Any Old Foreign Fruit

[00:00] Well, Mr. Coalson, are you ready to do an Undo Googleable?
[00:04] Sure.
[00:05] Cool.
[00:11] We do an Undo Googleables.
[00:13] That was the play of it.
[00:14] Super excited.
[00:16] Told us we had to, sir.
[00:19] He said we signed up for it.
[00:23] In the end, it's going to be better and more true
[00:25] than Google can give you.
[00:28] I got Undo Googleables for days.
[00:30] What do you want to know about?
[00:32] What do you think people want to know about?
[00:36] Something that starts with a Q.
[00:41] Don't have that.
[00:43] Something that starts with an L.
[00:47] OK.
[00:48] Let's just, uh, how about an animal thing?
[00:52] Animal thing.
[00:54] Mm.
[00:55] OK.
[00:56] I'm striking out.
[00:56] That's three.
[00:57] I'm out.
[00:58] That's a strike out.
[00:58] I win.
[00:59] OK.
[01:00] Apple of my eye.
[01:06] OK.
[01:07] So this is a phrase that has always bothered me, right?
[01:11] Because it doesn't really make sense.
[01:12] So you're the apple of my eye.
[01:16] So there's not an apple in my eye.
[01:22] Why are you as my child?
[01:26] Because that's the phrase, right?
[01:29] You're the thing that I care about most, right?
[01:31] You're the apple of my eye.
[01:32] And it's usually lineage, right?
[01:34] It's a the child is the apple of my eye, right?
[01:40] Pride and progeny, maybe.
[01:42] Yeah.
[01:43] So why is it an apple of my eye?
[01:46] There's no apples in my eye.
[01:49] And why is apples connected to progeny and all this stuff?
[01:54] I'm confused by this phrase.
[01:56] It's bothered me for a long time.
[01:58] I was going to, I've sat on this for a long time.
[02:01] And I was going to put it out to the whole group.
[02:03] But you know what?
[02:04] On some level, I think it's appropriate that you and I
[02:06] just figure this one out together.
[02:10] I feel like we'll do it justice.
[02:12] OK, OK.
[02:15] So from a purely visual perspective,
[02:18] you could say that the pupil is sort of apple-shaped.
[02:24] Or an apple is pupil-shaped.
[02:28] Deep.
[02:32] No, OK, all right, all right.
[02:34] So on some level, is this a recent phrase?
[02:40] How far are we going back before?
[02:44] Are we talking about an apple as a pupil?
[02:47] Sure, OK.
[02:48] Yeah, I'm with you.
[02:50] I mean, I don't know.
[02:52] It's definitely to a time when people are hungry.
[02:54] Because it shouldn't have anything to do with food,
[02:56] but they made it about food.
[02:57] OK, all right, all right.
[02:59] I'll go to Old West.
[03:01] I think it's older than Old West.
[03:03] No, I think this is biblical.
[03:05] I think it's, I think it's, I think it's, yeah,
[03:07] or like Greek.
[03:09] I think it's Greek maybe.
[03:10] When are apples around?
[03:13] Where are apples around?
[03:15] Well, OK, so I actually do know, this is a fun fact that I know,
[03:20] that the Garden of Eden, it actually
[03:26] probably wasn't an apple.
[03:27] You know, we talk about, right, because there
[03:32] weren't apples in that era in that area.
[03:37] So that's all like a retroed, that we've
[03:41] created an apple in the Garden of Eden.
[03:44] So it was more likely a date or something like that.
[03:50] Sure.
[03:52] I mean, I don't know.
[03:53] If we're talking about, like, you know,
[03:56] if you weren't even talking about a yawist epic,
[03:59] like we're not there yet, right?
[04:01] Like, there's no apples there.
[04:04] Where are apples?
[04:05] Are apples in Italy?
[04:11] Where are the apples in?
[04:12] See, I don't know the answer to that.
[04:14] Yeah.
[04:15] Like, I mean, maybe Greece had them,
[04:18] but I don't know that, to be sure, for sure.
