Dinosaurs and Marmots

[00:02] Oh, we do under Google rules. That was the play of super excited told us we had to
[00:11] We signed up for it in the end it's gonna be better and more true than Google can give you
[00:18] Harper you got one for us this week. Great. I do I
[00:22] Was thinking about this the other day. I heard some geeks on the radio say it and I was like where in the world
[00:27] Could that possibly come from but?
[00:30] I'm in a pickle. I
[00:32] Don't know where it came from. Oh, by the way, that's the end of Google too. Okay in a pickle
[00:42] Yeah, gotcha. I feel like the Pacers season is in a pickle right now. Why would it be in a pickle?
[00:54] That seems like a really weird thing I'm in a pickle
[00:59] Like my first thought was that like, you know
[01:03] When you're brining something like that's definitely the end of the line
[01:08] Like that's not probably I don't know. It's like the crappiest of
[01:13] You take your worst
[01:16] Cucumber and you throw in brine and you make a pickle because it was already the worst and this is the least bad outcome
[01:25] Oh, no, you're preserving it that way as well
[01:28] You could because it's starting to go bad on you you put it in there
[01:32] It will last forever when you pickles right, but it definitely implies like things have not gone as planned
[01:39] but does it
[01:40] Does it do you think it refers to the edible thing a pickle or does pickle have an alternative name?
[01:47] like I'm thinking of the game the
[01:50] the game pickle like the baseball
[01:53] Analogy where you get caught between bases and then you're playing pickle and like trying to get out of that situation
[02:01] That's really interesting isn't it but isn't that from being in a pickle? I would have that I from that
[02:07] I would have thought but I don't know. I mean American baseball's old
[02:11] Right, but so is pickling things
[02:14] Pickling things is older. Yes. Yeah
[02:17] Maybe it comes from pickle ball isn't pickle ball a thing that like
[02:21] Everybody plays now. Everybody's retired
[02:25] Parents played pickle ball. I'm never released on the East Coast. Okay, that's a thing in the East Coast
[02:31] Is this what you do after you retire from La Crosse some East Coast garbage? I have no idea
[02:36] It's I think it's like kind of like
[02:39] squash
[02:45] Like racquetball kind of okay, okay, what's racquetball?
[02:53] And I have no idea score points
[02:56] Indoor tennis, okay, it's indoor tennis, but just with the wall you hit it hit it against the wall Roger
[03:01] Well, no, I pickling definitely refers to anything that you throw in a brine basically, right? For sure. Sure
[03:07] Yeah, so I would assume that that that term probably predates
[03:13] everything
[03:15] Right, but probably well, I mean well
[03:19] You mean free dates predates the saying it's baseball stuff, right? Right or baseball or anything else
[03:24] I mean, I think people were probably pickling and
[03:27] No, I think he meant everything
[03:30] Before the dawn of time before the Egyptians
[03:36] When you go to the laser light show before there was pickling
[03:42] But no, I just I don't know if it clearly that term refers to a bunch of things
[03:46] but I don't know if like the term came from
[03:50] specifically a pickle or whether
[03:53] You know anything that you throw in brine has something to do with this stuff like that. Well, that's that's my assumption
[04:00] it's not just I'm not in a pickle like I'm not inside a
[04:04] Brine cucumber. I'm inside a pickle jar. I'm inside of something
[04:10] That's a jar of pickling things, right? But that is a specific kind of right?
[04:16] What do you mean?
[04:18] Turning a cucumber into a pickle. That's a specific kind of yeah
[04:22] But if I throw but I can also throw carrots or onions into that brine and also pickle carrots, right?
[04:28] So what I'm saying is I'm inside that brine is what I was right. He is where the phrase came from
[04:34] Well, just but I feel like I feel like that the the notion of being in a pickle
[04:40] Connotes that you can get out of the pickle
[04:44] Whereas if you're in a brine like that's the end of the road for you as a vegetable
[04:48] Like you're not coming back and being a nice fresh vegetable that somebody throws in a salad, right?
[04:54] So I don't I mean that's I
[04:57] Don't know what that means for our interpretation. Well, I mean, I do think it has something to do with least bad options, right?
[05:04] Hmm. Okay, right. So at least you're still something that's consumable even though people don't like it as much, right?
[05:11] So if your castle for instance this being rated you've got all these fresh
[05:17] Vegetables that you would love to eat, but you got to be there for a year and a half, right?
[05:21] So you start pickling stuff because it doesn't taste as good, but at least it won't go bad
[05:26] No, okay. So so we're in a situation where we just need to start pickling
[05:32] Yes, sure
[05:36] Sure, I assume this isn't you know, even though it's a shortened work for I'm in a pickling situation. Yeah
[05:43] Made a pickle. That's right. Okay. Well, what's interesting is like pickling I I imagine like I said
[05:49] I assume that probably Mayans and Egyptians and Sumerians. Yeah, this is agents
[05:54] I assume that everybody's pickled stuff, but I assume that this particular idiom is English and it's
[06:01] roots because pickling in a pickle is just a change to pickling, right?
