] Yeah.
[09:40] Writers have suggested that the idiom comes from the game of pool,
[09:44] in which a ball in front of a pocket,
[09:46] an easy shot, is sometimes called a duck.
[09:49] To have a roll of balls ready to be potted
[09:52] was to have all of one's ducks in a row.
[09:55] So, no ducks were injured in this under-Google wall, correct?
[10:02] It is.
[10:04] And that usage may come from a sitting duck,
[10:09] as in like an easy hunting target.
[10:12] So, I'm just getting back to Herpers.
[10:18] Yes.
[10:19] Interesting.
[10:20] So, somewhat truly under-Google here.
[10:24] I thought it was going to be a lot more straightforward.
[10:29] Yeah.
[10:32] It never is.
[10:33] Yeah.
[10:34] I'm a little surprised it's so recent on some level.
[10:37] Mm-hmm.
[10:38] Mm-hmm.
[10:39] That was a good one.
[10:47] I mean, but we don't know anything more than we did before.
[10:52] Well, we know that we don't know.
[10:54] Well, we know it goes back to at least 1889.
[10:57] Right.
[10:58] We got that.
[10:59] Right.
[11:00] And it's not horse racing.
[11:02] And it's not Stephen King.
[11:04] It can probably safely rule out horse racing.
[11:06] And Stephen King.
[11:07] For once.
[11:10] All right.
[11:11] Shooting galleries.
[11:12] Let's go that we were correct in its shooting galleries,
[11:15] which was basically Herpers' idea.
[11:17] Yeah.
[11:18] I like that.
[11:19] In a carnival game format.
[11:21] So, back to the duck murder.
[11:24] But imaginary ducks.
[11:26] Ten ducks.
[11:27] Sure.
[11:28] It's more of a duck hunt.
[11:30] It's more of a video game idea.
[11:32] It's a great game where you can never kill all the ducks
[11:34] and get the price.
[11:36] Even if you really want to.
[11:38] Right.
[11:39] The last one's weighted.
[11:42] Right.
[11:45] Once I learned about the, you know,
[11:47] how those games were rigged at the carnivals,
[11:50] you know, like particularly the basketball hoop,
[11:52] you know, you can walk around the side.
[11:54] You can see that things are frickin' oval
[11:56] and that nobody's going to hit the shot.
[11:58] And it's like tilted.
[12:00] You know.
[12:04] Well, some of my childhood died right then.
[12:07] You know.
[12:10] Life isn't, life isn't fair, you know.
[12:17] You know, when I was...
[12:18] Happy night.
[12:19] You know, when I...
[12:21] When I was a kid, you know,
[12:23] when I was a kid, you know,
[12:24] there was a bunch of fun characters running around McDonald's,
[12:27] you know, selling me burgers and stuff.
[12:29] And they're all gone.
[12:30] They're all gone.
[12:31] That's right.
[12:32] Now I'm just loving it, right?
[12:34] Did we...
[12:36] Okay, so we talked about the hamburger.
[12:38] What the heck was Grimace?
[12:39] Have we had this conversation?
[12:41] I don't think so.
[12:42] This sounds like another under Google.
[12:44] Yeah.
[12:45] What the heck is Grimace?
[12:47] That's a fair question in itself.
[12:48] It's just, what was Grimace?
[12:51] And do we feel okay about Ms. Chicken McNuglet?
[12:56] Is that her name?
[12:58] I don't know.
[12:59] I don't know.
[13:00] I like it.
[13:01] Should I be reminded of a cute little chicken
[13:04] when I'm eating a chicken nugget?
[13:05] I don't know.
[13:08] I mean, to me, that reminds me of like,
[13:10] you know, the barbecue place where their logo is...
[13:14] This is the pig.
[13:15] A pig pouring barbecue sauce on itself.
[13:18] She's out there like, eat my brothers and sisters.
[13:26] Simpsons episode when Lisa becomes a vegan.
[13:29] Yes.
[13:30] And the pig is like, here, try me.
[13:33] I'm delicious.
[13:37] Oh, that was the flying pig one there, right?
[13:40] Yeah.
[13:41] It's just a little slimy.
[13:42] It's just a little slimy.
[13:43] It's just a little covered in dirt.
[13:46] All righty.
[13:51] Well, team, I think it's time to get running.
[13:54] Appreciate you guys hanging out.
[13:56] I thought we were...
[13:57] Sorry, I thought we were done.
[13:59] We haven't done the outro yet, have we?
[14:05] Like, in my head, I was editing.
[14:07] I'm like, how long should we go until I cut this, you know, sort of thing?
[14:12] Well, a little bit longer is the answer to that.