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Episode 118 · November 6, 2021

Remind Me to Fight You Later

A listener confirms the "rule of thumb" debunk, and the hosts then try to figure out where "wheelhouse" comes from.

“At one point we had a wheel in water in this discussion. So I'm going to give it to us.” (10:42)

Questions

Where does the word "wheelhouse" (as in "in my wheelhouse") come from? (01:03)

Our guess
A water-wheel mill, a train turntable, or baseball's strike zone or boxing's reach.
Reveal the answer
The answer
Several sources: a ship's wheelhouse (the pilot house where the wheel is, or the housing around a paddlewheel), and baseball, where the batter's power zone is the "wheelhouse". Mark Twain used the term.
Verdict right

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Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] Uh, also real briefly, uh, listen to the previous show, um, uh, you went to the
[00:05] under Google bulls and I was like, I know the answer to this one.
[00:09] Um, uh, I had learned, uh, in, in school that, uh, rule of thumb was about
[00:15] the size of a switch to beat a woman with.
[00:17] And, uh, the fact that you guys decided that that was not the case.
[00:21] And that's why under beatables, uh, is useful even to people that
[00:25] think they know the right answer.
[00:27] So thank you guys for your civic duty.
[00:30] You are apparently not alone.
[00:32] Oh yeah, for sure.
[00:33] It's a well-entrenched fake news.
[00:35] This is widespread.
[00:36] Well, I'm glad that we're debunking it.
[00:39] Appreciate you guys very much.
[00:47] Oh, we do an under Google bulls.
[00:50] That was the play of super excited.
[00:52] Um, told us we had to.
[00:53] So we said, we said, we signed up for it.
[00:59] In the end, it's going to be better and more true than Google can give you.
[01:03] Okay.
[01:04] Coalson.
[01:05] Uh, you know what I, you know, I had a quick one and, and, uh, and stop
[01:12] me if we've heard this one before.
[01:14] Um, do we ever talk about what, what's a wheelhouse?
[01:19] Mmm.
[01:20] Mmm.
[01:21] Yeah.
[01:21] You know, the phrase is like, it's not in my wheelhouse.
[01:24] Um, it's something that you're, you know, that you're good at already.
[01:28] Um, so it's not my, everyone, you know, most people know what that means,
[01:32] but I don't, I don't know what the heck is a wheelhouse.
[01:35] The only thing I can think of and I'll preemptively strike here is, is like
[01:39] the, like, um, like a manufacturing, like, uh, you know, I'm thinking like
[01:44] 1800s, like a, uh, um, water wheel kind of thing, right?
[01:51] Like those sort of, um, if you had like a middle type of action, right.
[01:57] Yeah.
[01:57] You, you would put your, your manufacturing, you know, your, your
[02:01] facility, like right next to a river or a stream or something, and you have
[02:04] a wheel that would, yeah, but like, I don't know, that's all I got.
[02:10] So yeah, how did it would be that somehow that wheel would have been inside
[02:14] of a house or something like that?
[02:16] Maybe.
[02:16] Or like, I mean, inside a building and that's the, that's why I'm here.
[02:20] I don't know.
[02:21] Or maybe you're just like, people would refer that, that, you know, that,
[02:24] that mill is the, oh, that's the old wheelhouse, you know,
[02:28] the house with the wheel on it.
[02:30] Maybe.
[02:32] Maybe.
[02:33] Yeah.
[02:34] What were those train stations called that had the floors that would turn to,
[02:42] to, to realign tracks so they could, uh, move trains to different tracks.
[02:49] Were those wheel houses?
[02:54] That I don't know.
[02:56] I've never seen that before heard of that.
[02:59] I've seen those.
[03:00] Was it covered like, or is it out in the open?
[03:02] Like, is it in a building or.
[03:04] The ones that I've seen would be were covered.
[03:06] Yeah.
[03:07] Okay.
[03:07] I mean, like that, there was definitely one in like Chicago back in the stockyard days.
[03:12] Right.
[03:12] Right.
[03:14] I'm pretty sure there's one in Baltimore, like BNO.
[03:17] And so all the tracks are on a big movable.
[03:21] It's like a turntable kind of thing.
[03:22] Yeah, and you would just turn it to, to, to direct the trains.
[03:26] Right.
[03:28] Yeah.
[03:31] Okay.
[03:32] So.
[03:32] So I agree with you, but I also still don't have a wheelhouse.
[03:35] And that would be, yeah, that would be, because that would be like the epicenter
[03:39] of the train yard, right?
[03:41] So it would be like one would rate my wheelhouse.
[03:46] I think it's just like, yeah, perfectly centered, like.
[03:51] At the crux of what I do.
[03:56] Yeah, that or is it a place where you store your wheels, like?
[04:02] Here, would that be a barn
[04:05] where you can keep your wagon wheels?
[04:07] I was thinking, you know, trains or.
[04:10] Um, you know, buses or something like that, I don't know.
[04:16] It's like the hub.
[04:17] Yeah, yeah.
[04:23] OK, so I for some reason, I was associated with with boxing.
[04:35] OK, is there a wheelhouse punch?
[04:39] You think in a roundhouse?
[04:41] There's a roundhouse kick.
[04:43] Yeah, but I was always like, this is your
[04:47] you're putting your like face right in my wheelhouse or whatever.
[04:53] Because you're steering a wheel.
[05:00] I remember remind me to fight you later.
[05:01] I think I got it.
[05:04] But like, you know, like this is, you know, it's right up my alley.
[05:07] This is the thing that I do.
[05:08] But you're you're making this really easy on me.
[05:10] Right. But I always thought of it as boxing and boxing metaphor.
