Episode 111 · September 18, 2021
Grow a Tail Like a Horse
A spelling disagreement over "shoo-in" or "shoe-in" leads the hosts to guess at cobblers and Cinderella before horse racing again.
“Has horse racing taken over? Is it all the things now?” (11:04)
Questions
Where does the term "shoo-in" come from and how is it spelled? (01:16)
Our guess
Shoe-in: a shoe that fits like a cobbler's or Cinderella's shoe, or being "shooed" past obstacles.
Shoe-in: a shoe that fits like a cobbler's or Cinderella's shoe, or being "shooed" past obstacles.
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The answer
It's spelled "shoo-in" ("shoe-in" is a misspelling). It comes from horse racing, where a corrupt jockey would shoo a preselected winner across the finish line. Around 1900 the verb phrase "shoo in" was used in racing, and the earliest noun use found is 1937.
It's spelled "shoo-in" ("shoe-in" is a misspelling). It comes from horse racing, where a corrupt jockey would shoo a preselected winner across the finish line. Around 1900 the verb phrase "shoo in" was used in racing, and the earliest noun use found is 1937.
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Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] 10. [00:02] Good job, buddy. [00:03] Yeah. [00:04] Look at me, I'm practicing. [00:07] Is that your first ever sync lead? [00:09] Oh, for sure it is. [00:11] I've never done that before. [00:13] There's no way that's ever happened before. [00:15] Nobody trusts me. [00:16] We're not going to try to ask him to multitask, [00:18] to count and press the button. [00:20] Exactly. [00:21] Why was it press when he just gets the button? [00:23] Right, that's normally a disaster. [00:25] There's no way that anyone has ever asked me to count [00:28] and push a button at the same time. [00:43] We doing under Googles? [00:44] That was the play of Super Excited. [00:47] He told us we had to, sir. [00:50] He said we signed up for it. [00:54] In the end, it's going to be better and more true [00:56] than Google can give you. [00:59] So I guess it's time for an under Googleable. [01:02] Is that a note intro? [01:04] Does that sound good? [01:05] It sounds great. [01:06] Is that what Joey says? [01:08] It's time for an under Googleable. [01:12] So this one came up the other day on Slack. [01:16] Jason, you wrote something that totally threw me off, [01:19] and I need to talk about it. [01:22] You said shoo-in, the term shoo-in, [01:26] and you spelled it S-H-O-O-N. And you're a very smart person. [01:32] I assume you know what you're talking about. [01:34] But mine is higher life. [01:37] I assumed it was spelled shoo-in as in wearing a shoe. [01:41] So I was S-H-O-E dash I-N. And that [01:48] got me thinking, what's the origin of shoo-in? [01:52] Why does it exist? [01:53] What's the definition? [01:54] What's the timeline? [01:56] I always thought that it was related [01:57] to putting my foot in a shoe. [01:59] And I did always envision being at a shoe store. [02:05] And the guy using the little tongue to put your shoe in. [02:10] And I'm a shoo-in. [02:12] And I'm now thinking that maybe my entire life has been a lie. [02:16] And so I need to have talked to two of my smartest friends. [02:20] What do we got on shoo-in? [02:23] That's a good question. [02:25] A, I have no idea how to spell it. [02:27] I'm sure that's just what I want. [02:29] OK, so you just made that up and maybe created [02:32] a crisis in my mind. [02:34] I apologize for the existential crisis [02:36] that you've been in since I wrote that. [02:40] I think, I guess, I always thought of it [02:42] as like the word shoe, like shoe get away, shoe fly. [02:49] But this is shoo-in you in. [02:50] So like a shoe is like you're moving something [02:53] from one place to the other and in that place it's in. [02:56] Shoe fly don't bother me, right? [02:57] Yeah, exactly. [02:58] So you could probably shoe something out. [03:01] That's probably the most common way of shoeing, I guess. [03:05] I think generally you shoe things out. [03:10] In this case, we're shoeing in. [03:14] But why does that make, give me an advantage? [03:17] Why would shoeing me in give me an advantage? [03:21] Because the definition, Harper, do you [03:23] have a definition of shoe-in? [03:25] I