Smarty Pantsedness

[00:00] We got some under Googles this week under Google's that was the play of super excited told us we had to
[00:14] this. So we said we signed up for it.
[00:20] In the end, it's going to be better and more true than Google can give you.
[00:26] First one, I ran across something I want to do on here.
[00:30] Coalson, I pray and do what you need to do, buddy.
[00:33] Can I pray this for me?
[00:34] Hey, you've got you've got something you need us to answer.
[00:37] We are here for you, buddy.
[00:39] Good, because you know how it is, you know, at home and I want to know something, but I'm too
[00:45] lazy to ask Siri or Alexa or just type it into.
[00:50] And I was like, I got I got smart friends.
[00:52] Why don't you just wait a week?
[00:54] Right.
[00:54] Let me just wait a week.
[00:56] Ask my friends.
[00:58] So I had always wondered where the phrase pipe dream comes from.
[01:06] Do you guys have any any guesses as to where this comes from?
[01:11] It's a pipe dream.
[01:13] So meaning like it's unattainable.
[01:15] You know, it's you know, you're never going to get this dream, but somehow different than a
[01:23] regular dream, like even more preposterous than a regular dream.
[01:27] Yeah, right.
[01:28] More preposterous.
[01:31] I like that.
[01:34] Going with the Super Mario Brothers used to go down in those little tubes.
[01:38] That's a pipe dream.
[01:40] So it's sort of like a psychedelic mushroom dream when you go down a pipe.
[01:46] Or does it along those lines, could it come from an opium pipe?
[01:51] You know, that's a pipe way better than what I had.
[01:55] I hadn't.
[01:56] What did you have?
[01:56] Well, I was thinking it was like drilling for oil.
[02:00] They were just searching for oil with a pipe like the like we want to.
[02:05] OK, sure.
[02:06] So you're just hoping to get something that wasn't going to happen, really.
[02:10] But I guess it would be a drill, not a pipe.
[02:12] So yours is way better.
[02:14] I don't know how they looked for oil back in the day, how they prospect that it
[02:18] could have easily been a paddling rod or.
[02:21] Yeah, yeah.
[02:23] Just like jamming a pipe down there and hoping something.
[02:25] Yeah, exactly.
[02:27] Shut up.
[02:28] That was what I was thinking.
[02:30] But I like I like opium pipe dream.
[02:32] That's good.
[02:32] That's probably closer.
[02:37] What else could it be, though?
[02:38] I mean, the other pipes I can think of are like in, you know, skateboard.
[02:43] You have the half pipe and whatnot.
[02:45] Yeah, I feel like this goes back further than skateboarding.
[02:48] Probably.
[02:49] Yeah.
[02:49] Yeah.
[02:50] You don't think this is like Tony Hawk?
[02:51] No, I don't think he came up with the pipe dream.
[02:55] He does have an impressive resume.
[02:57] Yeah, yeah, sure does.
[03:00] Yeah.
[03:00] There was that documentary that came out at the same time as hoop
[03:03] dreams called pipe dreams kid in the inner city in the X games.
[03:10] Yeah, it was powerful stuff.
[03:13] Yep.
[03:16] Uh, I don't know.
[03:17] I can't think of any, I mean, so when do you think it was then, uh, Harper?
[03:22] Well, before skateboarding.
[03:24] So before the seventies, I guess.
[03:28] But going back pretty far, huh?
[03:30] Pre seventies.
[03:31] Okay.
[03:33] We're thinking, uh, falconry.
[03:35] Does it, maybe this goes back to falconry.
[03:37] You would train a falcon to go get a pipe in the woods.
[03:43] Maybe.
[03:43] I feel like if you have a falcon and you're participating in falconry,
[03:48] uh, all your dreams already came true.
[03:51] You've got a lot of leisure time.
[03:53] What about, uh, the, what about frosty?
[03:56] The snowman had a corn cob pipe and kind of any wish to stay alive to be a lot.
[04:04] Yeah.
[04:04] Yeah.
[04:05] Yeah.
[04:06] Didn't that work though?
