Episode 21 · December 28, 2019
Old Lasagne
A listener asks who the kids are in the game-of-the-week jingle, and the hosts then try to figure out the origin and meaning of "Auld Lang Syne".
“The only way I actually remember stuff is by saying it on this podcast.” (14:07)
Questions
Who are the kids in the game-of-the-week jingle? (01:04)
Our guess
A host's neglected children forced into podcast labor (a joke).
A host's neglected children forced into podcast labor (a joke).
Reveal the answer
The answer
Two young daughters of a close friend of the host, recorded during a visit.
Two young daughters of a close friend of the host, recorded during a visit.
Verdict wrong
What does "Auld Lang Syne" mean, and where does it come from? (03:11)
Our guess
An old Celtic, Welsh or Scottish phrase from around the 1500s meaning "old and new".
An old Celtic, Welsh or Scottish phrase from around the 1500s meaning "old and new".
Reveal the answer
The answer
A Scots poem by Robert Burns from 1788, set to a traditional tune. The title translates to "long long ago" or "old times", and the poem asks whether old acquaintances should be forgotten. It is sung to bid farewell to the old year and at funerals.
A Scots poem by Robert Burns from 1788, set to a traditional tune. The title translates to "long long ago" or "old times", and the poem asks whether old acquaintances should be forgotten. It is sung to bid farewell to the old year and at funerals.
Verdict partly
Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:01] I need, you know, I don't think I need a palate cleanser here. I need to learn some new things. [00:05] Coalson, do you have an under Googleables for us this week? [00:10] Of course I do, sir. [00:24] Can we do an under Googleables? [00:26] That was the play. I'm super excited. [00:28] I told us we had to, sir. [00:30] So we signed up for it. [00:34] In the end, it's going to be better and more true than Google can give you. [00:39] I'd like to shout out Erin Triplett, who is taking my call to arms very seriously. [00:47] I said, send us in your new Googleable questions. [00:51] Not all the fans have done it. And I said this before. [00:54] You know, I think people are just thinking everybody else is going to do it, but they're not. [00:58] So I want to give Erin Triplett a shout out. [01:01] She sent in a question which actually is under Googleable. [01:04] I think she took it very literally and I appreciate this from her. [01:08] She asked who the kids are in the game of the week jingle, [01:14] which is something you couldn't just Google and get the correct answer to. [01:18] I don't know what comes up, but we should maybe try to Google it. [01:22] I don't know what happens. [01:23] Wait, can I take a stab at this? [01:25] Sure, sure. [01:26] I just assumed that they are— [01:29] I've just thought the whole time that they are the kids that you just don't take care of. [01:34] Yeah, sure. They're my children, sure. [01:39] Yeah, I just assumed that the whole time. [01:42] Illigitimate. I see them once every couple of months. [01:46] And force them to do labor. [01:50] Podcast related duties. [01:52] Then I'm assuming you're not commenting. [01:54] Hey, hey, they get a cut of everything I make on this show. [01:57] A whole lot of zero. [02:01] No, so that is one of my best friends from North Carolina when I lived in Raleigh. [02:07] His name is Kevin Wolf and his wife Denise. [02:11] They have two small—they're not small anymore— [02:15] two wonderful girls named Scarlett and Clementine. [02:18] And last time I went to visit them in Raleigh, [02:21] I said, you know, hey, will you guys help me make this jingle about the game of the week? [02:26] And they—Scarlett took it very seriously. [02:30] I said, all you got to do is say game of the week over and over again, [02:33] and I'll take the best cut of that. [02:35] And her sister Clementine, who's younger by a couple of few years, [02:39] just wanted to interrupt her. [02:41] And I