Darth Weber

[00:00] Coalson. I think it's time the world knows about your plans for the end of Googles.
[00:09] What are we doing under Googles?
[00:18] That was the play of it.
[00:20] I'm super excited.
[00:21] You told us we had to, sir.
[00:23] You said we signed up for it.
[00:26] In the end, it's going to be better and more true than Google can give you.
[00:31] So what I appreciate about you all is that you're the three smartest people I know,
[00:39] and I get to hang out with you once a week, and it's great.
[00:42] And so sometimes I think about Googling stuff, but instead I think I'll just talk to my friends,
[00:49] my three smartest friends, and we're going to come up with something better than Google can provide.
[00:54] Kyle and I got in a debate this summer, and I told her to just shelve it.
[00:59] We did not Google it. We do not know the answer. She's still waiting. I'm still waiting.
[01:04] We got an argument about the origin and meaning of face the music.
[01:11] So I was hoping that my three smartest friends could help me come to a conclusion about where,
[01:20] timeline, anything about face the music.
[01:27] Okay, so this is when you have done something wrong,
[01:33] and you need to admit it and deal with the consequences.
[01:39] I think it's about consequences.
[01:40] You need to face the music.
[01:42] Yeah, yeah.
[01:43] It's putting up with reality, dealing with the truth, something, or yeah.
[01:48] Or consequences, yeah.
[01:51] Truth and consequences.
[01:53] Yes, truth and consequences.
[01:54] That is a city in Arizona.
[01:57] It is.
[01:58] Nico, look at you.
[01:59] Full of information.
[02:00] Do they have music there?
[02:01] Maybe this is just an easy one.
[02:03] Maybe it's an easy one.
[02:05] You got to face truth and consequences.
[02:08] So, let's see.
[02:10] As a conductor, you face the music.
[02:16] Sure.
[02:17] Yes, it's coming at you.
[02:19] But I feel like if you're facing the music.
[02:21] If you're facing consequences, that's probably the audience, though.
[02:27] True, okay.
[02:29] Because they are the judgers.
[02:31] You would think, right?
[02:33] Yeah.
[02:34] So, my argument in the conversation was that it was about the actor in a musical
[02:42] that had to come out on stage, and when you do that, you face the music pit.
[02:48] Sure.
[02:49] And you're now open to the audience's thing, right?
[02:53] Now, that really closes down the timeline, because I think the first person to put
[02:57] the symphony in the pit was, like, Weber.
[03:00] Okay.
[03:01] And when was that?
[03:02] Ooh.
[03:03] I'm going to say Night.
[03:04] This is opera.
[03:05] So, I mean, come on, guys.
[03:10] Weber, anybody?
[03:12] I don't know.
[03:13] I don't know when Darth Vader started.
[03:16] Okay.
[03:18] Okay.
[03:19] Joey's all in on opera dates.
[03:21] I mean, I'm going to go with, like, I mean, 20th century.
[03:24] Like, it's late.
[03:25] Okay.
[03:26] It would be late.
[03:27] Oh, you think it's late?
[03:28] When they put the opera or the symphony in the pit, yeah, it was pretty late.
[03:34] Okay.
[03:35] Yeah, that probably makes sense.
[03:37] I mean, it could, let's say 19th century, but still, that's pretty prescribed.
[03:41] Right.
[03:42] So, I mean, this is how old our own Googled Bulls tend to be.
[03:44] Yeah.
[03:45] This isn't like Shakespeare.
[03:46] Yeah, for sure.
[03:47] This isn't Shakespeare, because there's no music pit in Shakespeare, right?
[03:50] Yeah.
[03:51] Right.
[03:52] This is later.
[03:53] Gotcha.
[03:54] Okay.
[03:55] So, I like that.
[03:56] That's interesting.
[03:57] Joey, any thoughts?
[03:58] I tend to never just face the music.
[04:04] I just kind of keep turning away and walking, you know?
[04:07] Yeah.
[04:08] Yeah.
[04:09] I do a lot of circles that way.
[04:10] Surround sound.
[04:11] It's weird.
[04:13] To give you more information and see if this helps, Kyle's argument is what she thought
[04:17] that it was military based.
[04:21] That's, I mean, that's what I'm going with eventually.
[04:24] Yeah.
[04:25] I'm going last.
[04:26] Okay.
[04:27] Wait.
[04:28] And so, the thinking is, I don't understand that.
[04:34] Yeah.
[04:35] So, remember during the Revolutionary War?
[04:37] Yeah, I remember that.
[04:38] Yeah, sure.
[04:39] Go ahead.
[04:40] Everybody's playing their fife and they're beating their drum.