[04:07] No, the corn cob pipe was where all the dreams came from, right?
[04:12] Or all the wishes came from.
[04:14] So really all you're doing is saying that, uh, we should put him in jail.
[04:21] Well, I was wondering, whenever that cartoon came out, it might've been
[04:24] worth it.
[04:24] No, no, no, no.
[04:25] Harper, he's white.
[04:26] He is very white.
[04:29] If he's a drug dealer, I think we need to consider just the death penalty.
[04:32] Isn't that how it works?
[04:33] I think snowman is code for like Coke, right?
[04:36] Like, yeah, right.
[04:40] This guy's like some kind of kingpin, but he realized this before now.
[04:44] I think it's crack of its pipe though.
[04:49] No, I think you can, you could, uh,
[04:53] smoke cocaine out of a pipe.
[04:55] It's called crack.
[04:56] I think it's the crack is a different form.
[05:00] It's just a version of Coke, right?
[05:03] So that you can smoke it, I think.
[05:05] Yeah.
[05:05] Oh, I see.
[05:08] So now that we know this much about drugs,
[05:14] I would like to say that if, if, if it is the opium pipe, where would that
[05:18] put us timeline wise, and if it is the oil pipe, where would that put us
[05:24] time wise, and if it is the Mario brothers, where would that put us time wise?
[05:29] Well, let's see, Mario brothers would put us in the eighties.
[05:31] So that's an escape thing.
[05:35] Did you guys know that the Nintendo corporation was founded in like 1886
[05:39] or something like that?
[05:40] Yeah.
[05:41] It was like a car, uh, playing card game or company.
[05:45] It's not that, um, so, uh, regardless, that was a sidebar.
[05:51] So, uh, opium, when we're opium dens, like super.
[05:55] 1800s in 18 hundreds.
[05:57] It's one of the sampling.
[05:59] Teen.
[06:01] My.
[06:05] What's up?
[06:06] What's up FBI?
[06:07] We'll be there.
[06:09] It was a joke.
[06:10] FBI just kid homeland.
[06:12] Well, I spent opium dens were quite popular in Asia a long time ago.
[06:20] They became populated popular in London.
[06:23] Yes.
[06:24] In the 1800s.
[06:25] But that requires quite a lot of yeah.
[06:29] Opium trade.
[06:31] Right.
[06:33] So I suspect that opium dens were around earlier than that in other places.
[06:37] Okay.
[06:39] Fair enough.
[06:40] Asian opium dens in 1500s, 16, they wouldn't have called them well, I don't know.
[06:48] Maybe they would have had pipe dreams by then, but yeah, so we're thinking London.
[06:53] Legend 19th century.
[06:55] Yeah.
[06:56] Yeah.
[06:56] Is that play on pipe dreams?
[07:00] I don't know.
[07:02] Oh no.
[07:02] No, I think you're overthinking it though.
[07:04] Oh, definitely.
[07:05] I wanted this exercise.
[07:07] I can't even under Google, right?
[07:10] So I'm going to, I'm going to go 1800s on, um, just stabbing pipes into the ground,
[07:15] trying to find oil.
[07:19] Coalson, I got good news for you.
[07:22] Yeah.
[07:22] I'm sorry.
[07:23] Everyone else have good news for you.
[07:24] Besides Coalson, this, uh, it actually is, uh, from opium pipe dreams.
[07:31] This, uh, it actually is, uh, from opium pipes.
[07:36] And this is the English literati of the 18th and 19th centuries as
[07:42] where the, uh, the phrase came from.
[07:46] There's some articles, um, in print Chicago daily tribune, its aerial
[07:52] navigation has been regarded as a pipe dream for many good years.
[07:57] And there's another one from 1895, uh, from the Fort Wayne Gazette.
[08:01] Shout out for Wayne shout out.
[08:04] There's a, we'll put the link in the show notes, but, uh, talking about some
[08:10] things in Chicago, which are also a pipe dream.
[08:16] So it is opium.
[08:19] Yeah.
[08:21] Jason, you were, you were on it.
[08:23] Good work on that way to win that one.
[08:25] Yeah.