[06:09] So I said it's an English construct
[06:11] So I'm gonna say it's no later than the Middle Ages or no earlier rather than the Middle Ages
[06:17] Okay, so we're thinking King Arthur
[06:21] And the Holy Grail and Knights of the Round's table. We're pickling things in the Holy Grail and
[06:29] Well, okay, so so what we're saying is people have preserved vegetables for millions of years
[06:38] They since the invention of vinegar, maybe 10,000 or so
[06:50] Dinosaurs and marmots
[06:57] That's gonna be a short book dinosaurs and marmots coexisting dogs and cats living together not well
[07:07] Since the beginning of essentially says
[07:10] Understanding cooking a preservation of
[07:13] Fresh vegetables that that is existed. What you're saying is the term pickle is uniquely English
[07:20] But what I'm suggesting is that maybe this term
[07:25] Or this phrase came out of an ancient phrase
[07:29] That was then translated in English. That's gonna be my guess. So there was some sort of you know
[07:34] I
[07:36] equal phrase
[07:38] from earlier about
[07:41] If we don't preserve this vegetable now it's gonna go bad and everything's gonna be bad for us sort of thing
[07:49] And then it was translated later
[07:52] Yeah, no, I yeah, no I could see that Jason yeah, I don't know
[08:00] I like the I think that there might be an alternative definition of pickle. I like this idea and that
[08:08] 1920s baseball from sand
[08:10] superstition
[08:12] falconry
[08:13] Shakespeare
[08:14] That's right. I think everybody should get it out
[08:20] One person should be allowed to guess like all of our stock guesses and they're allowed to do that
[08:25] I want to say it's not that old of a phrase. I want to say it like came about yeah
[08:31] in the
[08:32] 20th century and
[08:35] Comes from something else, but I don't know what that something else is all I can think of is the baseball. Yeah
[08:44] Mark Twain, maybe Mark Twain. I like Mark. We haven't thrown him out. It is very pithy
[08:50] Yeah, like this probably does come from like a major literary figure of some stripe
[08:57] But it but but let's go with the yeah the mid middle ages. I'm gonna go with yeah
[09:03] somehow scared of
[09:05] Okay, I think you guys are probably right, but yeah something to do with storming castles
[09:10] Okay
[09:11] That's a really good guess
[09:13] The word pickle comes from the Dutch word peckle meaning something to cut
[09:21] And originally referred to a spiced salted vinegar that was used in preservative
[09:27] vegetables like cucumbers and gherkins blah blah blah
[09:30] The in difficulty meaning of the expression alluded to the idea of being as mixed up and disoriented as the pickled vegetables in the jar
[09:38] I don't buy that. I don't buy that either
[09:40] It was first used William Shakespeare. Here we go. Yeah, always Shakespeare
[09:46] The term refers to being in a pickling solution presumably unpleasant
[09:50] It was first used in English by William Shakespeare in the tempest
[09:54] 1611 although the phrase had been used in Dutch earlier
[09:58] How came ist thou in this pickle? There you go
[10:04] But it must you know, I mean the weird thing about Shakespeare is that doesn't really make any sense like without a pre-existing context
[10:13] You know
[10:15] Yeah in the 16th century the Dutch phrase in the pickles Zitten
[10:22] Which literally translates as sitting in the pickle meaning to be drunk
[10:28] Hmm. No, it makes sense. Oh
[10:31] And okay, so trinculo answers Alonzo in the tempest I have been in such a pickle since I
[10:38] Saw you last that I fear me will never out of my bones in this case
[10:44] The phrase in a pickle also refers to being drunk
[10:47] In time it came
[10:50] To mean to be in a difficult situation of quandary, but that actually makes sense because alcohol technically also preservative
[10:58] Sure. Mm-hmm pickling my liver
[11:02] According to an urban dictionary and a pickle is an ambiguous sign of affection that lies between a pinch and a tickle
[11:11] Usually it's enacted by small children developing their motor skills
[11:15] When done by adults, it's just passive aggressive
[11:20] So so we're going with Shakespeare that popularized it but it was in the vernacular as
[11:30] Alcoholism that's right. I'm going with it's Dutch. Isn't that weird? It's Dutch. Yeah
[11:40] So Jason wins by
[11:46] Guessing Shakespeare or falconry or anything the elder. Yeah
[11:52] superstition all covered
[11:56] excellence
[11:57] All right, boys. Well, that's a
[12:00] It's a wrap. I still assume the Marmots were saying that
[12:04] I mean that's work. That's work. Shakespeare got it, right? I thought that I thought the Marmots were doing the pickling
[12:10] That's what yeah, but like yeah, they were doing the pickling and then somebody came with the Marmot came up with the phrase
[12:16] I'm assuming or were the dinosaurs pickling Marmots because
[12:22] Or Marmots might go bad or were the Marmots
[12:26] Urban dictionary pickling the dinosaurs and that's how
[12:30] They killed the dinosaurs. I don't know there's a lot of possible solutions. Yeah. Yeah
[12:35] I feel like well these dinosaurs are gonna go bad unless we pickle them. That's right. That's how it goes
[12:45] All right. Well, we're out of here
[12:47] Until next time. Thank you for listening
[12:51] Let us know what you think of pickling is it really passive-aggressive or is it just aggressive? No screw you
[13:00] Is it learning motor skills?
[13:03] Or is it just creepy?
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[13:35] For a once and always coach Bobby C. Clinard. He would definitely remind you to not pickle without asking consent
[13:42] Turn out the last party's over
[13:48] If cucumbers could talk
[13:57] Yeah, I don't know what they'd say they'd say