[04:44] The music is how they got people to run into death.
[04:48] Right.
[04:49] Right.
[04:51] If you faced it.
[04:52] But then they would run away from their own music, I guess.
[04:57] Yeah.
[04:58] No, they're running with their music and facing the other music.
[05:00] Well, the music's all patriotic.
[05:02] They're facing the other person's music, the other teams.
[05:05] And even that may be, like, I know this is already a metaphor, but that may be too
[05:10] literal sort of a thing.
[05:11] Okay.
[05:12] Gotcha.
[05:13] Okay.
[05:14] When the music is played, that's when they shoot.
[05:17] That's when you're supposed to charge, right?
[05:19] Gotcha.
[05:20] You're marching.
[05:21] You're, like, and so, if you're asking about when, for me, we're talking about muskets,
[05:26] right?
[05:27] Right.
[05:28] We're talking about...
[05:29] So...
[05:30] What?
[05:31] Revolutionary War?
[05:32] Eighteenth century?
[05:33] Nineteenth century?
[05:34] Probably mid-eighteenth century, maybe even later than that.
[05:40] Yeah.
[05:41] Definitely the eighteenth century.
[05:42] Okay.
[05:43] So, which is also a similar time, right, with the music pit, potentially?
[05:50] I'm thinking that was like...
[05:51] Proceeding that, according to the Darth Vader...
[05:53] At least a hundred years ago.
[05:56] Pits.
[05:57] Sorry.
[05:58] Vaber, not Vader.
[06:00] Vaber.
[06:01] Exactly.
[06:02] Darth Vaber.
[06:03] Come on.
[06:04] But, you know, that was actually my first thought, was that it's, you know, no one
[06:09] actually wants to march to their death.
[06:10] That's why they play the music.
[06:11] So, face the music.
[06:12] March to your death.
[06:14] Like, the ultimate.
[06:16] Yeah, that seems pretty...
[06:17] So, that was our argument.
[06:19] I don't know if you guys have different theories, if there's other versions of this
[06:23] that you guys might think.
[06:25] Because we didn't google it.
[06:26] We don't know the answer.
[06:27] We just decided... agreed to disagree.
[06:31] Would they play music at hangings or public executions?
[06:38] What about funerals?
[06:39] They definitely play music at funerals, for sure.
[06:44] But at a funeral, the person's already dead, so...
[06:47] Yeah, but you've got to...
[06:49] You have to face the dead person.
[06:50] You've got to deal with it, though.
[06:52] Yeah.
[06:54] Dealing with death.
[06:55] I could see that.
[06:56] Dealing with death.
[06:57] Yeah.
[06:58] No, I mean, we're not real good at that as a culture, so...
[07:00] Right.
[07:01] Yeah.
[07:02] There's something to that.
[07:03] Do they play music at hangings?
[07:05] So, at hangings, I mean, most of the, you know, good hangings...
[07:10] I mean, they didn't have...
[07:12] Good ones.
[07:13] You know?
[07:14] Tell me about the good ones.
[07:15] See, this is the case where we needed video, because I was like, dude, I suck anyway.
[07:20] Everybody gets your humor, our bread's fine.
[07:23] Yeah, exactly.
[07:24] Exactly.
[07:25] I need an upside-down head emoji against me in the podcast at all times.
[07:33] It's my favorite emoji.
[07:34] Yeah, right?
[07:36] But no, I don't think they're word hangings, because hangings, in a real way, were either
[07:43] supposed to be somber, like...
[07:45] Sure.
[07:46] Yeah.
[07:47] And on the other side, like a celebration, but in those cases, it tended to be more spontaneous,
[07:52] like...
[07:54] Sorry.
[07:55] Yeah.
[07:56] What about...
[07:57] I'm just envisioning yakety-sax in the background of a guy.
[08:01] I'm not saying it didn't happen.
[08:02] I'm just not saying...
[08:03] Oh, it's with their heads.
[08:04] But what about beheadings and stuff?
[08:06] This was like a whole, like the whole town showed up to see a beheading.
[08:10] Yeah, but I think it's...
[08:11] But it was...
[08:12] I think it's more like a bloodthirsty mob.
[08:15] There's no satisfying thing.
[08:17] There's no, like, scythe playing, you know, like the bagpiper.
[08:20] No, this was the...
[08:21] I don't think so.
[08:22] Too much merriment in it.
[08:24] Not too much merriment.
[08:25] Yeah, so, I mean...
[08:26] The beheading.
[08:27] Think about the bands...
[08:28] Even in the death march.
[08:29] Yeah.
[08:30] Right.
[08:31] What band would it be playing?
[08:32] Yeah.
[08:33] You've been in so many bands.