[08:27] I mean, we're all winners in this game.
[08:29] Yep.
[08:31] Coalson, you got another one for us this week.
[08:35] Oh, that was actually the proper like underground music.
[08:42] Yeah, good work.
[08:42] That's when you go to the pipe and you're underground nailed that.
[08:48] All those years of playing Nintendo finally paid off this moment.
[08:54] My entire life to this moment.
[09:00] Should we do another one or do we want to talk about depression?
[09:03] Are we good?
[09:07] Cause I can do another, I've got another undergoes.
[09:10] If we can go five minutes on it, I think we'll be all right.
[09:13] Okay.
[09:15] And then we can just, uh, later.
[09:18] So, uh, again, uh, listener entry for this week's new goals.
[09:23] Uh, thank you, Joey, for yours.
[09:25] I feel like we learned some stuff.
[09:27] This one is, uh, the hair of the dog.
[09:32] Hmm.
[09:34] Which, which was not in the, uh, entry, but I believe the whole phrase
[09:38] is the hair of the dog that bitcha.
[09:42] As a bartender, my understanding of this phrase is, um, your
[09:48] hungover, so have a drink.
[09:51] There's a reason that bartenders have come up with morning cocktails
[09:55] like mimosas and bloody Mary's.
[09:57] Uh, because if you're hungover, it's going to make you feel better.
[10:00] There's things called corpse revivers for the very same reason.
[10:03] Right.
[10:04] Um, but what is that?
[10:07] It was a survivor.
[10:08] It's a, it's a, it's a really cool.
[10:11] Actually, I don't know what the, I only know the corpse
[10:14] survivor number two, um, but it's, uh, uh, fortified white wine,
[10:20] gin, lemon juice, and yeah, something else, but it's, it's, it's
[10:25] basically something that's going to go down pretty easy.
[10:29] Um, and sort of sounds like someone's going to come up pretty fast.
[10:34] No, it's going to, it's going to make you, it's going to make you feel better.
[10:37] It's not going to, it's not like taking a shot at something and it's
[10:39] going to make you come back to life.
[10:42] So, so I think that the, the actual full phrase is the best cure is
[10:49] the hair of the dog that bit you.
[10:50] Right.
[10:51] Okay.
[10:52] So yes, alcohol, but I think more generally it's about revenge.
[10:57] Right.
[10:59] I, I'm just speaking from, uh, bartending and alcoholism.
[11:02] I don't know.
[11:09] So you're saying that originally the, the, uh, phrase was for a jilted lover
[11:16] or somebody who was, uh, wronged and they wanted to get revenge and the best cure
[11:22] for that is go kick their ass to really go take, literally take
[11:26] care off of the dog that they, yes.
[11:30] Um, I like that.
[11:33] This sounds Shakespearean to me in origin, perhaps Machiavellian.
[11:40] Oh, yes.
[11:44] I mean, dogs go back as early as humans, right?
[11:48] I mean, we've domesticated dog as long as we've been alive as humans.
[11:54] Right.
[11:54] So, um, so that doesn't give us a timeframe at all.
[11:59] No, that tells during history.
[12:02] Yeah, that, that narrows it down to I thought humans were
[12:06] embedded like 2000 years ago.
[12:10] So we've got at least a 2000 year span.
[12:12] Yeah.
[12:12] Dogs were also invented.
[12:14] Right.
[12:15] Nope.
[12:17] Uh, well, okay.
[12:18] What did it do?
[12:19] Um, I, I, again, I'm going to stick with alcohol here.
[12:23] Um, and I'm going to go, uh, people have been drinking since the dawn of time.
[12:27] So I'm going to go back to earliest civilizations.
[12:32] I'm going to go back to, um, the, uh, Fertile Crescent, the Mesopotamians.
[12:38] That's the tamions.
[12:40] Yep.
[12:40] Uh, dogs and wine.
[12:43] This is where that came from.
[12:44] You got, uh, goes ours is goes are involved in this.
[12:49] The dog from a, uh, uh, Ghostbusters was that goes are, was that goes our,
[12:55] or, uh, no, that's not right.
