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Episode 62 · October 10, 2020

Snail with a Housing Problem

The hosts decide whether a slug is just a snail without a shell and then learn more than they bargained for about snail and slug reproduction.

“What is a slug? A snail with a housing problem.” (07:46)

Questions

Is a slug just a snail without a shell? (00:32)

Our guess
They are closely related but distinct species, because snails grow their own shell and slugs never do.
Reveal the answer
The answer
Both are gastropods in the phylum Mollusca, and slugs often have a small internal or vestigial shell. They are closely related but separate species, and land snails and slugs are the only gastropods living on land. Snails live 2 to 3 years in the wild and up to 15 in captivity.
Verdict right

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Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:02] All right, next up. Let's do another quick on the google before we get to the NBA Awards
[00:09] We do under Google rules. That was the play of super excited told us we had to
[00:23] We signed up for it
[00:27] In the end it's gonna be better and more true than Google can give you
[00:32] Having a conversation a debate a healthy debate with
[00:38] Kyle last evening
[00:41] and
[00:44] I made the argument that a
[00:49] Slug was just a snail without a shell and she said that I was an idiot because they're two different
[00:58] Creatures animals
[01:00] and then we debated about that for a while and then
[01:05] She won the argument as she often does
[01:08] Because I said by being a smartass
[01:10] Well, if you saw a snail without a shell, what would you call it? And she said shit out of luck
[01:17] so I
[01:20] my question to you all is is a
[01:25] Slug just a snail without a shell or are they different animals?
[01:30] I assume they're closely related if they are different animals
[01:35] And if you were to see a snail without a shell, wouldn't you call that a slug? That's my question
[01:41] You and I you want to star Jason?
[01:47] Sure, so in the reverse since I'm not a
[01:53] What do you call it not an expert on the
[02:01] But I am NOT an expert on
[02:04] The genus moluska or whatever it is
[02:07] So if I saw a snail without a shoulder, it would definitely be a snails are of the family mollusks
[02:14] For people who don't follow super cools. Go ahead. Okay. Okay, people don't know
[02:19] Oh
[02:21] Yeah, good. Cool. Sorry. So mollusks are gelatinous creatures. No, they're things with small things with shells. Okay. Yeah
[02:30] so like clams oysters
[02:33] Yep
[02:35] Muscles, so so I think that they are very closely related species
[02:41] I think they are distinct species though
[02:43] And I think there are many many many different types of subspecies of both slug and snail
[02:49] Within that but I think that they are
[02:52] Different like for instance, I don't think that a slug could just go find like
[02:58] Be like hey, there's a shell check it out. Check me out guys
[03:01] Like I think they live in different environs
[03:03] I think that snails tend to be more marine where slugs are more terrestrial
[03:10] For instance
[03:12] The proud quasi alumnus of UC Santa Cruz home of the banana slugs
[03:17] And so these are like they live only in that region of the world, which is like mountainous
[03:24] sort of terrain or whatever
[03:27] and
[03:28] Never have a shell. They never come across a shell, right? Okay, and shells you would only encounter I think in
[03:37] Like marine areas
[03:40] Well, maybe specifically salt water, but I mean it depends
[03:44] I mean, occasionally you can find a shell if you're really really lucky on top of mountain, right? But yeah that requires
[03:50] More luck than skill. You're not gonna have a species that evolves based on that kind of
[03:56] Extreme, right? That's right. That's right. So like sand crabs
[04:01] Go out and find a shell and throw it on their back, right?
[04:06] Yep, but they're not mine and then they grow and they grow too big and then they like have to find a bigger
[04:12] She'll get rid of that when I go find a bigger show. Yep contra a snail which grows its shell organically. It is actually oh
[04:20] See I didn't run over that I assume they went and found a shell and then they lived in it
[04:27] No, I believe I would think that they would secrete the shell basically
