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Episode 138 · April 23, 2022

Specific Set of Skills

The hosts try to figure out why Dalmatians became firehouse dogs and arrive at horses.

“A pig that good, you don't eat it all at once.” (09:11)

Questions

Why are Dalmatians firehouse dogs? (00:06)

Our guess
Mascots that look good against the red truck, or smoke sniffers and alarm barkers, perhaps popularized by Disney.
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The answer
Dalmatians have a long history as carriage dogs that were good with horses. FDNY used them from the 1870s to run beside the horse-drawn engines, clear the way, and calm the horses near fires. The breed is named for Dalmatia (first written mention 1374).
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Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:06] Do we know why Dalmatians are firedogs, why they're associated with firefighters, why
[00:34] they're trained to be firedogs?
[00:38] Very good question.
[00:39] Do they have a specific set of skills?
[00:42] Short answer, no.
[00:45] What else do we know about Dalmatians, there's 101 of them.
[00:49] They're black and white.
[00:50] They have a human nemesis.
[00:52] They're very inbred.
[00:53] Yeah, they're currently very stupid, but I suspect they were once smart.
[00:58] Are they real stupid?
[01:00] They aren't, yeah, they're just super inbred, right?
[01:03] They're very inbred at this point.
[01:05] Because we're just trying to get the spots right?
[01:08] Because they were desirable breed.
[01:10] Yeah, okay.
[01:15] If they were such a desirable breed, why did they become so inbred, I guess?
[01:21] Or is it just the nature of any breed?
[01:24] Because yeah, you're not spreading out as super inbred.
[01:28] I mean, people are trying to turn a quick buck in an age before, now, probably a higher
[01:36] risk.
[01:37] Getting 101 pups out of the same breeding pair is probably some inbred.
[01:44] They all definitely had sex with each other, for sure.
[01:48] That was just like an orgy up in there.
[01:51] But the problem was it wasn't an orgy, it was just two people, two dogs.
[02:00] I mean, I suspect that there's probably climbers, are they good jumpers, are they good breathing
[02:08] and smoke?
[02:09] Well, let's think about what you would need, because it's not like they needed the dogs
[02:15] to find the fire or something.
[02:19] It's not like a hunting dog, where you need a dog to go out and find the quail or whatever
[02:24] so that you can then shoot the quail.
[02:26] Is it not?
[02:28] Is that definitive?
[02:30] I mean, how did we find fires?
[02:32] I mean, yeah, what if they can smell smoke or whatever and they're like, can you start
[02:37] barking and run off?
[02:39] Smell smoke before a human has time to find the fire, run to the fire station, alert
[02:46] someone.
[02:47] Yeah, I mean, it seems like an inefficient way to everything was inefficient in eighteen
[02:51] hundred.
[02:52] Right.
[02:53] Right.
[02:54] What's there?
[02:55] But I mean, but it wasn't as if like the firehouse would like go and give a dalmatian to every
[03:01] house in the in the town.
[03:04] That would make sense.
[03:06] It was more that the dog was localized to the fire station wouldn't make that much
[03:10] sense.
[03:11] Maybe.
[03:12] But if it was for detection purposes, well, it was like the entire town, train them to
[03:22] run to the fire station and then bring the firefighters back to watch a bunch of
[03:28] episodes of Lassie.
[03:32] No, I think they they they hung around at the fire station and what do they what is
[03:37] it like the dog can smell like two hundred times better than a human?
[03:40] Like they just start barking way more than that.
[03:43] OK, two thousand or whatever it is.
[03:44] And they start barking and they're like, oh, shit, something's in towns on fire.
[03:48] Potentially.
[03:49] Maybe.
[03:50] But then, like, when they throw them in the in the wagon and like let the dog direct them
[03:54] like, how's that going to work?
[03:55] They just start driving around.
[03:58] I mean, really, right?
[04:01] Burke once for left.
[04:07] I mean, when there are like so in popular media, like the the images that I'm conjuring
[04:12] in my head are the dog riding on the truck.
[04:14] Right. Yeah.
[04:16] Wearing the fire, maybe that maybe they acted as a siren pre siren.
[04:21] They were like, how maybe they had a good howl.
[04:24] But see, we did the fire engine one and they were big on the bells.
[04:27] Remember, why are fire trucks red?
[04:29] And the answer was that they were the bells were a really important part of the
[04:33] whole thing.
[04:35] So you wouldn't need it.
