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Episode 105 · August 7, 2021

Elementary Trigonometry

The hosts figure out where "beeline" comes from and discover the old practice of tracking wild honeybee colonies.

“I don't stop at the bar.” (04:26)

Questions

Where does the word "beeline" come from? (00:36)

Our guess
A honeybee flying the most direct path back to the hive; one host suspected geometry (a bisecting line) or navigation.
Reveal the answer
The answer
From the straight line a honeybee takes when returning to its hive. It appears in early 19th-century print (one example from 1808), and "bee lining" was used to locate wild bee colonies by trigonometry.
Verdict right

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Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] All right, I heard we have an undegoogable coming out of DC this week, is that right?
[00:11] Oh, we doing undegoogables? That was the play of super excited.
[00:16] Told us we had to. So we said we signed up for it.
[00:23] In the end, it's going to be better and more true than Google can give you.
[00:28] Yeah, I was surprised we hadn't done this one yet. And maybe we have and we'll discover it as we
[00:36] work our way through this undegoogable. But so Jill, the other day we were out and we were going
[00:42] to get back and she said, you know, when we get home, I'm making a beeline for the bathroom.
[00:51] Beeline, what is it? What is a beeline? Where does that phrase come from? What's going on?
[00:58] I assume it's about honeybees. Okay. They just do bees make lines?
[01:09] The most direct route from flower to flower. I think that's the beeline.
[01:15] Okay. How sure are you about that? And how many bees have you watched fly?
[01:23] That's sort of my thing, right, Joey? It's like,
[01:26] uh, these are notorious, like they do dances and all kinds of crazy stuff to give directions, like
[01:33] super famous for picking the most direct route for me to be.
[01:36] Right. Because that was our theory as well, is it's the bees come back to the hive. They're like,
[01:44] look, man, I know where there is great nectar. Let's go get it. And then they go straight to
[01:51] it or something like that. But yeah, I agree. I don't know that they actually make a, I don't
[01:57] know how good they are at homing. I know they swarm me in like circles and circles and circles.
[02:03] And like, you can walk like a half a block away and they're still following you. So that doesn't
[02:07] seem like they're that focused. You don't think that's where the phrase comes from, do you?
[02:14] What? From, from swarming you? Yeah. Short for beeline to Coalson.
[02:18] Yeah. It probably goes back further than, than, uh, you know, me. Yeah.
[02:26] I mean, everything is about me and everything does surround me, but maybe not this race.
[02:33] Can we think of any alternative? Uh, yeah, no, I feel like I know this. I feel like it's a
[02:38] geometry thing, right? It's the, it's a geology thing. No geometry thing. So geometry. So it's
[02:45] like a B and C and a triangle or whatever. And then there's, and I don't even, I don't
[02:51] know which one it is, but like, I feel like on a, if you have a compass or whatever, like you,
[02:55] there's an A and a C and then you find the B line through some math thing. And it's always
[03:00] a straight line through the middle of the, um, uh, triangle, like the different geometry
[03:08] class. The B line splits the triangle and exactly half
[03:21] or something like a bisection. Yeah. It's a bisection thing. Yeah. So, okay. So, so like
[03:26] you're navigating and you're like, okay, there's a mountain over there and there's a mountain over
[03:30] there. And then I, and then I have my compass go through the B that's my B line.
[03:34] So I'm, I'm fairly sure that B line is spelled B E E L I N E. It's not like B dash line. Okay.
[03:43] So that was going to be another question. Cause I don't know that I've seen it written. You
[03:48] don't think it's like hyphenated. Yeah. Well, okay. Well, what if it's, are you sure it's
[03:52] that way? Cause like, what if it's like the, like some New York thing where like the, the
[03:57] B line bus is like the fastest, it's the most direct route from midtown to
[04:03] downtown or something. Yeah, it's not.
[04:07] That's the A train. I'm saying it's, it's a, it's a compass geometry thing.
[04:16] What are the pro track, that's what I'm looking for.
[04:19] Based on spelling, you're pretty confident that it's a B, a honey bee situation. I do. I actually
[04:26] think it may be that even though bees like spend a lot of time flying around doing
[04:30] weird dances, once they've done so, then they would at that point navigate together
[04:36] from a point eight to a point B on something approximating a straight line.
[04:42] Yeah. Yeah. I think going home, there's no, you know, no stopping, no, no detours. Once
