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Episode 30 · February 29, 2020

Scuffle Hoe

The hosts try to figure out where "juke" comes from, and whether a juke joint is related to a juke move in sports.

“Somebody Canadian went to Mississippi and went to a deek joint.” (03:39)

Questions

Where does the word "juke" (as in juke joint and a juke move) come from? (01:33)

Our guess
A dance term from juke joints that was later applied to a fake-out move in sports.
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The answer
"Juke" in juke joint comes from Gullah (a West African-derived language), meaning disorderly or wicked. The sports sense of a feint is a separate word, a variant of "duck" first recorded around 1510, so the two are unrelated.
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Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] Well, so there's this there's this tool. There's this yard tool that my dad had when I was growing up and we'd level the earth and
[00:06] It's it's basically a hoe
[00:08] But it's it's open. It's like that and you can drag it and the dirt goes through it
[00:14] okay, and so I wanted one for myself because I was trying to level the yard and
[00:21] I didn't know the name of it
[00:24] So I googled open-faced hoe
[00:30] Don't do that
[00:32] Don't do that
[00:41] I'm not sure how that's not to Google
[00:45] It's called a scuffle hoe and I own one now
[00:48] I'm not sure you should google scuffle hoe
[00:52] But it depends on what you're into
[01:02] We do under Google rules that was the play of super excited told us we had to
[01:10] We signed up for it in the end it's gonna be better and more true than Google can give you I
[01:19] Want to learn something new here. I want an undo Google question. Hmm. What do you got for us this week?
[01:25] Well, you know, it's funny this one came to me while I was on my road trip a couple weeks back
[01:31] went down to
[01:33] Mississippi and had the opportunity to go to a real-life juke joint and
[01:40] A juke joint is basically just a room
[01:45] There aren't tables. There's just like chairs awkwardly sitting in front of
[01:51] You know a guy playing guitar and a band
[01:54] And you can get beers there, but it's not like a bar
[01:57] You know, it's just kind of like a room and that's apparently been going on for a long time and juke joint
[02:04] What I was told was
[02:06] Where they got the term?
[02:09] jukebox
[02:12] Okay, okay
[02:13] So sort of the predecessor to jukebox because basically that took over a live guy playing
[02:21] now
[02:22] the thing that I didn't ask or didn't come to was
[02:26] Juke move in the NBA whether that's connected to
[02:35] The juke joint
[02:37] Whether it's the same like I don't even know what juke joint means where that what the the source of the word juke is
[02:43] And so I wondered if it was connected or related to a juke in the NBA when you just like shake somebody out of their shoes
[02:51] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So we have good thoughts
[02:54] So you can imagine that at a juke joint there is a dancing going on
[03:02] Okay, probably and and maybe that's there wasn't there was a dancing at my juke
[03:07] But I could see that in the past you would sure nobody wanted to encourage you to dance
[03:12] So they I am I am respectfully
[03:15] quite the dancer
[03:19] So maybe that's the yeah, that's the thing maybe that it a juke move was like a
[03:25] dance move and then that got translated to the
[03:29] either the
[03:31] basketball court or the football field maybe
[03:35] Mmm. Yeah, the juke boards. Okay on the football field
[03:39] Should be like a quick movement
[03:41] That would
[03:42] Right. Yeah, could be you know, interestingly in hockey. They don't call them jukes. They call them deeks
[03:49] deeks, yeah, I
[03:51] Don't know what that means either sounds Canadian though
[03:54] Sounds related. It sounds like yeah, somebody a Canadian went to Mississippi and went to a deek joint
[04:02] No, that's that wouldn't work at all Joey. Do you have any theories on this? No, I like I like that one
[04:10] You know juke, yeah, that's I think it's in other sports as well, you know, it's faking somebody out
[04:16] But I can see they had that related to a dance
[04:20] I
[04:22] Can't never really thought about the jukebox with what the juke was
[04:27] Yeah, maybe that's a is that it's not like a specific dance, right like I don't I don't think there was like a juke
[04:35] Then you know like the I can't even think of a dance move now. What's the no, I thought you were a good dancer
[04:42] I mean, it just comes from my soul. I don't I don't practice
[04:46] I
[04:47] Well, what like the Charleston?
[04:50] Okay
[04:51] What about the what about the Shakespeare? Mmm. Yeah
[04:58] It's a good color or or falconry or falconry I'm gonna go away from falconry on this one, but
[05:07] The only thing that the reason I couldn't quite bridge it. I like the dance idea, but
[05:12] to juke somebody is to embarrass them and
[05:17] There's some is there some negative aspect to so the so okay, so I started looking this up
[05:25] So
[05:27] Duke comes from Gullah, which is a West African language
[05:31] Meaning disorderly or wicked so I'm assuming that that's where it can comes from in terms of juke joint
[05:38] Sure, they're doing they're drinking and playing music and being crazy. Yeah
[05:43] Yeah, whether or not it comes from because there are definitions of
[05:51] As a faint or a fake
[05:54] And it is a spelling variant of juke
[05:59] J o uk
[06:02] First recorded in 1520 to 1510 apparently a variant of duck
[06:07] According to dictionary.com. So the juke on the basketball court is completely unrelated to the juke joint
[06:15] It sounds like seems like it. Okay, interestingly nice
[06:19] same word from two different
[06:22] Originating sources. I'm down on that stuff. I like that stuff language is crazy. All right, cool
[06:29] It's interesting
[06:31] but so
[06:32] Jukebox convergent evolution or something. Yeah jukebox sounds like would they
[06:39] They would have just been going off of the popularity of juke joints
[06:44] but the fact that it
[06:47] meant
[06:49] What did you say it was like
[06:52] Disorderly or wild? Okay, I guess they'd been fine with that if you're marketing yourself
[06:58] Sure. Yeah. Well, I mean by these young kids in the 50s
[07:01] Well, I mean by that point the meaning of the word was even further
[07:05] Removed from its original. Sure West African meaning right? Right. So yeah. All right. Well the more you know