[08:34] So many bands.
[08:35] Yeah, no.
[08:36] I think at a beheading you do Yacht Rock.
[08:39] I think that's how it is.
[08:41] That feels...
[08:42] That's fair.
[08:43] But of all the gigs you've done, how many have been at beheadings?
[08:47] None.
[08:48] None.
[08:49] You're right.
[08:50] You're right.
[08:51] Maybe not.
[08:52] Those are hard gigs to get.
[08:53] We didn't talk about that one.
[08:54] This is a tough one.
[08:56] You didn't get paid.
[08:57] It's all right.
[08:58] We had to run for exposure.
[09:01] Yeah, exactly.
[09:04] Okay, so I think that the military instinct is the most likely one.
[09:14] Because who...
[09:15] I mean...
[09:16] Ooh, I can get it back farther.
[09:19] Who among us is...
[09:21] Well, I guess lots of things come from the theater, don't they?
[09:25] So, yeah.
[09:26] So, I can actually get this...
[09:27] I get this back farther militarily.
[09:29] How about we go back to Scotland in the late 1400s, right?
[09:35] 1400s, okay.
[09:36] So, yeah.
[09:39] Face the music might make more sense then because you weren't in an organized army.
[09:43] You were actually a volunteer.
[09:44] So, think of that scene in Braveheart where everybody's there and they're like,
[09:48] nope, we're not fighting for these jokers.
[09:50] We're out.
[09:51] Right?
[09:52] But the music's from behind you.
[09:56] Or maybe it's from in front of you if you're running away, right?
[10:00] So, turn around, face the music, go to the war you should fight.
[10:04] So, I'm going to stick military but go earlier on origin.
[10:08] Okay, I'm going to go...
[10:10] I like the military.
[10:12] I'm thinking...
[10:15] What about when you get...
[10:16] Do they play the drums when you get drummed out of the core?
[10:20] Like, is that...
[10:21] You get drummed out of something, right?
[10:24] So, I'm thinking about...
[10:25] No, they don't celebrate people leaving the core.
[10:29] But do they play drums when you get...
[10:32] I mean, where does that term come from, drummed out of the core?
[10:36] I assume they play drums.
[10:38] Would that be facing the music?
[10:39] This is an inception situation.
[10:41] You're doing an un-Googable with an in on the...
[10:44] So meta.
[10:45] So meta.
[10:46] Well, no, I just connected those things.
[10:48] Since we started talking about the military,
[10:50] I was wondering if drummed out of the core is about facing the music.
[10:54] I think drummed out of the core is just you got beat so hard.
[10:57] No, I just assume you're being discharged.
[11:00] There's other kinds of cores than the marine core.
[11:02] And so you had to face the music of the drums while you were...
[11:07] Well, I think the drummed out of the core is more to do with the...
[11:12] Not the musical instrument of the drum, but you took a...
[11:16] A drumming.
[11:17] A beating.
[11:18] So I think this next week on...
[11:20] I thought that was a drumming.
[11:22] Let's add another one.
[11:23] Let's add another one.
[11:24] Let's add another one.
[11:25] We'll have to have a different conversation about it.
[11:28] Actually, we could probably Google both, maybe.
[11:31] I'd Google whatever I want.
[11:33] I waited like two months to Google this, so...
[11:37] I'm trying to think of it.
[11:38] I'll turn it off.
[11:39] Give me some credit.
[11:41] Face the music.
[11:43] I really do like this.
[11:44] I feel sal...
[11:45] It's been a long time since I felt a salad about a random guess.
[11:50] Okay.
[11:51] I'm strong on military.
[11:52] I'm totally at home theater.
[11:54] I believe that I'm facing the orchestra pit, which means I'm facing the audience and they're
[11:59] going to judge me.
[12:00] And I normally...
[12:01] Like, when I'm this confident, I'm 100% wrong 100% of the time.
[12:05] So it's probably theater.
[12:08] So in my mind, I'm associating the phrase with being used commonly in sort of the
[12:16] late 19th, early 20th century.
[12:20] I don't know what.
[12:21] I feel like old-timey movies or plays, that's like where it would be.
[12:26] Talkies?
[12:27] Yeah, the old talkies.
[12:28] The old talkies.
[12:29] That's where you would face the music.
[12:30] I don't know why I have that impression.
[12:32] Okay.
[12:33] Does that seem familiar to you guys?
[12:34] Well, if that was the case...
[12:36] Because this wasn't a thing that was common amongst modern language, right?
[12:45] No.
[12:46] Well, did old talkies actually have live music pits?
[12:50] Yeah.
[12:51] That's why they call them talkies, John.
