Episode 64 · October 24, 2020
Look Inside My Basket
The hosts try to work out how mattress sizes got named king, queen, twin and double, and learn it was mostly marketing.
“It's marketing, dude. It's always marketing.” (14:30)
Questions
Why are mattress sizes named twin, double, queen and king, and how did they get standardized? (01:05)
Our guess
Kings had bigger beds than queens, and the Industrial Revolution standardized sizes; the rest is salesmen marketing.
Kings had bigger beds than queens, and the Industrial Revolution standardized sizes; the rest is salesmen marketing.
Reveal the answer
The answer
Mostly marketing. Everyone slept in twin or double beds until the 1940s, and bigger sizes (queen, king, California King) were introduced between about 1941 and 1965 in the consumer boom. The word "mattress" comes from the Arabic "matrah", and spring mattresses were patented in 1865.
Mostly marketing. Everyone slept in twin or double beds until the 1940s, and bigger sizes (queen, king, California King) were introduced between about 1941 and 1965 in the consumer boom. The word "mattress" comes from the Arabic "matrah", and spring mattresses were patented in 1865.
Verdict partly
Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] All right, I think it's time Coalson. We got another under Google [00:05] Oh, we do under Google rules. That was the play of super excited told us we had to [00:19] We said we signed up for it in the end, it's gonna be better and more true than Google can give you [00:27] Oh my goodness. This is so exciting. It is the first under Google of the season. I [00:33] Spent all summer just storing these things, you know [00:37] Yeah, something I want to Google something. I don't know about and I just waiting. Can you explain how you store things in my phone? Oh [00:44] And sometimes in my brain [00:47] Mostly I assume that you like wrote it on your wall and crayon. I wrote it on my arm [00:55] He doesn't have a home so you can't use the wall [00:59] I did shut that down [01:02] You got to set the time [01:05] I have to paint [01:11] But so this week I've got a question for you, okay, that's typically [01:20] Bed sizes [01:23] That's a statement. How did they come? [01:25] Okay, why are they named king queen twin and double where did they come about how did we [01:34] Relegate these sizes how we decide of how big a bed was and why are they named what they are? [01:39] Where did this come from? We used to all sleep on rocks and then on dirt rocks and then we never saw rocks and then [01:49] And then we slipped in bales of hay and then suddenly somehow that became a [01:55] Mattress with that was, you know sized and labeled and I want to know how that happened [02:00] I want to know the history of them. I don't know the history of the match. Yes the history of the mattress industry go [02:11] There's no way we started out sleeping on rocks [02:21] Dirt rock is a pre rock I guess [02:24] It hasn't been pressured [02:31] Was it a post-rock [02:35] So my my [02:38] recollection of [02:41] Whenever I would have learned about this was you know, like [02:44] straw mattresses [02:46] Back in the day like like if you go to like Connor Prairie or something like that, right? [02:52] There will be like some a really crappy mattress that is like stuffed with straw [02:56] So surrounded by cloth from Indiana Connor Prairie is like old-style village. Oh, right. Yeah, sorry [03:04] That you can go if it's educational. Yeah educational time travel like walking into the [03:12] 1780s. Yeah, something like that. And they churn butter and stuff like that. Exactly. Yeah, and they also have a hot air balloon [03:19] What? Oh, really? Yeah, that's new. Yeah, I went I went up in it like a month ago [03:29] How was that I've never been in a hot air balloon scared the hell out of me really oh, yeah [03:35] I'm not a real. I'm not a real big fan of those things [03:38] You didn't know that until you were in a blue specifically. Oh, no, I knew ahead of time that it was that I was not [03:45] because of the Heights [03:47] Yeah, I'm not yeah, I don't love Heights and then also [03:52] Human right and you're also in a basket [03:56] Yeah, it was [04:00] It was cool I could I mean I could see downtown from Noblesville it's a pretty far distance [04:06] But one thing was it was on a tether [04:10] But I I did not know [04:13] That