[04:37] You know, they came up with bells a long time before they came up with dogs.
[04:40] Right. I have no idea how to answer that.
[04:47] I don't know. That's another one.
[04:48] I don't know when bells came out.
[04:50] That's the whole thing.
[04:52] I think bells have been around for a really long time.
[04:54] So so getting back to your your
[04:57] wire fire engines, red thing, it was a very symbolic sort of thing.
[05:01] It was like every fire station wanted to make a name for themselves or whatever.
[05:06] And so my guess is that.
[05:09] Some buddy had a Dalmatian.
[05:13] And it was their mascot.
[05:14] And then all the other fire stations were like, mmm.
[05:18] Bing. Yeah, I mean, they're very pretty dogs and they pop.
[05:21] But why the first red shows that to be its mascot?
[05:24] Because they pop against the red of the fire truck with that black and white.
[05:28] Exactly, exactly.
[05:29] I suspect that you're probably right.
[05:31] This purely likes like a probably fairly anecdotal and be.
[05:37] Yeah, no, there's no real purpose behind it.
[05:39] Aesthetic.
[05:41] They just are like firefighter buddies.
[05:43] Because I don't think like, I mean, why a Dalmatian went out of St.
[05:46] Bernard, like what a dog really do like it's not just going to run in there
[05:49] and drag out a human.
[05:52] Right, exactly. Yeah.
[05:55] Yeah, so what would be the service of the dog to the fire company?
[05:59] So, yeah, the St.
[06:00] Bernard could drag me out, waking them up or something.
[06:03] I mean, you think the bells would handle that.
[06:10] It's got to be smoke sniffing, right?
[06:13] Or aesthetic.
[06:14] But even if the even like
[06:16] even if the dog does smell the smoke, what then?
[06:19] They just start sparking.
[06:21] And then what?
[06:22] And they're all like, oh, there's a fire.
[06:24] We'll just sit around until somebody tells us where it's a square.
[06:28] Yeah, but at least they're like awake and they've had their coffee.
[06:31] OK, OK, fair enough.
[06:32] OK, that's actually pretty smart. Yeah.
[06:37] No, it gives it gives them time to put on their their jump suits
[06:41] and go down the pole and, you know,
[06:44] crank, they had to crank the engine back then, right?
[06:47] I don't know. Sure.
[06:54] So when do we know when Dalmatians came about like breed wise?
[07:00] Like most of this, most breeds were generated like during the Victorian era.
[07:05] Right. That's when we got most breedification of dogs.
[07:09] But yeah, like what were Dalmatians?
[07:11] But were they hunting dogs, I assume?
[07:15] They look similar to hounds to me.
[07:16] Yeah, like in build.
[07:18] I mean, I think they are like legitimately fast.
[07:22] Yeah. Hmm.
[07:23] So I would have thought they're relatively big, right?
[07:26] Yeah. Yeah. Decent size.
[07:29] So definitely some kind of sporting dog.
[07:35] So yeah, I buy, you know, Victorian not long after. Yeah.
[07:41] My suspicion, though, is that mass media is probably what you need
[07:45] in order for the dog to be branded as the
[07:51] official firehouse dog.
[07:54] OK, it was is there
[07:58] is there a fire truck scene in 101 Dalmatians?
[08:02] I don't I haven't seen that movie in so long.
[08:06] Like, I'm wondering if this is Disney.
[08:08] You know, that's really good.
[08:10] It's definitely a definite possibility.
[08:14] Yeah. All right.
[08:16] I'm going to guess
[08:17] 1880s and somebody just like had had a Dalmatian,
[08:24] but they were the best firefighters in the area.
[08:27] I like your idea, Jason, I'm stealing it.
[08:30] And I was like, Oh, yeah, cool. Let's do that.
[08:32] Or one company happened to have a Dalmatian and it like did something heroic.
[08:37] Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
[08:38] Then everybody was like, OK.
[08:40] And it may or may not have been true, but it became more.
[08:44] But it became legend like it ran into a burning building
[08:47] and dragged out a kid or something like the rube of dogs.
[08:53] Right. Oh, that reminds me that you've heard about the the pig
[08:58] that went in and woke everybody up and with the houses on fire.
[09:05] Pig runs in, wakes everybody up, drags the kid out, saves his life.
[09:11] And he's got a peg leg.
[09:15] And so so the guy so that the guy asked, so is that how he got his
[09:20] how did he, you know, hurt his leg?
[09:21] If, you know, it didn't sound like in that story that he burnt his leg off or anything.
[09:26] And the farmer says, yeah, well, a pig that good, you don't eat it all at once.
[09:31] Right. Right.
[09:36] Kind of backed into that joke, so it wasn't a great setup.
[09:38] But, you know, you see where I'm going.
