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Episode 85 · March 20, 2021

Bulging Vessel

A host's dad asks where "bought the farm" and "kick the bucket" come from, and the hosts find some darker answers.

“Jesus invented buckets. That's correct.” (17:12)

Questions

Where does the phrase "bought the farm" come from? (01:08)

Our guess
Soldiers who planned to buy a farm after the war, or a dead person's farm being sold, or an insurance payout letting family pay off the farm.
Reveal the answer
The answer
The most accepted etymology is that wartime pilots dreamed of buying a farm after the war, and when one was killed, the insurance payout or military pension allowed his family to pay it off.
Verdict right

Where does the phrase "kick the bucket" come from? (04:55)

Our guess
The bucket as a container of life that spills when kicked over, from cartoons, or a firefighter's bucket.
Reveal the answer
The answer
Theories include someone standing on a bucket to hang themselves, and an older meaning of "bucket" as a wooden beam in a barn roof where slaughtered animals were hung, with the animal kicking it.
Verdict partly

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Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] Oh, we do under Google rules that was the player super excited told us we had to
[00:12] we said we signed up for it in the end it's gonna be better and more true than
[00:21] Google can give you so dad asked us the other day and I thought it was pretty
[00:27] good and I didn't Google it because I've got to talk to you guys dad doesn't know
[00:33] the answer yet either he's waiting patiently for us to give him the answer do
[00:39] you know it's patiently or are you just oh you could be super pissed but he's not
[00:42] so that's the thing you know you particularly these days you call up any
[00:47] service or any company and they just say thank you for your patience like before
[00:52] even it doesn't matter how impatient you are how angry you are and that makes me
[00:56] madder when I pick up my cell phone I say thanks for holding anyway I digress
[01:08] yes me today where does bought the farm come from the phrase bought the farm that
[01:16] means somebody has died right kicks the bucket or died right actually that's a
[01:26] kick the buckets a good one too so I'd like a two-fer I like a two-fer I just
[01:31] yeah I want to bought the farm and kick the bucket why are those death let's
[01:36] start with bought the farm let's just let's just try to make it cleaner and
[01:40] easier let's start with that one then we'll try to guess to kick the bucket
[01:42] one so is this is this a long lines of a when he when you put a dog to sleep and
[01:53] you the the euphemism is that you send it to a farm upstate upstate yep so that
[02:01] was what talk about people it's they bought their farm they bought their bit
[02:05] of land in heaven ooh they're a bit of land in heaven okay I like maybe I
[02:13] don't know no I like that a lot I had something darker in mind like it used to
[02:18] be that in this country like the founding fathers were very interested in not being
[02:22] able to pass on a lot of money to your kids mm-hmm right so likely if you died
[02:29] in on a bunch of real estate that would get sold out from under you
[02:32] immediately when you died okay I went immediately to a much darker place I
[02:37] like yours so when you die somebody else's by that's somebody bought your
[02:42] farm that means you kicked the bucket okay I like that because I was
[02:48] disappointed in myself that my vision of heaven was land ownership and also
[02:56] farming that's a lot of work yeah but it's easy you know what oh in heaven it's
[03:03] easy I would have it okay yeah it's like take care of themselves and have yeah
[03:08] and then you know crap gold the cows farm animals and stuff my dad's theory was
[03:16] which I thought wasn't bad was that wartime guys we're gonna once they got
[03:25] out of the war their plan was to go you know buy a farm and start a family sure
[03:30] and so when they died that maybe it became a euphemism yeah he went
[03:36] ahead and bought that farm yeah yeah that's which I thought was a pretty good
[03:39] guess I really like that a lot yeah I do like that so I don't know if that's the
[03:45] right answer he doesn't know he's waiting on us but Joey Joey what do you
[03:50] think the way so explain that again so like you're saying like like so like if
[03:55] you're if you went off to war and you're like when I get back to the states you
[03:59] know I'm gonna buy that farm and marry that girl and live that life and so it
[04:04] sort of became a euphemism when they died that you know when somebody died
[04:07] in war that their their comrades would be like oh well he went ahead and bought
[04:11] that farm not dissimilar to Jason's right really right which is he's get to
[04:19] he gets to now go to that farm in the sky I mean let's face it guys if guys
[04:24] not a capitalist do any of us want to go to heaven okay that was just for Charlie
[04:52] this one this one I think needs some context in what sense I mean just like you
[05:00] know I don't know how you know I don't think the the phrase itself leads itself
[05:07] to it seemingly there's very little connecting the the meaning to the phrase
[05:17] you know well okay so we have a couple clues one is death and two is farming so
[05:25] Mesopotamia is a good place to start probably from you who's buying farms the
[05:33] other thing is sort of akin to the the soldier that wants to buy the farm when he
[05:38] gets back you know a fair amount of agrarian culture in the world is like
[05:48] not indentured servitude that's not the right word but um like share cropping or
[05:56] something like that where the idea was that you would work the land and
[05:59] eventually you would pay off your debt and you would get the land or something