there was a like an operator a pilot I guess is what they were called [04:16] I did not realize like someone was on there controlling it [04:21] so I was more nervous because of that ahead of time, but then I [04:25] Learned that somebody there that knew what they were doing. They didn't share this with you up front [04:29] That seems like yeah, that was gonna be Mike [04:31] I knew there would be a guy there like, you know pulling the cord to you know [04:35] Fire the engine and yeah, my thing was like how awkward was it to be in close quarters? [04:42] With like just a complete stranger, right? Cuz how big is the basket? [04:48] We put like we had like [04:51] It was like a cage. It was like maybe ten people would go up at once [05:06] Now it was like it was like a enclosed, you know [05:11] Encloshed yeah like it like a like a child. Did they lock you in? [05:17] Yeah, it was like it was like being you're not gonna you're gonna you're not gonna break out and jump out [05:22] You know what I mean? Like yeah, they would need to lock you in [05:26] For safety maybe that's for safety. Yeah [05:30] Is it was for safety and you went up? I want to say [05:35] 125 [05:37] Meters or something. Okay, so it wasn't [05:41] But it still is go back to Europe with your metric system. Come on [05:47] Okay, that's [05:49] That's not crazy. Hi. Yeah, it's times three kind of floating [05:54] Yeah, it's like an extreme roller coaster. I guess it's yeah, it was kind of windy, too [06:01] And also you didn't know there was a professional on board like that's sort of in and of itself concerning [06:06] Yeah, well, I learned it before I went up but [06:09] Okay, but not you know, like that's like kind of what tipped me over the edge to say yes to go [06:16] They thought they were just gonna they were gonna release you into the wind [06:20] Well, it's like you it was how to get this thing back [06:24] It was it was like on this like steel rope like tether. So I thought they were just like [06:31] Like controlling it from the ground, you know, just kind of letting it out [06:35] but [06:37] But anyway, and then they were gonna reel you back in [06:40] Yeah, that's what I thought was gonna right? What was the question? [06:45] Mattresses [06:48] Anyway, so there's bad old mattresses at counter prayer. Yeah, so they're just stuffed with hay surrounded by some sort of cloth [06:55] Right and that's that's that's your bed, right? [06:58] Is that it starts on the ground before somebody builds a bed before that? [07:04] so I would imagine that most [07:07] Mattresses started out in the twin size and that early on like somebody came up with some sort of manufacturing process [07:14] I mean early in the [07:17] After the Industrial Revolution somebody came up with a manufacturing process and said this is a twin size mattress, right and then [07:28] Really wealthy people I'm assuming pushed the for the larger mattresses. I [07:34] Mean there weren't legitimately kings and queens back then [07:38] True and they yeah, probably still didn't sleep together. I mean, this is my question [07:45] why are they called kings and queens and why and how did it get standardized from a [07:50] bale of hay to [07:52] Certain sizes because the bed frames have to be made the same size as the mattresses and everybody has to work [07:57] I mean, that's just what the Industrial Revolution does. Okay standardized. Yes [08:01] The light bulbs are of a certain yeah, right. Okay size and like yeah [08:06] Industries are just like okay. This is the way we're gonna do it [08:09] Just we're all gonna do the same so that all our crap works together [08:12] Well, then why are there ten hot dogs and eight hot dog buns, you know, I [08:17] Mean that I mean, that's a long-standing [08:20] Feud between the the bun company and the subsidiaries of the hot dog [08:28] No, it's definitely just a mess with you. Oh, is it just to make me buy more? Okay [08:35] To buy that extra thing of buns [08:37] Just yeah, but I do suspect that behind the names of the king and queen that you know [08:45] Historically kings and queens did not actually cohabitate [08:48] Like back then in the religious like this uber religious monarchies [08:56] Like sex was dirty, right? Like you're not gonna sleep with somebody every night. You do it only to procreate [09:01] So most of the time you got sleep apart [09:03] King has the bigger bed cuz he's the king and queen has a smaller bed cuz [09:09] She's the queen queen. I guess we don't like females. We hate smaller and [09:15] The double is probably like her room was smaller to you know, like everything's all like everything was crappier as a queen for sure [09:23] Yeah, okay, and the double is not actually twice the size of a twin, right? Or is it? [09:30] a [09:31] full a full is [09:33] Twice so there's two terms for that the full and a double I think are the same. Okay, it is twice the size of a twin [09:39] maybe [09:40] Well, man, we're pursuing no [09:45] Right, but is it the single called a twin [09:48] Yeah, see this is this is complicated, right? Why is it why is a single a twin and a double a full? [09:54] I mean you're making a lot of presumptions about the logic of the mattress industry. Okay [10:01] All right. So our guess is that the size of the the mattresses were named after [10:07] Kings having bigger beds and Queens having some I'm gonna go much much simpler [10:11] I'm gonna go with mattress salesmen are like used car salesmen the best terms that they can think of [10:16] Okay, and nothing in the industrial revolution. They did standardize standardized sizes for beds and mattresses [10:24] Not necessarily they just a revolution, but whenever mattresses became mass-produced. Yes [10:30] And then [10:32] Yes, sometime like in the 60s. Somebody came up with the California King or something [10:38] Just to like make life harder. Is that and that's bigger than a [10:41] Non-California King. Yeah, I think it's bigger. I believe so. Yeah, it's wider, but I don't know if it's same length and [10:50] Then and then we invented the Roy Hibbert bed. Yes, really just a bouncy bouncy castle. Yeah, that's right [10:56] Okay, that hasn't caught on yet. We haven't made our millions tonight [11:02] So when okay before we look this up did did things go from hay to horse hair [11:10] Yeah down there was somewhere. Oh, yeah down feathers. Yes, and then and then wool [11:18] And things like that [11:20] Yeah, I'm guessing that yeah went through many [11:23] iterations [11:25] much of this pushed by the [11:29] landed gentry in [11:31] Like England [11:33] Hence things are called kings and queens. Okay, so I'm finding [11:37] I haven't found much so far, but I have found that in the 40s [11:43] the idea of [11:46] Making mattresses bigger came about so the idea of [11:52] Everybody slept in in twin or double beds [11:55] up until the 40s and then in the [11:59] Consumeristic 50s basically people just were like yeah [12:03] You need a bigger bed. Yeah, let's sleep you in a queen or a king [12:08] So also these terms do not in any way apply across the world, right? [12:13] So you've got North America South America Europe. I mean Portugal Switzerland have their own stuff [12:19] like [12:21] Kind of weirdo [12:23] although I can't tell you this [12:25] With mattress mark dot CA certainty. Hmm. Mm-hmm [12:31] Beds made of goats goat skins filled with water are used in Persia in [12:37] 3600 BCE Wow the first water bed [12:41] According to mattress Mart. Yes, and I do trust Matt mattress part. Don't you? [12:47] The word mattress derives from the Arabic [12:54] Matra, which means something thrown down or a place where something is thrown down and hence Matt cushion [13:02] during the Crusades Europeans adopted the Arabic method of sleeping on cushions on the floor and [13:08] The word mattress eventually descended in the Middle English through the romance languages [13:13] The oldest known mattresses date to around [13:18] 77,000 years ago, so not a lot of dirt rocks in the mix [13:22] So what would what were they were sleeping on before? [13:27] What were the Europeans sleeping on before the Crusades [13:32] Like just a sheep [13:35] The method of sleeping on cushions on the pile of sheep [13:40] I mean something they yeah [13:45] Sure probably carpets carpets blankets skins skins [13:52] Well, but they had the there was the story that the princess in the pee, right? I must go back to [14:00] Long time ago where they stacked mattresses on top of it, but she could still [14:05] be right [14:06] Were those spring mattresses? [14:09] No, I don't think spring mattress came about until [14:13] 1865 the first oil spring construction for bedding is patented [14:21] Interesting [14:23] Early