Episode 45 · June 13, 2020
Mittens Romney
The hosts try to figure out why we "handle with kid gloves" and discover that kid means baby goat.
“I assumed it was Australian and had to do with baby kangaroos.” (01:40)
Questions
Where does the phrase "handle with kid gloves" come from? (00:30)
Our guess
Gloves made from baby goat leather, soft and fancy, perhaps from 15th-16th century English nobility.
Gloves made from baby goat leather, soft and fancy, perhaps from 15th-16th century English nobility.
Reveal the answer
The answer
Kid gloves are made from the skin of young goats, which is very soft. Mentions go back to 1730s England, where the term was a slight implying daintiness. The figurative use appeared in America, with early print examples in an 1849 magazine and Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (1865).
Kid gloves are made from the skin of young goats, which is very soft. Mentions go back to 1730s England, where the term was a slight implying daintiness. The figurative use appeared in America, with early print examples in an 1849 magazine and Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (1865).
Verdict right
Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] last thing we want to get into is we have another under google bull coleson [00:04] what do we need to answer for you this week [00:14] we doing under google bulls that was the play of super excited told us we had to [00:22] so we signed up for it [00:25] in the end it's going to be better and more true than google can give you [00:30] so i've been thinking about this one for a long time i and it's it's one of those things [00:35] that i just have never really understood and i guess i never really thought that much about it [00:39] um but i feel like collectively we can come up with the right answer [00:45] and the phrase is uh handle with kid gloves [00:52] okay and i don't i just always assumed that kid gloves were mittens [00:58] and so i didn't know why the phrase was handle with mittens [01:08] awesome so i mean so so to recap what we think the phrase means is to treat somebody carefully [01:18] it's about interpersonal relationships right yes right so you would if you maybe were to go into [01:28] potentially an explosive situation or something or maybe somebody who's dealing with something you [01:32] would handle them gently right because they are presumably childish or acting like a child [01:40] or you need to treat them like you would a child which would be carefully careful on the edge of [01:45] a tantrum yeah yes that's that's how it always strap on your kid gloves your own kid gloves [01:52] or your mittens yeah i assumed it was australian and it decided to do with baby kangaroos but maybe [01:58] that's hmm hmm those are joeys though [02:08] kids are uh they're baby something's goats it's baby goat goats there you go um so yeah i wonder [02:18] if this relates back to the old uh you know throw the baby out with the bath water thing [02:22] because babies are slippery so maybe you had to wear gloves [02:25] watch them so you didn't lose those you got some stick them yeah exactly [02:34] that's good all right well you could be gloves made out of you know uh kids [02:42] oh yeah oh might as proposal yeah yeah i mean they're gonna be very soft it's like lamb skin [02:50] you know yeah exactly like really fancy gloves they're gonna be very soft gotcha okay so um we're [02:58] handling them with a a baby goat gloves because it's soft less abrasive so they're they're not [03:08] when you're holding the baby oh wait no babies don't matter anymore because the kid thing right [03:13] exactly yeah all right so you don't have to hold the baby with the goat gloves no maybe babies [03:19] aren't allergic to goats or something you know that's one of those things [03:26] experiment with the peanut butter gloves didn't go very well [03:30] allergies these days you also could just be you could be just like children's gloves just [03:39] make sure to wear gloves that are too small um i don't know why that would be helpful actually i [03:47] think you're getting closer with the i like this idea that there's goat-skinned gloves [03:59] that sounds that sounds fancy Joey could that would that help [04:04] i'm sure we'll just handle somebody with fancy gloves well you you know you've been out in uh [04:09] you know somebody you're crying or whatever and and uh you know someone puts their their wool [04:15] mittens on you and you just start crying more right right that's true but when a rich person [04:20] comes up with their fancy goat gloves you know everything's going to be okay [04:31] what about butlers who would handle who would wear fancy white gloves maybe those were goat [04:36] gloves and they were dealing with their angry masters or you know whatever and we're gentle [04:44] with them yeah or maybe they had different sets of gloves that they wore when they dealt with kids [04:52] versus the adults yeah you know when you're wearing with the kids you wear the like you [04:58] know brown gloves or something like that because you're gonna get dirty hanging out with the