Honor Is Besmirched

[00:04] Oh, we do under Google rules. That was the play of super excited told us we had to
[00:12] We signed up for it
[00:16] In the end it's gonna be better and more true than Google can give you
[00:20] We got first week
[00:22] so
[00:24] This came up during last summer
[00:28] You know, I'm this was well documented that I'm a Marvel fan
[00:32] and
[00:35] Everybody saw
[00:36] in game
[00:38] Avengers in game
[00:39] And then us had the infinity gauntlet
[00:43] Okay, so it started made me think
[00:47] There are two phrases that I've heard all my life
[00:50] one is throw down the gauntlet and
[00:53] two is
[00:55] run the gauntlet
[00:57] Okay, and so in my head
[01:02] I was thinking that the gauntlet was something that you brave
[01:05] It was like it was like something you had to true
[01:08] Traverse or travail like did you had to experience a difficult thing the gauntlet and you were gonna run it. Mm-hmm
[01:15] and so I
[01:17] Don't know how running the gauntlet is connecting to throw down the gauntlet
[01:22] Whereas if I believe that the gauntlet is this thing that like they would wear with infinity stones on it
[01:29] Maybe a knight would wear it. I could see how you would throw it down
[01:32] And say I want to fight you
[01:34] But why am I running a gauntlet and are these things connected? Is it the same language?
[01:39] Is it one of those weird things that we you know?
[01:42] You know anyway
[01:43] I want to know the history of the word gauntlet and I want to know how running the gauntlet is connected to throwing down
[01:49] the gauntlet
[01:53] Good questions
[01:54] Might my guess is that they're related terms. They got transmutated at some point
[01:59] Okay, they're like yeah one came before the other and then they
[02:04] Right. So do we agree that the gauntlet is is a medieval?
[02:09] Sort of metal glove just like Thanos was wearing that maybe a knight would wear
[02:15] Is that what we would call a gauntlet? I think so. Yeah, I
[02:21] Guess so. I don't know to my knowledge and so it's growing down the gauntlet
[02:25] You could see would be throwing that off because you want to fight somebody man to man they throw down the gauntlet. It's like
[02:32] But I said that like throwing down the gauntlet meant like
[02:38] Setting up a challenge for somebody why did you so though?
[02:42] I've always thought that as well because of run the gauntlet
[02:45] But then when I was starting to think about Thanos with the gauntlet when he said throw down the gauntlet
[02:50] I was sort of like oh, well, maybe that's a different maybe I've misunderstood the phrase my entire life
[02:54] And that's why I was asking this question. I've never I guess I've never really
[02:58] Though the phrase I've heard much more is I run, you know run run the gauntlet like
[03:03] Yeah, there's just a long series of difficult challenges
[03:06] You got to get there right like such as the game gauntlet from back in the day. Oh the game guy
[03:13] Yeah, okay, but that's it's a series of difficult challenges, right?
[03:18] You got your
[03:19] Wizards and it's like a medieval, you know fantasy type thing
[03:22] So that goes back to the idea that it might be just a medieval piece of hardware
[03:27] Well, I mean but the game I don't know that it's it's more about a series of challenges, right? No, no, I
[03:35] It's not glove. I always thought of gauntlet as a series of challenges, but now when I'm looking at the gauntlet glove, right?
[03:42] I'm going is it connected? Yeah, I don't that part. I I don't know
[03:48] and it would make more sense, uh
[03:51] sort of
[03:54] Vernacularly to throw that down as opposed to throw down a series of challenges, but to throw off your gauntlet, right?
[04:00] Right, but maybe it was yet maybe maybe the act of of throwing off your gauntlet was a challenge in and of itself
[04:09] and so then
[04:10] you know what it like when you would take off your glove and like
[04:14] Slap somebody in the face or something. Oh like that to like challenge them to a duel or something
[04:19] Like it's a kiss that and then it got like sort of like moved from that to like, okay
[04:25] I'm gonna throw down the gauntlet and what I'm gonna do is here is its series of challenges for you and like that's okay
[04:31] I could see that
[04:33] Okay, so so we're so let's say it's medieval times
[04:37] We're at medieval times. We're eating a drumstick. Great. Great and
[04:41] We're having a good old time
[04:43] and
[04:45] the the knight throws off his gauntlet and he says
[04:50] I'm gonna fight you in a series of
[04:54] Escalating duels. That's right to prove our manhood. Okay. Okay
[04:59] So not necessarily fight man to man, but we're gonna go through a series of challenges, right?