mean, I would go with, it's basically [03:29] already established, right? [03:30] It's like a fade out complete. [03:31] It's a certainty. [03:32] It's a certainty, yeah. [03:35] So it's a wrap, right? [03:37] Right. [03:40] So I also would have spelled it like you, Coalson. [03:45] OK. [03:47] Because once the shoe-in, it fits. [03:49] Once the shoe-in, we're good. [03:51] It fits. [03:51] Yeah, it's a Cinderella thing. [03:53] Yeah, yeah. [03:54] That's how I sort of thought about it. [03:56] You're a shoe-in because you're like this in the shoe. [03:58] I actually kind of like that. [04:00] OK. [04:02] So maybe Jason just spelled it wrong? [04:04] Maybe I just spelled it wrong. [04:07] Or it's like the momentum of shoeing. [04:14] Of shoeing. [04:14] It takes you past all of the obstacles in the way. [04:16] So I'm not shoeing out. [04:18] I'm shoeing you in past the obstacles. [04:21] And there you go. [04:22] You're a shoe-in. [04:24] Yeah, what does shoeing things away even mean, though, right? [04:27] I feel like that's like, is that like? [04:29] Shoe fly shoe. [04:32] What's this? [04:32] The more you say it, the more weird it sounds. [04:36] Also, the more you spell it. [04:37] So if it is S-H-O-O, that's a weird word. [04:41] It's definitely a weird word. [04:43] Shoe. [04:44] But I feel like, I don't know, I [04:46] feel like it's maybe even not even a word, right? [04:49] It's just like a made-up word for. [04:51] It's like onomatopoeia, almost. [04:52] Exactly. [04:54] Exactly. [04:54] Is it the act of me chewing things? [04:57] Yeah. [04:59] OK. [05:01] And I always think of shoe fly don't bother me. [05:03] That's the first thing I think of. [05:04] So you're just kind of batting away flies. [05:07] But then there's this shoe in. [05:08] And are those things even connected? [05:10] I mean, in my head, they weren't connected [05:13] until Jason spelled it like S-H-O-O. [05:15] And now I'm having an existential crisis. [05:18] OK, so we have two independent situations. [05:22] Yeah, this jellyfish done us quick. [05:25] Right, exactly. [05:27] Which is the name of the plot. [05:30] So on the one hand, it's shoe with an E in. [05:33] And we want to guess what the origin of that [05:37] is, where that comes about. [05:39] Does that start in department stores [05:41] when people are fitting you into shoes in, say, [05:44] the 40s or 50s or something? [05:46] Oh, no, I'm guessing earlier. [05:47] I'm guessing back when we had, what's [05:49] the name of a shoe guy? [05:50] Macy's. [05:51] We're in the 40s. [05:53] No, no, we're like, what are the shoes? [05:56] Cobblers. [05:58] Cobblers. [05:58] I'm thinking we're like, yeah, 1700s cobblers or shoe-ins. [06:03] And it's like, they made a shoe. [06:05] It happens to fit. [06:07] It's yours now. [06:09] It's yours now. [06:14] Cobblers just have random lengths of leather. [06:18] So they just make it shoe for them. [06:20] Hopefully this fits them well. [06:21] Or maybe it's pretty standardization of shoe sizes. [06:26] They measured your foot and they built it. [06:27] And then they were just keeping their fingers crossed. [06:30] And like, let's get this shoe in. [06:32] I mean, this is before standardized measurement even. [06:35] They're just like, meh. [06:38] Sure. [06:39] It's a several thumbs. [06:41] Yeah. [06:42] Right. [06:44] OK, so I kind of like that. [06:47] And my guess is maybe that if you spell it the other way, [06:50] shoe-in, with an O, double O, that sounds [06:57] like a very middle English to me, right? [07:02] It does. [07:03] It's not much different in time. [07:04] I mean, I guess it's a couple hundred years probably. [07:07] But maybe Irish or something. [07:09] Like, I mean, part of the English or the British. [07:13] Gaelic, perhaps. [07:15] Yeah. [07:17] Yeah, I'm thinking if it's shoe S-H-O-O, [07:21] I'm thinking it's earlier. [07:23] I'm thinking it's like 1500s. [07:26] It's Shakespeare. [07:28] Yeah, I'm thinking more Shakespeare [07:30] if it's shoe-in with two O's. [07:33] And then if it's cobblers, I'm thinking it's like 1700s. [07:37] And I'm still not thinking America's either time. [07:39] I'm thinking, I like your idea of British or Irish [07:42] or some sort of European. [07:46] For shoe-in, you like