adults [05:03] you wear the white gloves okay when do we think this phrase arose what what uh what era this [05:14] feels like a nanny thing when did people come up with nannies and when was mary poppins [05:22] so like turn of the century like gilded age in the united states maybe uh well i would [05:30] assume that all that stuff goes back to monarchies of all kinds sure sure they hated their children [05:38] right never saw them they paid other people to do it [05:41] but i don't know if the greeks and romans also hated their children i think it's probably going [05:46] back too far i like i like um you know like 16th century 15th century uh some sort of uh [05:59] english monarchy with their fancy gloves that are only for children yeah or maybe maybe the gloves [06:09] are like rip away like warm-up suits so you can slap the kid with them immediately maybe that's [06:17] what's so great about the kid gloves like when you would challenge somebody to a duel [06:21] or something exactly but you do you so for when you do that with human or humans with adults [06:29] use like the hard leather and with kids i agree that adults are humans and children are not [06:34] though i'm a full support effect it might have been a Freudian slip [06:43] all right so uh anybody else got a guess on time [06:50] that sounds good to me i like i like us we could also go australia with the with the uh [06:55] maybe kangaroos even though those are Joey's you're right yeah not a kid right yeah what's a group [07:04] of kangaroos that's a good question question uh these things always turn into more questions don't [07:11] they a mob troop or court it sounds less scary than a mob yeah male kangaroos are called bucks [07:27] boomers jacks or old men i think uh Joey is right yes Joey for the win according to phrases.org [07:42] which we are now frequenting quite a bit um yeah they're gloves made from the skin of a young goat [07:51] that is so bizarre take that kid leather is soft and smooth making it perfect material [07:56] for handling objects such as silverware without leaving smudges there's a material used to make [08:02] classic white gloves ward my house servants hmm the earliest mentions are from england in [08:09] the 1730s we're killing this yeah we're getting really good at this they were often made from lamb [08:18] skin as that was easier to come by so it could only the super rich had had goat gloves it could [08:32] also be used as an insult implying a lack of manhood yes because those who wore kid gloves were [08:40] characterized by a daintiness or delicacy yeah i never got that i never ever said that to me but [08:55] interesting but as only when it crossed the atlantic that the negative connotations were lost [09:07] and handling or treating with kid gloves began to be used as we use it today that is meaning [09:14] deliberate delicately or carefully i don't feel like it has a bit of a negative connotation [09:21] hmm well and but not for those that wear it for those that you're handling don't you feel like [09:29] yes and the uh it all comes back to basketball too so the uh the first printing of the phrase [09:40] handle with kid gloves uh appeared in the new york monthly magazine the knickerbocker in 1849 [09:48] belligerent topics are not our forte and never was neither do we handle them with kid gloves [09:55] when they fairly come in the way nice and poetic than knickerbocker [10:04] also appears the phrase appears in alison wonderland 1865 huh so nice work Joey i think you [10:15] nailed that one there was a large percentage of of the american population that thought mitt romney's [10:21] full name was mittens romney it was like a substantial number it was like eight percent [10:30] or something like that no that seems low to me i thought it was entire doesn't like eight percent [10:36] believe in like oh i i don't even remember what those stats were um but crazy conspiracies [10:46] yes like lizard people stuff flat earth territory yeah i think it's more than eight percent on that [10:55] too yeah oh my god hold on i'm looking up at this romney right he's gotta know uh it says two [11:05] percent two percent ah that's still two percent more than it should be it's actually sure [11:11] that's and i took good name though for a cat i mean i was he sure mittens romney mittens [11:23] it's a good that's a good strong name i like it and by the way uh his full name is willard [11:32] mitt romney mitt's just his middle name and that's it yeah uh worth noting also receiving two percent [11:39] of the vote grommet from lollis and grommet nice oh my goodness there's nothing else this week [11:55] gentlemen i'd like to thank you for being here uh you can find us on twitter we are at [12:02] under beatables we are facebook.com slash the under beatables our website is the under beatables [12:09] dot com there's a contact form there you can send us a message [12:13] you can send us an email shout out at the under beatables dot com and anywhere you listen 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[13:40] but chickens don't do that cry while you shame eat yes