[04:20] When I think of Greece, I think of like olives and figs
[04:23] and stuff, right?
[04:25] Sure.
[04:26] Maybe Italy?
[04:29] Yeah, where's the beginning of apples?
[04:31] So this is a, because I don't think it's New World.
[04:34] I think we've had apples for longer than that.
[04:36] I mean, clearly, because you don't have the Bibles done way
[04:39] before the New World.
[04:42] So Europe somewhere, not the desert, that's for sure.
[04:45] OK, so we're thinking that the apples aren't
[04:47] in the Middle East.
[04:51] We're thinking they're more in Europe.
[04:53] Yeah.
[04:53] OK.
[04:56] So Newton, he had the apple fall on his head.
[05:02] OK.
[05:03] When's Newton?
[05:07] 1,500.
[05:08] Yeah, OK.
[05:08] Sure.
[05:09] No, he's lighter than that.
[05:10] 1650, maybe.
[05:12] OK.
[05:15] I feel like I read DaVinci code.
[05:19] I feel like Newton was in that.
[05:22] 1642 to 1726.
[05:25] OK.
[05:28] So no, I do feel like I'm going to go biblical,
[05:34] but again, the actual story in the Yowist epic
[05:40] wouldn't involve an apple.
[05:41] So it would be the rewriting of it,
[05:43] which would have been probably 1,000 years later.
[05:47] I just think you're presuming a lot about where Eden was.
[05:52] Fair enough.
[05:52] Fair enough.
[05:54] It was the Furl Crescent, my friend, and we all know that.
[05:57] Was it, though?
[06:00] I don't know.
[06:02] It's a special magic place, dude.
[06:03] Sure, OK.
[06:04] So the special magic place just had apples already.
[06:07] Yeah.
[06:10] And dinosaurs and Adam and Eve.
[06:12] That's true.
[06:13] They did have all those things.
[06:15] Yeah, that's true.
[06:16] Apples and dinosaurs.
[06:17] But no, I don't know.
[06:22] Could this be a, like, I don't know,
[06:25] anything to do with the eyes?
[06:27] You're thinking like some sort of reference
[06:29] to like window on my soul or something.
[06:30] Right.
[06:31] No, I'm with you.
[06:31] I'm with you.
[06:32] It's that.
[06:34] But I'm not sure that it's actually
[06:35] describing the physical eye, right?
[06:38] I mean.
[06:39] Well, no, but if you are the apple of my eye,
[06:43] you are like the best version of me, right?
[06:48] As a child or a progeny, don't you think?
[06:51] Isn't that what that means?
[06:53] OK.
[06:54] I could buy that.
[06:55] It certainly can be that.
[06:56] I don't know if it has to be that.
[06:58] OK.
[06:58] So apple would be positive, would be a positive thing.
[07:04] But again, I'm with you that it's pretty good.
[07:06] They are good.
[07:09] A green delicious?
[07:12] A little Fuji.
[07:13] Fuji apple?
[07:14] Oh, yeah.
[07:16] Well, no.
[07:16] OK.
[07:17] I like that it's a pupil, though.
[07:18] That doesn't have anything to do with apples at all.
[07:20] It's just basically the pupil.
[07:22] So if that's the case, then we're talking about an artist.
[07:26] We're talking about an author.
[07:28] We're talking about someone who's
[07:30] trying to create a mental picture for you.
[07:34] So Shakespeare?
[07:35] Shakespeare, then?
[07:36] Yeah.
[07:37] Definitely Shakespeare.
[07:39] I think it's earlier, though.
[07:41] Could Chaucer have gone with apple over your eye?
[07:44] I mean, like I said, it could be at any time
[07:46] when people were hungry.
[07:48] So yes, it could have been Chaucer for sure.
[07:53] But why is it connected to the positivity of your project?
[07:59] So you are the apple of my eye.
[08:04] So OK, the idea, you're right.
[08:06] You sort of mentioned this, but you
[08:08] can, the window into the soul.
[08:11] I can envision, through my pupil,
[08:19] I'm envisioning the future, right?