[04:48] you've got your, you know, pollen on your legs, you've got one job and it's to get home.
[04:54] I mean, I don't waste any time at that point. I don't stop at the bar.
[04:57] No, you got to get home and work yourself to death like now.
[05:01] Yeah. You got to get home and barf up that nectar.
[05:10] Okay. And when do we think this, uh, terminology came into parlance?
[05:17] Like this is an American thing and the from farmers in the
[05:21] beekeepers 50, the forties or something.
[05:24] How long have has like bee keeping been a thing?
[05:30] I think that's like, I think ancient Egypt. Yeah.
[05:33] Like at least.
[05:34] Yeah. I was kind of thinking Egyptians as well.
[05:39] I'm going to go.
[05:40] But I don't know if they came up with a term.
[05:42] I'm going to go with the Greeks. It was the beta line.
[05:49] I'm going to go, um, uh, 1600s, uh, sailing.
[05:55] Okay.
[05:56] Going to your maritime.
[05:57] Maritime. It's a protractor. It's a compass. Yeah.
[06:00] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[06:02] Oh, I learned an interesting thing. Speaking of maritime. Uh, so, uh, the sauce,
[06:08] the red sauce, you know, that you put on noodles, uh, was, uh, originally developed at sea.
[06:15] It was what the, the sailors used and that's why it's called marinara.
[06:20] Because it was, uh, I had never put that together.
[06:24] No, that's cool.
[06:25] Nah, I assumed it was some Italian stuff.
[06:29] I mean, it is, but yeah.
[06:31] It's the Italian marinara.
[06:33] That's kind of cognate for maritime or something.
[06:37] Close shared.
[06:37] Well, but the marine, the brute, the marine. Yeah.
[06:41] I think we put that together. Okay.
[06:44] Okay.
[06:44] Well, we got that one. We nailed marinara.
[06:48] I'm seeing spelling as both ways hyphenated and unhyphenated.
[07:00] Uh, are you saying B dash or B E?
[07:04] Oh, no. B E. Okay.
[07:10] I'm seeing early 19th century with reference to the straight line supposedly taken
[07:15] distinctively by a B when returning to the hive.
[07:21] I'm also, so the B lining is, uh, the ancient aren't used to locate feral B colonies.
[07:29] This is performed by capturing and marking of foraging worker bees and releasing them
[07:35] from various points to establish, oh my God, by trigonometry,
[07:40] the direction and distance of the colonies home.
[07:48] So maybe trigonometry instead of geometry.
[07:50] Damn it. I was so close.
[07:55] The earliest, uh, of the phrase is from the Davenport daily leader, January 1808.
[08:05] Gustav single, single senior of rock Island was thrown from his sleigh on third avenue
[08:11] in that city yesterday afternoon.
[08:14] The horse became frightened and turned abruptly, ripping the cutter.
[08:18] The horse made a B line for home.
[08:23] Is that 1808? Was that right?
[08:25] 1808.
[08:27] Although it was probably, it looks like in common usage already.
[08:32] Probably.
[08:37] There was also a B line railroad in Indiana.
[08:41] Was it the fastest way to get downtown?
[08:48] Bees don't actually make the most direct path back to their, um, high,
[08:56] but it came, uh, the phrase came around before science figured out how bees work essentially.
[09:05] No, I mean, I think it is that they go directly back.
[09:08] Okay.
[09:09] I'm just reading something else.
[09:11] Yeah.
[09:11] Although I don't, I don't know a whole lot about B navigation techniques,
[09:17] but there may be like way points or something, right?
[09:19] Like it would be otherwise straight, but for pre-existing way points that they use to navigate.
[09:24] Right.
[09:25] Yeah, but I think, yeah, I think, yeah.
[09:29] And then you can use that as a tool if you're, uh, trying to, uh, you can,
[09:38] you can use that as a, uh, uh, I'm trying to find another word.
[09:42] It's not working.
[09:43] Got y'all locked in.
[09:48] But you can use their behavior against them.
[09:51] If you are, uh, uh, be lining, uh, you just use, just add their behavior plus a little
[09:58] elementary to trigonometry and Booyah, you got yourself some honey bees.
[10:09] I don't really feel like a poo bear was good at trigonometry.
[10:16] You think it was Eeyore was the math guy.
[10:21] Maybe piglet.
[10:24] What was piglet's deal?
[10:26] He was incredibly afraid of everything, but also incredibly loyal to poo.
[10:31] So like he'd get talked into doing stuff he didn't want to do because he loved poo so much.
[10:35] That was his thing.
[10:37] That was his character arc.
[10:39] Right.
[10:41] And then occasionally he'd get to do something courageous,
[10:43] which would help his, his fear stuff.
[10:46] To use it's like self-esteem issues.
[10:48] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[10:49] Okay.
[10:51] I'm glad I got over that.
[10:56] Should we, should we break down psychologically all of the way to the poo characters?
[11:01] I mean, not today, but that's a different show for sure.
[11:05] But, uh, this is going to get deep.