[05:03] We're gonna do like American gladiator kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah
[05:08] You could see how that would be a thing that Knights did when somebody's honor was
[05:13] Besmirched I'm assuming their honor was besmirched every day from the TV shows I've seen a lot of a lot of gauntlets
[05:20] they're constantly having to like
[05:23] Defend themselves and like right in their honor and like right they kiss the wrong hand and all of a sudden somebody's offended
[05:30] Now you got a joust. Yeah. Yeah, then you need a squire
[05:34] It seems like and I think if I remember the video game, right? You have to write an ostrich to just I don't
[05:39] Know the game work. I don't know the video game. I don't know you played the same game that I did
[05:44] Oh joust. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I
[05:48] Thought you're talking about gauntlet. Oh, no, no the joust video game joust. You're on a ostrich
[05:55] It's a little fuzzy
[05:56] You were drinking too much back in the day. I don't don't know that I was drinking at that age
[06:04] Okay, any theories on this do we think it's goes back beyond it's it's French clearly, right?
[06:09] Gauntlet gauntlet. It feels like a French word to me at least
[06:16] You know GA UN it's very
[06:21] Fresh French to me
[06:23] So this is wildly interesting. Okay, so you are correct gauntlet
[06:28] The glove style comes from the old French gaunt which meant glove
[06:34] And so that's like it off an armored glove as worn by a medieval knight
[06:41] As in used in the phrases, you know, he threw down the gauntlet or take up the gauntlet to accept to
[06:49] Challenge or accept the channel. I've not heard take up the gauntlet, but I like it. You don't know the challenge
[06:56] The going through an intimidating or dangerous crowd place or experience in order to reach a goal
[07:03] Comes from old Swedish
[07:06] what what the Swedish word gata meant lane and
[07:11] lop meant course that which got smushed into gaunt lop
[07:17] Which then in English was gaunt lope and then got transmutated into gaunt lit in the mid
[07:24] 17th century. So not really related not completely not really related
[07:30] Yeah, this is why we're this is why I'm confused. Yeah, this is why we've been confused our entire lives
[07:35] Run the gauntlet versus thread. I got let we assumed were the same thing, but they're completely opposite, right?
[07:41] Well not opposite, but yeah, but yeah, so what is running? What is running a gauntlet meme in Swedish times like
[07:50] in the 17th century
[07:52] So it seems like it was a form of military punishment is what I'm getting
[08:01] In which the offender was made to run between two rows of men who struck him with switches for weapons as he passed
[08:09] Could they hit him with a gauntlet?
[08:13] They could
[08:14] You'll cut that out, right?
[08:16] Yeah, no, that's that's unfortunately. That's my level of humor first recorded in
[08:22] 1670 to 1680 in that usage. It's a war crime now
[08:27] You can't just run between switches and I think people can't like
[08:31] Beat you like that. It's rude. I mean, it's rude, but is it a war crime? I think so
[08:39] Who's gonna toughen you up not the Hague that's who
[08:45] This is okay. Good. I well done like you had answered it yourself until I did
[08:50] But I knew something was wrong with it and I didn't know what to do and it was Sweden was the was the problem
[08:56] I knew there was a friend to see all the Swedes are fucking shit
[09:01] Bergen Bergen
[09:07] Have you been to the organ learn farts
[09:10] So we pretty much nailed this. Yeah, no, that was that was that was easy
[09:15] Sorry, I meant to make it harder than that
[09:18] But I just I was nervous and I needed to ask you guys for googling it so okay. Do you guys glad you guys?
[09:24] Want to help me?
[09:26] Yeah, the Swedes had a different version
[09:29] Yeah, and then at some point in the Middle Ages, we just decided it was the same word. Well to be fair
[09:36] It was never the same in Swedish like they had their own fair enough
[09:39] They had their own terms. It was the English that screwed it up, right?
[09:43] So the French did something and the Swedes did something and then the English like gone lope gauntlet
[09:49] It sounds like the same thing. Let's make it the same word. Yeah
[09:52] Like Native Americans are Indians like it's fine. West, you know Pumas are mountain lions. Yeah, it's all the same. It's fine
[10:02] Yeah
[10:03] Shout out to England good work for making for screwing up language for thousands of years. Yeah
[10:10] All right. Well, I think we learned I think we learned a lot today
[10:16] Hmm
[10:19] Somewhere in there there's a nugget of something I
[10:22] Had to throw down the gauntlet on that one. Okay, I'm ready for the I
[10:29] Want to hear it to run through a gauntlet? No, no punishment for that
[10:35] Hey grab those switches I'm gonna take up the gauntlet. Mm-hmm. I like that. I've never heard that
[10:41] I haven't ever heard that so if you throw it down at the challenge if you pick it up you accept the challenge
[10:46] Yeah, that's a phrase that apparently exists that I've never heard you pick up someone else's glove
[10:53] I mean it sounds familiar, but it sounds like something that I have never said because I don't like you know accepting challenges