[08:24] Again, that doesn't help me with time.
[08:29] Apples are delicious.
[08:31] Apples are delicious.
[08:31] And they probably used to be like an expensive delicacy.
[08:34] Oh, for sure they were, for sure.
[08:37] So we're going to go with apples are delicious.
[08:40] They were expensive.
[08:42] And that it's definitely not Garden of Eden
[08:47] because all of that's retroed.
[08:51] We'll take Chaucer to Shakespeare.
[08:53] I feel like that's such a through line that that should
[08:55] just be a category for us now.
[08:57] Yeah, so like 1,300.
[09:01] I like it.
[09:02] I like it.
[09:02] Let's go 1,300.
[09:05] All right, let's see what we got here.
[09:09] This phrase originally had anatomical reference
[09:12] and was used to denote the central aperture of the eye.
[09:15] There you go.
[09:15] We killed that.
[09:17] The expression first appeared in Old English in 885 AD.
[09:21] So that's like pre-Chaucer.
[09:24] That is definitely pre-Chaucer.
[09:25] That's deep.
[09:27] And it'll work attributed to King Alfred, the great of Wessex,
[09:32] your favorite king, I know, titled Gregory's Pastoral Care.
[09:37] It was later used by Shakespeare in 1600
[09:39] in his play A Midsummer Night's Dream
[09:41] and also appeared in English translations of the Bible
[09:44] in 1611.
[09:45] However, the phrase was more commonly used
[09:47] after it appeared in Sir Walter Scott's novel Old Mortality
[09:50] in 1816.
[09:52] That's according to the idiom.
[09:54] So Wikipedia says, the apple usage
[09:59] comes from English idiom, not Hebrew.
[10:04] The original Hebrew for this idiom
[10:07] refers to the pupil.
[10:09] It means dark part of the eye and not apple.
[10:14] Meaning, it means it's,
[10:16] I'm not gonna try to pronounce the Hebrew here,
[10:19] but it means dark or obscure.
[10:21] Oh, which translates literally to little man of the eye,
[10:28] which would, yeah, which would make very easy connection
[10:34] to how we think of it now, right?
[10:38] You were the little man of my eye.
[10:42] That's Wikipedia though.
[10:43] And also, of course, we love Wikipedia.
[10:46] It's the knowledge of the people.
[10:49] So in terms of definition,
[10:52] it doesn't necessarily have to be progeny.
[10:54] Just someone most cherished is above all others.
[10:57] So the way that it was actually used
[10:59] in the 1816 Old Mortality novel was,
[11:03] poor Richard was to me as an eldest son,
[11:06] the apple of my eye.
[11:08] As an eldest son, okay.
[11:16] So she actually liked him more than her own kids.
[11:18] Right, exactly.
[11:19] So that's always good to know.
[11:19] Exactly.
[11:20] That's what you always wanna hear your mom say to some dude.
[11:24] It's very common in the Bible
[11:26] and is connected to this translation,
[11:31] the English translation of essentially what means dark part
[11:36] or potentially little man of the eye.
[11:39] All of these from the King James translation
[11:44] of the Old Testament.
[11:48] So it's for, you know,
[11:51] it's where it comes a common phrase,
[11:53] but you're saying 800, which would be-
[11:56] I found reference to this, yeah,
[11:58] this work attributed to King Alfred the Great of Wessex.
[12:02] I've seen that.
[12:02] Which is way earlier than the King James version
[12:06] of the Bible, which was what?
[12:07] I don't have that in front of me, but what?
[12:09] 1600?
[12:10] 1600, I think.
[12:11] Okay, yeah.
[12:13] So definitely in the parlance,
[12:15] so they could find this thing and translate it that way.
[12:19] That would make sense.
[12:22] Yeah, I mean, it clearly-
[12:23] Which would also change the meaning of the term itself,
[12:33] or the translation.
[12:35] Well, so when you're reading something in Hebrew,
[12:40] and you're saying, well, this is similar to this thing,
[12:45] and you take a phrase that's already been used in 800
[12:48] that has a meaning,
[12:49] you're changing the meaning of what's written,
[12:51] which happens all the time in translation.