mattresses contained a variety of materials including straw feathers a horse hair in the first half of 20th century [14:30] A typical mattress sold in North America and in the spring core and cotton batting or fiber fill [14:36] So Joey wins it with the horse hair [14:41] Where's hair one and nothing does that answer your question sort of I mean [14:47] I just I thought there'd be some sort of reason behind this it's marketing dude. It's always marketing always. Yeah [14:55] Yeah, actually I see one here. Did you guys see the article in bed times magazine calm? [15:03] No, but I want to hear I did see that okay. Yeah, it's it was marketing in between 1941 and 1965 [15:12] Okay [15:13] Okay, guys. I have a full this is from the [15:17] Mattress page on Wikipedia. Okay, but I'm gonna give you a full listing of all the standard bed sizes. Okay [15:24] Smallest one is a crib and I didn't realize that was like a standard there's like a standard for crib [15:29] I know they were just like whatever they wanted 27 inches by 52 [15:34] Really? You got a crib? [15:36] Yeah, that's like four by two. That seems huge for a baby [15:41] Yeah [15:43] So you can get you got a gorilla. Oh, yeah, they make babies big these days. You got to make room for you know [15:50] outlets [15:54] You got your twins their twin size and then there's a twin XL [15:59] Which is the same width but five inches longer [16:04] Then you got your full [16:06] your queen your king and the California King and the California King is actually so it's [16:14] Less wide but longer. Ah [16:18] Or is it this so it's it's less wide so yeah, it's four inches narrower and four inches longer [16:26] We hear yeah, just for super [16:30] It's for the it's so it's the thin tall people of California. Yeah, jerks jerks [16:37] Nailed it [16:43] All right [16:47] Remember when Miles Turner was growing like [16:50] He's still growing while he was on our team, right? Yeah, but like his parents claimed they could hear him growing while he slept. Yeah [16:58] Like that's why you get a crib that's four feet long [17:03] You gotta buy you gotta buy your junior high kid a California King so they can grow into a seven-foot body [17:13] Right, yeah, yeah, I spend money to make money. Yeah, I'm saying [17:21] Look a bond to California King mattress right now so you can grow into it [17:28] So I can get that 80 so I get that 80 mil payoff Joey's gonna turn it [17:33] Whatever man. All right. I think that should wrap it up for this show [18:02] You can you can find us on social media we are at under beatables on Twitter. We're on facebook.com slash [18:10] the under beatables [18:12] website the under beatables calm [18:14] There's a contact form there. You can send us a message [18:18] And wherever you're listened if you can [18:21] Review us or share this episode [18:24] Just a pacer fan in your life [18:28] And you can grab a t-shirt on the website [18:32] For our once and always coach Bobby sick Leonard now in the Hall of Fame [18:36] Turn out the lights the parties over [18:40] Yeah, I'm unclear as to why that there's a hot air balloon in [18:49] Connor Prairie. Yeah, I don't think they had those [18:56] That's cuz it was a big open they have a big open fields out there that's the best place to let them off [19:02] That's probably what it is [19:04] To let who off you off the [19:08] Hot air balloon hot air, but it's 125 meters. You don't want to like run into trees like immediately. Yeah [19:16] You you agree with that? I? [19:21] Mean in principle [19:23] Why are hot air balloon? You know when you go to the optometrists and you have to do that, uh, I [19:31] Don't know. There's always a hot air balloon. You like looking the machine [19:35] It's always the hot air. I think they're supposed to be soothing. They're very they're very they're fun [19:39] Yeah, I don't get soothing for my optometrist very often. Oh [19:45] Well, I was thinking as you look at a soothing image like because you get like hot air balloon calendars and things like that [19:50] Like that's a thing [19:53] Like the sexy ones [20:00] Are you gonna go as a sexy hot air balloon next Halloween? [20:03] Remind me cuz I will if you okay [20:08] I'm not sure what that looks like, but I'll figure it out [20:11] I'm sure you will [20:16] You want to see inside my basket? Oh [20:19] my god [20:21] Jason this song you