[04:34] Yeah, so a slug doesn't secrete its own shell that's the difference between a snail and a slug
[04:43] One of the differences sure
[04:46] Otherwise they're both pretty slimy
[04:48] Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that I I think both of you guys are absolutely right they are closely related, right? Yeah
[04:56] but the ability to
[04:58] You know secrete a shell which is probably not that far removed from fingernails or something like that, right?
[05:06] That's right, yeah, then you know that that's a pretty major biological difference in terms
[05:12] That's pretty massive. Yeah, I mean saying is that she's very right and I was stupid to argue it
[05:20] No, I mean I can see where you would think right especially because right like Coalson
[05:25] or like Harper said there are animals that will go and like inhabit other shells and like so it's not an
[05:33] Ridiculous concept that you would just go out and like find a shell and and live in it and on some level. Yeah like
[05:40] Technically the definition of a species is the ability to you know to procreate right and you could probably fairly easily
[05:48] Splice their genes and make it happen in a test tube, right? But because of the shell the actual
[05:54] Active intercourse between a slug and a snail is not gonna be possible, right?
[05:59] Okay, hmm. What would think but I assume that their genes are probably fairly close
[06:04] Maybe they're pretty creative though, and they could
[06:08] like
[06:10] Do they um
[06:13] Life does find a way. Yeah, I wonder I have no idea about slug slash snail
[06:19] reproduction today
[06:21] Have coitus or do they lay eggs and you know by and fertilize?
[06:26] Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I
[06:29] Don't know us. We'll find out. I assume like I guess I sort of assume this slugs get busy
[06:36] Yeah, kind of like worms. Yeah, right like worms have the like weird cloaca thing. Yeah, I would assume a similar
[06:45] architecture
[06:46] But snails, I don't not like I assume it's a sloppy sex. That's all I assume. Oh, it's definitely that you think there's it
[06:55] In cold in Coalson's world. It's like a really
[06:58] You know, they wait until the lights go down and then they take their shell off. It's like a big
[07:05] Intimate moment, that's right. Yeah, and everybody's already wet. You know what I'm saying?
[07:09] So
[07:21] This snail is buying a car and
[07:27] You know
[07:28] Transactions almost done. He says hey before I before I pay you the money. Can you paint a big s on my?
[07:35] my back windshield and
[07:38] The guy's like sure but why and he goes because I want everybody to say look at that s car go
[07:46] That's old school, man
[07:53] How about this one what do you what what is a slug I don't know it's a snail with a housing problem
[08:12] She's gonna be delighted that that she was right. I just said like, you know
[08:16] So they're both gastropods
[08:19] Gastropods are those mollusks aashed
[08:21] Gastros meaning stomach and POTUS meaning foot
[08:25] Okay, they belong to the taxonomic class of invertebrates within the phylum of mollusca
[08:31] And they're the only snails and slugs the only gastropods that can be found on land
[08:37] Okay, so clear nice closer related
[08:41] Both
[08:43] Beautiful creatures. I mean just lookers. I'm so glad to get these up-closes here
[08:50] So the class is gastropod the phylum. Okay, so slugs are actually mollusks too that throws me off
[08:57] I thought that you had to have a shell to be a mollusk
[09:01] Mmm goes to show what I know. I've I've I'm the first person to ever lose non-debutal
[09:07] It's too bad they have an internal shell at times a vestigial or a reduce size
[09:18] So I guess they actually do have a shell
[09:22] Interesting
[09:24] Well, I mean it is really well, I mean ants have exoskeletons. We have endoskeletons, right? I mean, yeah, that's true. Good point
[09:32] Yeah, good call them. I like how they ended the article that I'm looking at is it's like all about oh, yeah
[09:40] Animals cool at the very bottom picture of like classically made escargot. Yeah
[09:49] Love it. Um, so it says here that there's
[09:55] About
[09:57] 85,000 different species of gastropods is that
[10:05] Sure
[10:06] That sounds it. I mean of all the ones that I've