[12:57] I think you're close.
[12:58] It's something like that.
[13:00] Yeah.
[13:00] Goes are the lesser.
[13:03] Hmm.
[13:04] Not the elder.
[13:06] Okay.
[13:08] So it goes on.
[13:08] The master.
[13:11] Yeah, it's not right, but it's something.
[13:13] It's right.
[13:15] Okay.
[13:16] Let's go with that.
[13:17] Let's go with that.
[13:18] A million nerds are screaming out there.
[13:23] And they're Alexis flashing in the background, giving the answer.
[13:29] One with you.
[13:29] I think it's old.
[13:31] I don't know if it's as old as like, I like, I like Harper's idea that it's
[13:35] not, that it's been adapted to drinking from something else that it has.
[13:41] You said, well, my point is the drinks on back is, is there, yeah,
[13:46] I'm not disputing that question is everything about drinking or do we
[13:49] make everything about drinking?
[13:51] That's yes.
[13:53] So how did we make dogs about drinking?
[13:55] That's the question.
[13:57] So, okay.
[13:58] Why is it about dogs?
[14:00] That's the real question, right?
[14:01] I could just be like, it's, you know, drink the tequila that gave you
[14:05] a hangover, right?
[14:06] That could be the phrase.
[14:07] It's more polite than being like, Oh, somebody wrong to you should
[14:10] scalp that dude, right?
[14:12] Cause you're more allowed to hurt dogs.
[14:15] Oh, I see.
[14:16] So you're really okay.
[14:17] You think it's revenge and we're trying to make it sound less painful
[14:21] by making about animals.
[14:23] I'm thinking it's actually about animals.
[14:27] Like an actual dog that they,
[14:29] then why would the, why would they,
[14:32] would the hair help you?
[14:33] Yeah.
[14:33] How would they help you?
[14:34] That's my question.
[14:36] Well, okay.
[14:37] Um, uh, DNA and forensic, you know,
[14:41] Oh my God.
[14:43] What the fuck?
[14:44] Yeah.
[14:45] If I got the analysis, I could, I could track the dog, put it down.
[14:52] You're talking about a phrase that came about at a time when people
[14:56] thought that diseases were little goblins running around in your body.
[15:01] So you thought that you're thinking is that you could CSI a dog in court.
[15:08] That's my guess.
[15:10] I'm going with go find the hair of the dog to pitch you so that you
[15:14] can analyze it and get it put ultimately.
[15:18] Get your retribution in a proper court of law.
[15:28] I'm going to say like middle ages.
[15:33] With all the dogs that were biting people.
[15:35] Oh no.
[15:36] With people that were stabbing each other.
[15:37] That's it.
[15:38] You're, you're, you're on the revenge tip.
[15:41] Jason's feeling Mesopotamia.
[15:43] He's feeling Romans.
[15:44] No, I'm feeling, I'm wondering if it's like a, if it's like a witchcrafty
[15:49] thing, because that's the thing you can make, uh, that's what you'd be
[15:53] making the old witches brew out of, right?
[15:55] Yeah, that's how the hair could help you.
[15:57] I have the dog.
[15:59] Yeah, that's a good point.
[16:01] Dog with hair.
[16:02] And then, and then so that this is great.
[16:05] So you ferment it and, uh, put in a big jar behind the bar in
[16:10] the middle edge, right?
[16:12] No hurry to get your revenge on the dog.
[16:17] Got to take your sweet time.
[16:18] Revenge is a dish, best served cold, right?
[16:20] That is cold, cold and fermented.
[16:22] That just sure.
[16:23] It's not, they're all, they're all coming together.
[16:27] All of these idioms have the same stories.
[16:29] All right, here we go team.
[16:32] Um, the expression originally referred to a method of treatment of a rabid dog
[16:36] bite by placing hair from the dog in the bite wound.
[16:41] That doesn't seem like it would help in the.
[16:44] Now you've got an infected dog.
[16:47] 1898 in Scotland, it has a popular belief that a few hairs of the dog that
[16:52] bit you applied to the wound will prevent evil consequences.
