Episode 118 · November 6, 2021
Remind Me to Fight You Later
A listener confirms the "rule of thumb" debunk, and the hosts then try to figure out where "wheelhouse" comes from.
“At one point we had a wheel in water in this discussion. So I'm going to give it to us.” (10:42)
Questions
Where does the word "wheelhouse" (as in "in my wheelhouse") come from? (01:03)
Our guess
A water-wheel mill, a train turntable, or baseball's strike zone or boxing's reach.
A water-wheel mill, a train turntable, or baseball's strike zone or boxing's reach.
Reveal the answer
The answer
Several sources: a ship's wheelhouse (the pilot house where the wheel is, or the housing around a paddlewheel), and baseball, where the batter's power zone is the "wheelhouse". Mark Twain used the term.
Several sources: a ship's wheelhouse (the pilot house where the wheel is, or the housing around a paddlewheel), and baseball, where the batter's power zone is the "wheelhouse". Mark Twain used the term.
Verdict right
Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] Uh, also real briefly, uh, listen to the previous show, um, uh, you went to the [00:05] under Google bulls and I was like, I know the answer to this one. [00:09] Um, uh, I had learned, uh, in, in school that, uh, rule of thumb was about [00:15] the size of a switch to beat a woman with. [00:17] And, uh, the fact that you guys decided that that was not the case. [00:21] And that's why under beatables, uh, is useful even to people that [00:25] think they know the right answer. [00:27] So thank you guys for your civic duty. [00:30] You are apparently not alone. [00:32] Oh yeah, for sure. [00:33] It's a well-entrenched fake news. [00:35] This is widespread. [00:36] Well, I'm glad that we're debunking it. [00:39] Appreciate you guys very much. [00:47] Oh, we do an under Google bulls. [00:50] That was the play of super excited. [00:52] Um, told us we had to. [00:53] So we said, we said, we signed up for it. [00:59] In the end, it's going to be better and more true than Google can give you. [01:03] Okay. [01:04] Coalson. [01:05] Uh, you know what I, you know, I had a quick one and, and, uh, and stop [01:12] me if we've heard this one before. [01:14] Um, do we ever talk about what, what's a wheelhouse? [01:19] Mmm. [01:20] Mmm. [01:21] Yeah. [01:21] You know, the phrase is like, it's not in my wheelhouse. [01:24] Um, it's something that you're, you know, that you're good at already. [01:28] Um, so it's not my, everyone, you know, most people know what that means, [01:32] but I don't, I don't know what the heck is a wheelhouse. [01:35] The only thing I can think of and I'll preemptively strike here is, is like [01:39] the, like, um, like a manufacturing, like, uh, you know, I'm thinking like [01:44] 1800s, like a, uh, um, water wheel kind of thing, right? [01:51] Like those sort of, um, if you had like a middle type of action, right. [01:57] Yeah. [01:57] You, you would put your, your manufacturing, you know, your, your [02:01] facility, like right next to a river or a stream or something, and you have [02:04] a wheel that would, yeah, but like, I don't know, that's all I got. [02:10] So yeah, how did it would be that somehow that wheel would have been inside [02:14] of a house or something like that? [02:16] Maybe. [02:16] Or like, I mean, inside a building and that's the, that's why I'm here. [02:20] I don't know. [02:21] Or maybe you're just like, people would refer that, that, you know, that, [02:24] that mill is the, oh, that's the old wheelhouse, you know, [02:28] the house with the wheel on it. [02:30] Maybe. [02:32] Maybe. [02:33] Yeah. [02:34] What were those train stations called that had the floors that would turn to, [02:42] to, to realign tracks so they could, uh, move trains to different tracks. [02:49] Were those wheel houses? [02:54] That I don't know. [02:56] I've never seen that before heard of that. [02:59] I've seen those. [03:00] Was it covered like, or is it out in the open? [03:02] Like, is it in a building or. [03:04] The ones that I've seen would be were covered. [03:06] Yeah. [03:07] Okay. [03:07] I mean, like that, there was definitely one in like Chicago back in the stockyard days. [03:12] Right. [03:12] Right. [03:14] I'm pretty sure there's one in Baltimore, like BNO. [03:17] And so all the tracks are on a big movable. [03:21] It's like a turntable kind of thing. [03:22] Yeah, and you would just turn it to, to, to direct the trains. [03:26] Right. [03:28] Yeah. [03:31] Okay. [03:32] So. [03:32] So I agree with you, but I also still don't have a wheelhouse. [03:35] And that would be, yeah, that would be, because that would be like the epicenter [03:39] of the train yard, right? [03:41] So it would be like one would rate my wheelhouse. [03:46] I think it's just like, yeah, perfectly centered, like. [03:51] At the crux of what I do. [03:56] Yeah, that or is it a place where you store your wheels, like? [04:02] Here, would that be a barn [04:05] where you can keep your wagon wheels? [04:07] I was thinking, you know, trains or. [04:10] Um, you know, buses or something like that, I don't know. [04:16] It's like the hub. [04:17] Yeah, yeah. [04:23] OK, so I for some reason, I was associated with with boxing. [04:35] OK, is there a wheelhouse punch? [04:39] You think in a roundhouse? [04:41] There's a roundhouse kick. [04:43] Yeah, but I was always like, this is your [04:47] you're putting your like face right in my wheelhouse or whatever. [04:53] Because you're steering a wheel. [05:00] I remember remind me to fight you later. [05:01] I think I got it. [05:04] But like, you know, like this is, you know, it's right up my alley. [05:07] This is the thing that I do. [05:08] But you're