[06:03] like that being the end the end goal at some level and if you died early then
[06:09] that's you know whatever I'm also trying to think of weird financial
[06:13] mechanisms which may mean that like you're more or less indebted by
[06:19] actually dying actually yeah okay so if you die and that somehow gets you a
[06:25] burst of money like with insurance and then your kids can have the farm like
[06:30] your death actually bought the farm ah okay yeah because of it basically you
[06:36] it's your you spent your entire life in dentured servitude or yeah share
[06:40] cropping so what you tell me is entire phrase is based on insurance fraud yes oh
[06:51] yeah yeah Jimmy bought the phone well let's let's work on the other one for a
[07:01] second let's think about kick the bucket okay came from cartoons bucket you break
[07:10] your neck you die I mean it's yeah for sure that 1000% he's already got it he's
[07:17] done so so in a cartoon if you kick a bucket it's like a banana peel thing oh
[07:22] yeah okay oh yeah are you like stepping on rakes and stuff oh yeah running into
[07:29] the the canyon wall but painted the highway going through it how is the road
[07:41] runner not gotten off or not got in charge with at least manslaughter you know
[07:45] you can't catch him Joey that's why and also there's no body cuz while the
[07:49] coyote keeps coming back there's a there's a there's some warrants out there
[07:53] but you got to get him you got to get him in custody first before you can charge
[07:56] him yeah he's got no arms it's hard to cuff I know and those ankles are so thin
[08:00] I mean good like ankle cuffing him mm-hmm I was thinking that it's the
[08:12] bucket of life and that you've kicked it and it's it's spilled spilled over and
[08:18] there's no more life in the book I like that a lot I was thinking similar than
[08:22] that and like the bucket list so like you have this bucket list related and then
[08:29] when you when you kick the bucket there's all of the list falls out is what I was
[08:34] thinking but not instead of like all the life but it'd be your bucket list would
[08:37] fall out and be done I mean yeah I may piggyback on Jason a little bit and
[08:41] say maybe when there's nothing left then you just get top let over sort of a
[08:46] thing okay oh that's good what what was in his run out that's your life force or
[08:51] whatever the metaphor here is sure yeah yeah if it's if there's nothing in the
[08:58] bucket it doesn't need to be upright can be easily blown over yeah hmm that's
[09:08] good I like that all comes back to physics okay when the winner buckets
[09:14] would have buckets get real popular some ever since yeah we've been able to
[09:21] make clay things and wooden things too right we can make buckets of everything
[09:26] yeah people ever since there was like water and you wanted to transport water
[09:31] back to your is like basically the first thing that you wanted to do yeah okay
[09:37] okay but this raises the question whether that's whether a bucket versus a pot
[09:44] my understanding of a bucket is it has a handle yeah sure hot doesn't have a
[09:51] handle I mean that's my understanding of the difference between a pot and a
[09:56] bucket no pots have handles no I'm feeling like that goes without animals
[10:01] there's this okay what kind of bucket has no handle what's the difference
[10:05] with a puck in the pot then I mean generally I would say the pot is made
[10:09] out of some sort of ceramic or something but again these are words
[10:12] that we created long after the Samaria it's so it's sort of arbitrary right well
[10:18] and that's I guess that I I guess I'm being a little to that point right which
[10:24] is the word bucket comes in at some point so and it's not in Samaria at
[10:32] what point do we distinguish our modes of carrying water between so you just want
[10:38] to know the the etymology of bucket no I'm trying to figure out an era when
[10:45] bucket becomes the etymology for that type of thing carrying water or milk or
[10:53] wine or whatever we're carrying it when we got good at what are the dudes called
[10:59] who craft wood who make casts and stuff what are those homies called whittlers no
[11:06] no there's people the people who make like barrels and stuff Oh barrel makers
[11:12] thanks next one's barriers is very I think that sounds yeah yeah that's right
[11:18] okay oh also hoppers I think hoopers hoopers for sure hoopers do things like
[11:29] that too not hoppers which I just had the hopper one I can't remember what it
[11:37] put in the hopper that was that was a Cooper Cooper Cooper yes the word I was
[11:43] looking yeah yeah yeah yeah shout out Deanna Cooper yes Deanna Cooper hey like
[11:55] deserved yeah that's right okay so we're going to okay let's so let's recap so
[12:02] bought the farm our consensus is that it's something about your passing either
[12:09] allows you to achieve your dream of buying the farm or your kids now are
[12:18] able to get the farm I really like I really like your dad's and Jason's
[12:23] which is the existential farm yes the existential farm okay okay and then
[12:30] kick the bucket we think is the the your your life you can think of as a bucket
[12:36] of things that are gonna happen to you and by the end there's you've done all
[12:42] the things and and it gets or if you haven't it's still kicked over but so
[12:49] again I want to get back to this bucket thing though I want to say like if I
[12:53] feel like buckets firemen had buckets what if what are men still have buckets
[12:59] so what if the fireman knocks over the bucket then they can't put out the fire
[13:04] and then everybody dies I'm sorry I didn't follow I didn't follow that so if the
[13:11] fireman kicks over the bucket and the water goes out they can't put out the
[13:15] fire and everybody dies like oh man you really kicked the bucket exactly now