British. [07:49] Yes. [07:50] For shoeing flies. [07:53] I like Irish. [07:54] You like Irish for that. [07:55] I kind of like American for that. [07:57] OK, all right. [07:58] Really? [07:58] It feels sort of rustic-y, old, busty, homespun-y, made-up [08:04] word. [08:04] Yeah, it's shoe-in-flies off the whiskey bottle out west. [08:11] Shoe-in-flies off your apple pie. [08:12] I guess I was just thinking like middle ages Europe [08:16] because it's like there were a lot more flies. [08:23] They were fly. [08:23] Yeah. [08:25] There should be a lot of words for shoeing flies [08:28] because flies were everywhere. [08:30] OK, that's fair. [08:33] But maybe at that point you don't even worry about shoeing a fly. [08:36] There's just so many flies. [08:38] You just give up. [08:39] Yeah, you just grow a tail like a horse [08:41] because evolution is the only way out. [08:47] Isn't your constant daily job is to just shoe flies? [08:54] Shoe. [08:54] Yeah. [08:55] Shoe. [08:56] Shoe. [08:57] It's so weird. [08:59] OK, so, OK, this doesn't say it. [09:06] From the website of Professor Paul Bryan's, [09:09] shoe-in with an E is a common misspelling. [09:14] The expression purportedly comes from the practice [09:16] of corrupt jockeys, holding the horses back and shoeing [09:21] a preselected winner across the finish line to guarantee [09:24] that it will win. [09:25] See, again, we fail to take damn horse racing. [09:30] And here we are. [09:31] Horse racing's everything. [09:32] It's more common than Shakespeare or Valkyrie. [09:36] You know what? [09:36] Actually, now that we think about it, [09:38] even if it was spelled the other shoe, [09:40] why didn't we guess horse shoes? [09:42] Oh, hi, third person. [09:44] Oh, man, we are getting bad at this. [09:46] It's always horse racing. [09:48] Well, that's one sight. [09:49] So let's see. [09:50] Oh, my god. [09:55] For shoe S-H-O-O, I don't have a lot of documentation here, [10:01] but I got 1620s to drive away by calling shoe [10:06] from the exclamation late 15th century, [10:08] perhaps instinctive, compared German shoe, Italian shoe, [10:14] shoeed shoeing. [10:17] So it's Italian? [10:20] I mean, European late 1500s or the 1600s, [10:26] I think we were kind of close on that. [10:29] Right. [10:30] Yep. [10:33] So yeah, I'm reading on writings explained [10:39] that shoeing means a candidate is very [10:41] likely to win a contest or competition. [10:45] They've got some connection to voting, [10:46] but it does seem like it also is horse racing. [10:51] Yeah, I'm running across a whole lot of horse racing, man. [10:54] Yep, yep, yep, yep. [10:56] Sounds like horse racing. [10:57] Oh, my god. [10:58] Look, I mean, so it was so much Shakespeare. [11:02] Has horse racing taken over? [11:04] Is it all the things now? [11:07] Why do people care so much about horse racing? [11:11] It's like such a minimalistic thing on my radar as a human. [11:15] It's just like, why does so much vernacular come from that? [11:22] So is this American horse racing, then, if it's a shoe in? [11:25] You said you've got a 1600 shoe in. [11:28] Well, no, that's for shoe. [11:29] I didn't track down. [11:31] That's for shoe. [11:33] Shoe in, I think, it sounds like, was later, but I don't know. [11:38] OK. [11:39] I can't get a time on this thing, yeah, either. [11:46] First known use, 1937. [11:50] OK, so yeah, so it's horse racing. [11:52] That's horse racing at its peak. [11:56] All right, well, there you go. [11:58] The more you know about horse racing. [11:59] Yeah, so I'm seeing, at the turn of the 20th century, [12:02] the verb shoe followed by in came to mean used in horse racing. [12:10] I do want to give you credit, though, Jason, [12:12] because I keep reading over and over again. [12:16] Yes. [12:17] I keep seeing over and over again that shoe, S-H-O-E-N, [12:22] is a misspelling. [12:24] And that S-H-O-O-I-N is the correct way to spell this. [12:30] So you spelling it correctly, created on Google. [12:35] Well done, sir. [12:35] And the next digital crisis for Coalson, [12:37] which I can only assume will now resolve itself, [12:41] and him just crawling into a corner [12:42] and going fetal for days on it. [12:48] Your life is a lie. [12:49] It was a lie. [12:51] Everything I thought is a lie.