[12:57] So we don't exactly know what the original Hebrews
[12:59] were trying to say when we put-
[13:01] No, that's a different other Googleable.
[13:03] Right, right, right.
[13:04] We're gonna have to brush this on our Hebrew.
[13:05] It does sound like it might be connected potentially, so.
[13:09] I mean, they're definitely connected,
[13:10] whether or not they were connected before 1611, who knows?
[13:13] Right, exactly.
[13:14] After 1611, they're definitely connected.
[13:17] Yeah.
[13:19] Do we know when apples are around?
[13:21] Did we learn the origin of apples?
[13:23] Yeah, where are apples from?
[13:25] Yeah.
[13:30] Okay, did not see that coming.
[13:33] DNA analysis indicates that apples originated
[13:35] in the mountains of Kazakhstan.
[13:37] Oh, well, there you go.
[13:39] With the wild Malus sieversii,
[13:41] the many times great-grandparent of Malus domestica,
[13:46] the modern domesticated apple still flourishes.
[13:50] Really?
[13:51] That is, I did not see that coming.
[13:52] I really would have thought of someplace more tropical
[13:54] than the mountains of Kazakhstan.
[13:56] Okay, so they definitely could be,
[14:00] it definitely could have been the forbidden fruit then.
[14:07] Sure.
[14:08] Kazakhstan's not that far away from Eden, right?
[14:14] No, but it does beg the question
[14:16] when apples were actually domesticated, if that's the...
[14:19] Oh, wow, okay.
[14:20] So the apples thought to have been domesticated
[14:23] four to 10,000 years ago.
[14:25] That's a broad swath of time.
[14:27] That is a super broad swath.
[14:30] And then they've traveled along the silicon to Europe
[14:31] with hybridization and introgression of wild crab apples
[14:35] from Siberia, the Caucasus, and Europe.
[14:40] Interesting.
[14:43] So it could have been there, but yeah,
[14:46] I don't know if, yeah.
[14:50] Well, this is, yeah.
[14:52] So this is a very tongue in cheek article.
[14:57] It says, there's disagreement over the range
[14:59] of probable locations of the Garden of Eden,
[15:03] which range from Turkey, Mongolia,
[15:06] the North Pole, and Ohio, which is funny.
[15:11] But this is a National Geographic article.
[15:14] It says that the ubiquitous apple does not appear
[15:18] in the Old Testament book of Genesis
[15:22] in the original story.
[15:25] It's an unspecified fruit,
[15:28] which has been later entangled with the apple.
[15:33] Right, so apparently Greeks use the word apple
[15:37] as a generic term for all foreign fruit
[15:39] other than berries, including nuts,
[15:41] as late as the 17th century.
[15:44] Ah, wow.
[15:45] So it's just any old foreign fruit or nut.
[15:51] You know my boy, Ryan George, that does the pitch meetings?
[15:56] Yeah, oh yeah.
[15:57] He did one recently on, he was like,
[16:00] we gotta start naming fruits
[16:01] because apparently fruits and berries isn't good enough.
[16:05] And so they sit around in a meeting
[16:07] and try to name fruits.
[16:09] I'm gonna link to it.
[16:10] It's really amazing.
[16:11] I like it.
[16:12] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[16:14] He goes, they name grape
[16:18] and then it gets to round to the guy
[16:20] who's in charge of the grapefruit
[16:21] and he goes, I wanna name my fruit grape.
[16:25] And he's like, no, we already named it grape.
[16:27] And he goes, how about grape fruit?
[16:31] He's like, but it's, it's really, it's great.
[16:34] Sorry.
[16:36] I'm gonna spoil it.
[16:39] Well, that was good stuff.
[16:45] Yeah, I feel like, did we,
[16:47] we nailed that.
[16:48] Oh, crushed that.
[16:51] We knew it wasn't an apple.
[16:52] We knew the apple was the pupil.
[16:54] We knew that it was a long time ago.
[16:58] Come on.
[16:58] Yeah.