[13:20] burn gotcha I mean my only objection is that I mean there was a time when fire
[13:28] fighting was like handing buckets down a lot of humans but one particular bucket
[13:35] wouldn't have made a huge difference in that fair enough yeah you make a good
[13:40] call Google so it's wily coyote then all right maybe the the idea that yeah
[13:53] kicking over the bucket as a mistake right could be the end of something
[13:58] something kicked over the bucket and now there's a spill on the floor and now
[14:05] somebody comes on and slips on it and bangs her head and you know it's a
[14:09] Looney tune or yeah if you had something really vital in the bucket that we needed
[14:14] to survive like this is the last bucket of milk right right maybe that's too
[14:23] literal though the kicking the bucket would kill everybody I don't know when do
[14:32] we think these terms came around I like that I think we should answer that real
[14:36] fast and then we should look it up I think bought the farm is so dad would
[14:43] was saying wartime and what do you think maybe which which war you know I mean
[14:51] there's been a million wars maybe a great war let's say let's say civil war okay
[14:59] are you saying like World War two but no the great World War one or one yeah
[15:06] because I mean pretty much everybody's a farmer prior that's like that's like a
[15:12] yeah because yeah because we'll have the World War two there's industrialization
[15:16] and all that stuff yeah yeah okay all right so let's go World War one on that
[15:22] if that's our theory that's a pretty pretty reasonable guess if it's
[15:30] insurance fraud whenever insurance started
[15:36] so you're saying insurance goes back a long time yeah I don't exactly know when
[15:42] insurance came in but let's go with that right insurance that's that's the next
[15:47] under Google yeah but uh okay I think it started with the the invention of the
[15:55] bucket which again no no no no I understand that you're saying no I
[16:01] understand what you're saying that that we created vessels to carry water since
[16:06] the dawn of time once we started referring to something specifically as a
[16:10] bucket and what do you think that was this is what I'm saying I'm probably I'm
[16:16] gonna say just a random guess here 1483 I think that's the ticket kick the
[16:27] buckets around then anybody else have a different guess well I mean you say 1843
[16:36] 1484 it's like I don't feel like that's the time when we discovered how to make
[16:41] wood into a bucket like it either happened 800 years before then 400 years
[16:47] after you think like you don't think you don't think even less technology like
[17:01] ancient Egypt oh yeah yeah I mean you don't think Jesus had access to a bucket
[17:05] okay all right fair enough fair enough all right he was a he was a carpenter
[17:12] you think buckets didn't exist okay Oh God in the form of Jesus during you
[17:18] definitely know how to make buck you're right all right okay so Jesus invented
[17:23] buckets that's correct at least we have our history down Jesus everything he's
[17:32] amazing okay but this is good World War two era from the Air Force so your dad
[17:46] was right basically he nailed this thing like a bucket that soldiers had a dream
[17:53] of saving up to go home and buy the farm after the war but deceased let's
[18:02] see but the deceased pilot received a small plot of land automatically oh oh
[18:08] okay so your actual death bought you a farm oh wow and also ahead of leave
[18:16] mental etymology holds that the insurance payout to the soldiers
[18:21] beneficiaries and or the military pension provided to the brief dependence
[18:26] may have ironically fulfilled his old dream and allowed his surviving family
[18:30] to pay off all lands so everyone is right yeah thanks so that is never happened
[18:37] before that is amazing I give extra props to pops Coles and on that oh yeah oh he
[18:42] nailed nailed yeah yeah but everybody got a little piece of pie there he should
[18:46] probably be on under Google Bulls cuz apparently he's better at this than we
[18:49] are but shut up pops
[18:57] kick the bucket I should be helping so I'm just sitting here drinking one
[19:07] theory a person standing on a pail or bucket with their head in a slip news
[19:12] yet kick the bucket that is dark I found one that it has to do with an older
[19:20] meaning of bucket that refers to the wooden beam often found in a barn roof
[19:25] where an animal carcass might be hung not happy but less dark yeah to kick the
[19:35] bucket then see device the pigs death through yeah this is dark stuff man
[19:42] don't let's let's let's end the show on what just happened let's just stop yeah
[19:47] I liked it when everyone was a winner and things were happy yeah you're right
[19:53] yeah it's it's that slaughter animals it's no good well slightly better than
[20:02] slaughtering humans yeah and it seems like that one is more likely this
[20:08] source so the the handle on a bucket is generally called a bail which is
[20:14] generally considered a defining feature so okay a proper bucket should have yes
[20:21] there's a hole in the bucket I think that's the only time I've been right all
[20:30] day so shout out to me good one but you know well no I guess those but those
[20:40] mock buckets they do have it the ones with the bringers in them you know I
[20:45] guess they also have a bail yep they do for sure you're right buckets were
[20:52] former so if you go back to the etymology of the word the old French
[20:56] bouquet bucket which is from Frank ish do you have an old English cognate
[21:02] pitcher or bulging vessel original belly buckets were formerly made of leather
[21:06] as well as wood so that makes sense yeah I'm also bulging vessel was my
[21:15] nickname high school no it was not all right to get out of here what is what
[21:29] is wrong with you