[16:57] What was your evil consequences?
[16:59] Be if you got bit by a dog, but you would get rabies and die.
[17:04] That was the air does not help that.
[17:06] Oh, okay.
[17:07] The earliest known reference to the phrase hair of the dog in connection
[17:10] with drunkenness is found in a text from ancient Ugarit dating from the
[17:15] mid to late second millennium BC.
[17:18] Whoa.
[17:19] Whoa.
[17:21] You jump back to God.
[17:22] Millennia.
[17:23] Ilu becomes hungover after a drinking bench.
[17:27] The recipe for the salivary is to be applied to the God's forehead,
[17:30] which consists of hairs of a dog.
[17:33] Um, so I have the first reference, um, uh, towards drinking being in 1546 in,
[17:41] uh, an invaluable early text by John Haywood entitled a dialogue containing spelled
[17:51] C-O-N-T-E-E-I-N-Y-N-G the number N-O-M-B-E-R in effect of all the pro
[18:00] U-U-R-B-E-S in the English tongue, 1546.
[18:07] I feel like I ran across that Hayward guy before at some point, didn't we?
[18:10] Oh, maybe.
[18:12] I pray thee let me and my fellow have a hair of the dog that bit us last
[18:17] night and bitten where we both to the brain a right.
[18:20] We saw each other drunk in good ale glass.
[18:26] Um, so in Costa Rica, the same expression is used, but it refers to
[18:30] the pig hair of the same pig referred to the same method to cure the hangover.
[18:37] Apparently it's all over the world.
[18:38] Hungarian, we got Slavic, we got German, we got Italian, Swedish.
[18:45] Everybody's got a form of this thing.
[18:48] Largely referring to drinking beer the next day.
[18:52] So this is probably one of the only universal human truths.
[18:57] Yeah.
[18:57] In Japanese, they have a word which I can't read.
[19:00] Uh, Ma-kei-zaki, uh, which literally means counter alcohol.
[19:06] Drinking alcohol to counter the alcohol, quite literal.
[19:10] Yeah.
[19:11] Did people really put dog hair in their dog bites?
[19:14] It appears to be the case.
[19:17] The dark ages were a weird time, man.
[19:20] I mean, but you could, you could imagine that like, yeah, you, you
[19:24] dogs heal from their wounds.
[19:26] Great.
[19:26] And some of them, so you're like, okay, cool.
[19:31] They can heal themselves.
[19:32] So let's just, don't you just put down a rabid dog?
[19:35] Yeah, that would be the smart thing to do.
[19:37] Yeah.
[19:37] Right.
[19:39] But again, middle ages, not known for their smarty pants isness.
[19:43] Great.
[19:46] All right.
[19:47] Interesting.
[19:49] I think the lesson we learned though is that, yeah, it's a universal thing
[19:52] that, uh, you know, people get drunk and then alcoholics are like, yo, yo,
[19:58] I've been through this.
[19:59] I know what works.
[20:00] Drink more of this.
[20:02] And then it works and then it catches on.
[20:06] Uh, apparently hair in the wound, um, of a dog bite from a rabid dog
[20:12] does not cure rabies.
[20:13] I'm just learning that, um, on the internet.
[20:16] You're just learning that.
[20:17] Yeah.
[20:18] So don't go with that.
[20:19] Okay.
[20:20] Um, there is no scientific evidence that that cures rabies.
[20:24] Uh, in fairness, has anyone actually studied that?
[20:31] Also, there's no scientific evidence that, um, alcohol cures a hangover,
[20:35] but those people are wrong.
[20:38] Well, it doesn't cure.
[20:39] No, it doesn't cure anything.
[20:41] It doesn't cure anything.
[20:43] I think this is a treat the symptoms.
[20:45] This is the part of the podcast where most of us, uh, will say
[20:48] that we are not doctors.
[20:50] Um, well, okay.
[20:51] Well, one of us is a doctor and I'm not going to say who is you
[20:55] guys at the listeners.
[20:56] You can just guess.
[20:57] You just guess.
[20:59] It's my dog.