[10:10] If you guys haven't stumbled across this yet, do you want to wager a guess on how long slugs and snails live?
[10:17] Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah, let's can you give me an under over over under?
[10:22] You want me to set a betting line when I know the answer
[10:25] Okay, I'll set the betting line and then and then Jason can guess okay
[10:30] I'm gonna say that it's three and a half weeks
[10:35] Oh
[10:38] Definitely over
[10:40] Do Jason for bonus points? Would you like to wager a guess on?
[10:45] average lifespans
[10:48] I'm gonna go
[10:49] Years five years. It's pretty solid
[10:52] So one to six for slugs two to three in the wild for snails and but here's what's interesting
[10:59] Apparently captive snails can live up to 15 years. You can have a legit pet snail
[11:06] Really, huh? Who knew?
[11:09] Pet snail know what I'm good
[11:14] You know people keep them in there like aquarium and stuff like that
[11:17] They're like good for like keeping the queen sure
[11:19] I just thought they eventually got ate by the frogs or something, you know, whatever real animal you actually wanted in the aquarium
[11:27] Whoo, the speed of a common snail is about one millimeter per second
[11:33] Land snails use love darts
[11:36] Love darts are both formed and stored internally in a dart sack
[11:41] Love darts are made in sexually mature animals only and are used as part of a sequence of events during courtship before actual mating
[11:49] I still don't know what a love dart is
[11:53] Thanks Wikipedia slugs
[11:56] Are hermaphrodites
[11:57] Yeah, snails are to you. Yeah, there you go
[12:04] Okay, interest that makes life
[12:08] Prior to copulation each of the two snails or slugs adopts
[12:13] Attempts to shoot one or more darts into the other snail
[12:18] There is no organ to receive the dart this action is more
[12:22] Analogous to a stabbing or being shot with an arrow
[12:25] The dart does not fly through the air to reach its target. However, instead it is fired as a contact shot. That's not the order
[12:34] The exchange of sperm between both of the two land snails is a completely separate part of the mating progression
[12:41] nevertheless
[12:42] Recent research shows that the use of the dart can strongly favor the reproductive outcome of the snail that is able to lodge a dart in
[12:48] Its partner. Gotcha. Okay, so you're that that's just some like weird courtship thing in some I see it
[12:55] introduces a formal like substance that allows
[12:58] More of its sperm to survive. I see so you shoot a dart before you
[13:04] That sounds like some weird subspecies stuff. No, no, no, it seems like it's pretty
[13:09] or at least from what I'm reading is a
[13:12] little bit universal because so what the love dart does is it prevents the
[13:17] Snail that got shot from like killing foreign sperm. Hmm or something like that
[13:25] and then when they copulate I guess they
[13:29] so these snails at least have
[13:34] Each snail has both
[13:38] Sexes genitalia and so you could double
[13:41] Penetration situation and a parent a paired exchange of sperm. Okay
[13:47] But only the one that shot the love dart first or something like that
[13:54] Has a better chance of ultimately fertilizing the eggs, so I'm on Wikipedia here and
[14:00] so once a slug is found a mate they encircle each other and spurvis is exchanged through their
[14:05] protruded genitalia a few days later the slugs lay approximately 30 eggs in a hole in the ground or
[14:12] Beneath the covering object blah blah blah apple fallation
[14:16] Has been reported only in some species of banana slug
[14:20] And one species of dero seris
[14:24] But the penis becomes trapped inside the body of the partner
[14:28] You'll be happy to know
[14:30] Hmm and apple fallation allows the slugs to separate themselves by one or more
[14:36] Or one or both the slugs chewing off the others or their own penis
[14:42] Once the penis has been discarded
[14:45] Banana slugs are still able to make using only the female parts of the reproductive system
[14:51] Don't come back as a slug. I'm just saying
[14:55] That is a rough go. I mean
[14:59] We made a movie called like 127 hours about taking off your arm. How long is that?
[15:07] That is brutal
[15:12] That was awesome, this might be the best
[15:16] I
[15:17] Feel like we need to cut it all I feel different
[15:23] We definitely put the explicit tag