[09:39] I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[09:41] So I'm I'm I'm I thought the kid had a pig like the pig.
[09:46] Yeah, OK, that's even better, though.
[09:55] So I'm going to take something a little bit late.
[09:58] I'm going to go more Disneyish.
[09:59] I'm going to like 1930s, 1930s.
[10:01] I like that. I like that.
[10:03] Big Disney. Big Disney.
[10:09] Oh, A.K.C., A.K.C. dot org has got us covered here. Nice. OK.
[10:15] Dalmatians have a history as stable guards and carriage dogs dating back to the 1700s.
[10:23] The FDNY began utilizing Dalmatians as fire dogs to accompany carriages
[10:28] as early as the 1870s.
[10:33] Apparently dogs don't form some function with things that don't have motors.
[10:37] What is happening?
[10:39] So apparently Dalmatians are really good with horses.
[10:44] They're like, keep them calm and like defend them from other things
[10:48] and like we'll run alongside horses.
[10:50] And so the the earlier
[10:54] firehouses had horse drawn carriages, basically.
[10:58] OK, so the horses, horses weigh like a ton.
[11:02] Yeah, but they're they spook easily.
[11:04] Ah, so the dogs is like there is their emotional support animal.
[11:09] So it was happening, kind of.
[11:10] Yeah, it said that they said they usually had a pair of Dalmatians
[11:13] that would run on either side of the coach.
[11:16] You know, when the fire lamp sounded,
[11:18] the Dalmatians would run out of the firehouse barking to let bystanders know
[11:21] that they should get out of the way because the wagon would be coming soon.
[11:26] And then once the wagon was on the street, Dalmatians would run beside it.
[11:30] The brave loyal dogs also served an important purpose
[11:33] once the wagon approached a fire.
[11:36] Horses are afraid of fire
[11:38] and the Dalmatians present could distract and comfort the horses
[11:41] as they pulled the wagon closer to a blaze.
[11:44] Interesting. Good job, Dalmatians.
[11:47] All right. OK, yeah.
[11:50] It sounds like that this is there.
[11:51] It's mainly their skill with horses that got them the job.
[11:56] That's really cool.
[11:58] So I'm kind of curious
[12:01] when Dalmatians became a train wreck.
[12:05] Yeah. And did we know when the breed came about?
[12:10] I mean, OK, 1600s, apparently
[12:14] named after the Adriatic coastal region of Dalmatia, Croatia.
[12:18] Did you go there, Coalson, when you were in?
[12:20] I was not in Dalmatia.
[12:22] If only I had known. Are they were are they born there?
[12:26] Well, they're named after that area.
[12:28] The origin of the breed is unknown.
[12:32] Yeah, it seems like they were bred to hang out with horses.
[12:36] It's pretty cool.
[12:37] Among its nicknames are the English coach dog,
[12:40] firehouse dog and plum pudding dog.
[12:44] Dalmatians clearly no longer need to
[12:47] keep the horses from spooking, but
[12:50] they're often used to teach kids about fire safety
[12:55] going along with the firefighters
[12:57] and often stay in the firehouses
[13:00] to catch and kill rats.
[13:03] And they go dogs.
[13:06] Having trouble figuring out when the inbreeding happened,
[13:08] but it seems to be just like everything else,
[13:11] they were just a super popular dog and probably valuable.
[13:15] But it's unclear when it became a huge problem.
[13:19] So, I mean, are they so dumb now that they can't help me with the fire?
[13:21] Is that what's going on?
[13:23] Well, I mean, you just don't have horses now.
[13:26] So it's really not much purpose. Right.
[13:29] But their problems are more varied.
[13:32] It's not just that they're dumb.
[13:33] They're also meaner now and have lots of health problems.
[13:37] Mm hmm. It's a thing called Dalmatian rage.
[13:39] Apparently could lower it.
[13:44] They're deaf, commonly.
[13:46] The first known written information about Dalmatian dogs is from 1374.
[13:51] Ooh. Wow. Hmm.
[13:53] Dalmatian puppies are downright adorable. Mm hmm.
[13:56] Hmm. Yeah, they're born without spots.
[13:59] And then they develop spots around 10 days old
[14:03] and they're like super sparse and they
[14:07] just super cute.
[14:09] And then they get bigger and more numerous.
[14:14] As they grow up now, I'm just looking at dog pictures.
[14:19] All right.
[14:20] I'm reading.
[14:21] I'm reading a scientific paper on Dalmatian inbreeding,
[14:24] and it's it's it's a little too deep.
[14:26] Yeah, you're going to be on our values real quick.
[14:34] Do you guys know that 101 Dalmatians was a novel originally?
[14:38] I think I knew that 56 by British author Dodie Smith.
[14:43] Well, I feel like we learned something.
[14:47] We did learn something.
[14:49] Dalmatians go way back.