you're making this really easy on me. [05:10] Right. But I always thought of it as boxing and boxing metaphor. [05:13] I don't know why. [05:14] See, I always thought of it as a baseball term. [05:18] Like, like in the wheelhouse, like that's where you want to hit the ball. [05:22] Right. That's your sweet spot. Right. [05:25] And the swinging motion is sort of a circular thing. [05:29] Sure. Like a half circle. [05:31] But I don't actually think it's from there. [05:35] Yeah, do they go now that I've doubted that it definitely is from baseball. [05:38] It's definitely baseball. [05:41] Do they do they call the the strike zone the wheelhouse? [05:46] And they've got all kinds of down mains. [05:48] They've got tons of idioms for that stuff. [05:50] Right. Baseball could just go on for days. [05:54] There's a lot of downtime in baseball for those announcers to make stuff up. [05:59] Yeah, exactly. [06:01] So when do we think this phrase started like [06:07] coming around into to parlance? [06:10] Maybe that will help us. [06:12] It narrow, narrow on to a origin. [06:16] How much how much wheelhouse is in Shakespeare? [06:22] I mean, it seems I don't know that I've ever read it in a literary format. [06:28] Oh, interesting. [06:32] But, yeah, it feels very 20th century to me. [06:36] OK, I mean, we've we invented the wheel a long time ago. [06:43] Yeah, I guess many may also invented the house a long time ago. [06:46] That's true. Yeah. [06:48] Now, I mean, I don't know how long it took us to invent the house [06:51] that held wheels, but I'm assuming shortly after the house. [07:01] Comes the wheelhouse. [07:03] Yeah. At some point, you got to start experimenting, putting wheels and houses. [07:08] You know, yeah, yeah, obviously. [07:13] Yeah, maybe this could this be a military thing? [07:17] OK, like. [07:23] Is there a like, could that be a turret or something? [07:26] Could that be a could there be a wheelhouse or something like that? [07:30] We're in a tank. [07:32] Yeah, like turning the crank to move the the cannon or something like that. [07:39] Or possible. [07:40] I've definitely never heard that. [07:41] OK, OK. Hmm. [07:49] This is a good old joke. [07:50] Yeah, well, I mean, so we're [07:54] basically trying to get to the idea that it's it's. [07:59] That's very, you know, it's very easy [08:04] for me to deal with this because it's in my wheelhouse. [08:07] Like, well, where are we? [08:09] You know, does does the ease of it make anything? [08:15] You know, change the control, right? [08:19] You control the thing in your wheelhouse. [08:22] Yeah, I wonder if that helps us at all. [08:24] Maybe not like, like, [08:30] sort of automation, you know, something like that, like. [08:36] Could this be a? [08:39] Yeah, is it like gears, like the main gears of whatever? [08:43] Yeah, it's the with the housing of the of the gears, [08:47] but they don't say it's right in my gear house. [08:51] No, but yeah, wheels. [08:54] Yeah, no, I like this. [08:55] I wonder if this is like as assembly lime term or something like that. [09:00] All right, so let's go turn of the century. [09:04] I'm finding I'm finding many different answers here. [09:08] Oh, no. And we hit a lot of them. [09:12] So one of them is definitely baseball. [09:15] Like, it's the batter's power zone, like where they're able to hit. [09:18] And that seems to be where the term has taken popularity from. [09:23] But another another definition is [09:30] basically like where you pilot a boat from. [09:32] It is the little small little house where where you can. [09:36] Oh, OK. It's got the you know, the that makes no sense. [09:41] But then there's other ones where where it's like. [09:47] Coalson, you mentioned boxing as well. [09:49] There's one wheelhouse is referred to as like the reach, [09:52] you know, where where they're able to get hit. [09:55] And it seems like one was very literal. [09:58] It was like where you would keep the wagon wheels or cart wheels [10:02] like out by the barn, you know, like. [10:08] But it seems like there's a lot I'm finding lots of different sort of things [10:11] and they're they're kind of all over the place. [10:13] It's it's kind of interesting. [10:16] Like all of these things are known as the wheelhouse. [10:25] Yeah, I'm also seeing [10:28] not in addition to boating, you know, [10:32] being like where you turn the wheel to steer the ship, but also the paddle. [10:37] That's what I'm saying. [10:39] I like a steam steamboat, paddle boat. [10:42] Yeah, goes on the side. [10:43] There's actually apparently housing around that. [10:46] That is literally called the wheelhouse. [10:48] I mean, at one point we had a wheel in water in this discussion. [10:52] So I'm going to give it to us. [10:54] Now, this is a Mark Twain [10:59] uses the phrase quite often. [11:01] So apparently there's there's where we need to be in the literary. [11:05] I did read it. I just didn't remember it. Right. [11:10] Cool. Good work. [11:11] So, yeah, did you guys did you guys see [11:16] Jamal Murray punched [11:19] Tim Hardaway Jr. [11:20] in the the dick. Did you guys see this? [11:25] Yes. So this is one of the reasons [11:29] I love the Internet because there was a ton of puns. [11:35] Jamal Murray was [11:38] given a technical foul. [11:39] I think he might have been ejected [11:42] for an excessive blow to the head. [11:44] Oh, goodness. [11:49] There was, of course, the other side that would have been [11:51] that didn't think it was a foul. [11:53] It wasn't a foul. It was all ball. [11:56] Oh, my God. [12:01] But really, it was it was just a dick move. [12:06] This guy. Shout out, Internet. [12:08] Oh, yeah. [12:11] That's all I got.