[05:13] I don't know why.
[05:14] See, I always thought of it as a baseball term.
[05:18] Like, like in the wheelhouse, like that's where you want to hit the ball.
[05:22] Right. That's your sweet spot. Right.
[05:25] And the swinging motion is sort of a circular thing.
[05:29] Sure. Like a half circle.
[05:31] But I don't actually think it's from there.
[05:35] Yeah, do they go now that I've doubted that it definitely is from baseball.
[05:38] It's definitely baseball.
[05:41] Do they do they call the the strike zone the wheelhouse?
[05:46] And they've got all kinds of down mains.
[05:48] They've got tons of idioms for that stuff.
[05:50] Right. Baseball could just go on for days.
[05:54] There's a lot of downtime in baseball for those announcers to make stuff up.
[05:59] Yeah, exactly.
[06:01] So when do we think this phrase started like
[06:07] coming around into to parlance?
[06:10] Maybe that will help us.
[06:12] It narrow, narrow on to a origin.
[06:16] How much how much wheelhouse is in Shakespeare?
[06:22] I mean, it seems I don't know that I've ever read it in a literary format.
[06:28] Oh, interesting.
[06:32] But, yeah, it feels very 20th century to me.
[06:36] OK, I mean, we've we invented the wheel a long time ago.
[06:43] Yeah, I guess many may also invented the house a long time ago.
[06:46] That's true. Yeah.
[06:48] Now, I mean, I don't know how long it took us to invent the house
[06:51] that held wheels, but I'm assuming shortly after the house.
[07:01] Comes the wheelhouse.
[07:03] Yeah. At some point, you got to start experimenting, putting wheels and houses.
[07:08] You know, yeah, yeah, obviously.
[07:13] Yeah, maybe this could this be a military thing?
[07:17] OK, like.
[07:23] Is there a like, could that be a turret or something?
[07:26] Could that be a could there be a wheelhouse or something like that?
[07:30] We're in a tank.
[07:32] Yeah, like turning the crank to move the the cannon or something like that.
[07:39] Or possible.
[07:40] I've definitely never heard that.
[07:41] OK, OK. Hmm.
[07:49] This is a good old joke.
[07:50] Yeah, well, I mean, so we're
[07:54] basically trying to get to the idea that it's it's.
[07:59] That's very, you know, it's very easy
[08:04] for me to deal with this because it's in my wheelhouse.
[08:07] Like, well, where are we?
[08:09] You know, does does the ease of it make anything?
[08:15] You know, change the control, right?
[08:19] You control the thing in your wheelhouse.
[08:22] Yeah, I wonder if that helps us at all.
[08:24] Maybe not like, like,
[08:30] sort of automation, you know, something like that, like.
[08:36] Could this be a?
[08:39] Yeah, is it like gears, like the main gears of whatever?
[08:43] Yeah, it's the with the housing of the of the gears,
[08:47] but they don't say it's right in my gear house.
[08:51] No, but yeah, wheels.
[08:54] Yeah, no, I like this.
[08:55] I wonder if this is like as assembly lime term or something like that.
[09:00] All right, so let's go turn of the century.
[09:04] I'm finding I'm finding many different answers here.
[09:08] Oh, no. And we hit a lot of them.
[09:12] So one of them is definitely baseball.
[09:15] Like, it's the batter's power zone, like where they're able to hit.
[09:18] And that seems to be where the term has taken popularity from.
[09:23] But another another definition is
[09:30] basically like where you pilot a boat from.
[09:32] It is the little small little house where where you can.
[09:36] Oh, OK. It's got the you know, the that makes no sense.
[09:41] But then there's other ones where where it's like.
[09:47] Coalson, you mentioned boxing as well.
[09:49] There's one wheelhouse is referred to as like the reach,
[09:52] you know, where where they're able to get hit.
[09:55] And it seems like one was very literal.
[09:58] It was like where you would keep the wagon wheels or cart wheels
[10:02] like out by the barn, you know, like.
[10:08] But it seems like there's a lot I'm finding lots of different sort of things
[10:11] and they're they're kind of all over the place.
[10:13] It's it's kind of interesting.
[10:16] Like all of these things are known as the wheelhouse.
[10:25] Yeah, I'm also seeing
[10:28] not in addition to boating, you know,
[10:32] being like where you turn the wheel to steer the ship, but also the paddle.
[10:37] That's what I'm saying.
[10:39] I like a steam steamboat, paddle boat.
[10:42] Yeah, goes on the side.
[10:43] There's actually apparently housing around that.
[10:46] That is literally called the wheelhouse.
[10:48] I mean, at one point we had a wheel in water in this discussion.
[10:52] So I'm going to give it to us.
[10:54] Now, this is a Mark Twain
[10:59] uses the phrase quite often.
[11:01] So apparently there's there's where we need to be in the literary.
[11:05] I did read it. I just didn't remember it. Right.
[11:10] Cool. Good work.
[11:11] So, yeah, did you guys did you guys see
[11:16] Jamal Murray punched
[11:19] Tim Hardaway Jr.
[11:20] in the the dick. Did you guys see this?
[11:25] Yes. So this is one of the reasons
[11:29] I love the Internet because there was a ton of puns.
[11:35] Jamal Murray was
[11:38] given a technical foul.
[11:39] I think he might have been ejected
[11:42] for an excessive blow to the head.
[11:44] Oh, goodness.
[11:49] There was, of course, the other side that would have been
[11:51] that didn't think it was a foul.
[11:53] It wasn't a foul. It was all ball.
[11:56] Oh, my God.
[12:01] But really, it was it was just a dick move.
[12:06] This guy. Shout out, Internet.
[12:08] Oh, yeah.
[12:11] That's all I got.