[12:54] I thought talkies were just a great, crunchy, spicy snack.
[13:04] Talkies.
[13:05] Corn-based snack.
[13:06] I think you're correct.
[13:07] All right, Joey.
[13:08] I need you to Google this for us.
[13:10] I've already Googled it.
[13:11] Okay.
[13:12] I did too.
[13:13] Go.
[13:14] Bring it home, Joey.
[13:15] Well, so we mostly got it right.
[13:18] I think, but the ones I'm looking at, it seems relatively correct.
[13:23] But the origin is basically unclear.
[13:26] Perfect.
[13:27] The ones I'm seeing here are...
[13:28] I love undergables.
[13:29] Because they're actually undergables.
[13:31] So the inspiration is unknown, according to the grammarist.
[13:37] But one was to combat stage fright because of the orchestra pit.
[13:46] Okay.
[13:47] You've got to go out and face the music.
[13:48] All right.
[13:49] So you've got to get over that and get out there where the music is.
[13:53] And the other one would be a disgrace.
[13:57] Soldiers being ejected from the army.
[13:59] Being drummed out, if you will.
[14:01] Being drummed out, yeah.
[14:03] But they'd be facing the music.
[14:07] And that's drummed.
[14:09] Not a drubbing.
[14:10] Not a drubbing.
[14:11] There you go.
[14:12] Yeah.
[14:13] So we don't have to Google that now.
[14:14] Nope.
[14:15] We crossed one thing off.
[14:18] Drummed out Shakespeare.
[14:21] No way.
[14:24] So, Urban Dictionary.
[14:25] Coalson, you can't go there, but...
[14:27] I've been blocked.
[14:30] Their example is, come out and face the music.
[14:32] I know what you've been doing to my socks.
[14:38] I like that it's for bad words.
[14:40] That's a...
[14:42] So anything about facing another military with their drumline
[14:46] and their fife and their bagpipes in the Scottish battles?
[14:51] I'm not seeing that.
[14:54] Nope.
[14:55] None of that.
[14:56] No.
[14:57] The only military thing that I saw was officers being drummed out of the regiment.
[15:01] So according to phrases.org.uk, the earliest citation they can find
[15:07] is from the New Hampshire Statesman and State Journal in August of 1834.
[15:13] Will the editor of the Courier explain this black affair?
[15:16] We want no equivocation.
[15:19] Face the music this time.
[15:23] Who are they talking to?
[15:25] The politicians?
[15:26] They're writing to the...
[15:31] Yeah, that's the editor of the Courier.
[15:33] It must be the paper.
[15:34] It's an editorial to the paper.
[15:36] Okay, they're mad at the paper itself.
[15:38] That's the earliest we have it in print.
[15:42] The earliest in phrases.org.uk could find it.
[15:47] So it was clearly in the vernacular long before that
[15:50] because that doesn't make sense in context.
[15:52] Yeah.
[15:55] You know what?
[15:56] I hate onto Googleables.
[15:57] I'm never right.
[15:58] I hate it.
[15:59] I really like theory.
[16:00] Like theory theory.
[16:01] Actually, and Harper, I got to say that Kyle and you were aligned on this.
[16:05] This was her theory.
[16:06] So I think you guys are both equally well.
[16:11] Thank God for that.
[16:13] So a third theory, less likely, but quite interesting nonetheless,
[16:24] was recounted with some confidence by a member of the choir at a choral concert
[16:28] attended recently in Sheffield.
[16:31] It relates to the old UK practice of West Gallery singing.
[16:36] This was singing literally from the West Galleries of the English churches
[16:40] by the common peasantry who weren't allowed to sit in the higher status parts of the church.
[16:45] The theory was that the nobility were obliged to listen to the vernacular songs
[16:50] of the parishioners, often with lyrics that were critical of the ways of the gentry.
[16:55] I mean, only if you want to rule, right?
[16:57] You know, as you do.
[17:02] I see.
[17:03] So the peasants were singing critically to them and they had to listen to it.
[17:08] They had to face the music.
[17:12] I mean, that's very literal.
[17:15] Yeah, that seems too literal.
[17:17] I mean, I almost wish that were the case.
[17:19] That was somebody bringing people to complain in the form of song
[17:23] and then change society accordingly.
[17:26] That's actually super awesome, but I don't think that's what was happening.
[17:29] Let's go with that.
[17:30] I feel like they died afterwards.
[17:35] Yeah, but they put their hearts into those songs.
[17:40] I'm going to bitch about it.
[17:43] Have it a peck this mud.
[17:44] Joey, you might need to get us out of here.
[17:47] Yeah, I think it's...
[17:49] Yeah, it's right.
[17:50] We just hit time.