thought it was absolutely hysterical. [02:43] And so that's where that came from. [02:45] It's one of my favorite jingles of all time. [02:47] They're adorable. Shout out to Kevin. [02:49] So, Kevin Wolf is in Hearts and Daggers, [02:51] a band that we have put on halftime for multiple times. [02:55] Just a good dude. I was the best man at his wedding. [02:58] So, shout out to the Wolf family. [03:00] And thanks for sending in your question, Aaron. [03:03] We actually have an under-googable thing that you could Google this week. [03:08] And I think it's in honor of the season. [03:11] What's up with Old Ang Zine is the question. [03:16] What's up with Old Ang Zine? [03:19] Old Ang Zine or Old Lang Zine? [03:22] Old Lang Zine. [03:24] I thought it was old. [03:26] A-U-L-D. [03:28] L-A-N-G. [03:30] S-A-N-G. [03:33] I think it ends in a G, doesn't it? [03:35] No. N. [03:37] I don't know how to spell it. [03:39] So, okay. [03:41] It's Old Lang Zine, right? [03:43] But this brings up lots of questions for me. [03:47] One, how to spell it. [03:49] Two, how to pronounce it. [03:53] Three, what language is it? [03:56] Four, what does it mean? [03:59] And then five, how is it useful in the context of a New Year's song? [04:07] So, there's a lot of layers to this. [04:10] There are a lot of layers. [04:12] But I think we can get close because I think we're some smart guys. [04:16] Okay, so step one, we spelled it. [04:19] A-U-L-D-L-A-N-G-S. [04:25] I want to say it's S-Y-N-E. [04:27] Yeah, I think that's what it is. [04:28] N-E. [04:29] Okay. [04:30] Alright, let's do that. [04:32] Old Ang Zine. [04:34] What language is it? [04:35] Zine. [04:36] Is it sort of a Z? [04:38] Zine. [04:39] Sign. [04:40] Sign, okay. [04:41] Sign. [04:42] And then what language is it? [04:43] I think it's like a Celtic language or something. [04:46] Yeah, it's definitely some sort of old English. [04:49] Old English is what I'm going with for sure. [04:51] When you say old, that's O-L-D-E, right? [04:54] Great, exactly. [04:55] Yee, oldie, okay. [04:58] So, it's old English or some sort of colony of the old British Empire. [05:06] So, I like Welsh or Celtic or? [05:10] Yes, yes, like a Welsh-ish. [05:12] Welsh-ish. [05:13] Scottish, Irish. [05:15] Yeah, one of those. [05:17] One of those, okay. [05:19] Okay, what it means, I have no idea. [05:24] Old probably means old. [05:27] I'm with you. [05:28] I like that. [05:29] I like that. [05:31] Lang Zine, I have no idea. [05:34] Well, it may be Italian. [05:35] It could be an old lasagna. [05:39] Old lasagna. [05:41] It could be. [05:42] Yeah. [05:43] That's what I always thought it was. [05:44] Okay. [05:45] We were just singing about our old lasagna. [05:47] Sure. [05:48] The song is, May Old Acquaintance Be Forgot. [05:51] So, maybe Lang Zine is some sort of? [05:53] Well, okay. [05:54] Here's what I- [05:55] The person I knew. [05:56] Well, okay. [05:57] Here's what I'm willing to do, and I don't know if this breaks the rules, but can we [06:02] look up the lyrics and try to catch the contents of what that means from the lyrics? [06:08] Is that cheating? [06:11] That's cheating. [06:12] That's Googling the phrase. [06:13] Okay. [06:14] You can use- [06:15] Well, no, but I wasn't going to Google that. [06:16] I was just going to Google the lyrics of the song, because I- [06:18] It's May Old Acquaintance Be Forgot and Never Brought to Mind. [06:22] See, that sounds really sad. [06:26] Something. [06:27] The rest of the lyrics I think are, you're just kind of- [06:31] That's what everybody goes with. [06:39] Yeah, that's the song. [06:41] Yeah, that's the lyrics, I think. [06:43] May Old Acquaintance Be Forgot, that sounds bad. [06:48] Yeah, and Never Brought to Mind. [06:50] And Never Brought to Mind. [06:51] Out with the old and with the new. [06:52] Okay, so that's the idea. [06:54] Sure, right. [06:55] So, that's the song, but Old Lang Zine's got to be old and new. [07:02] Old and- [07:08] I'm just trying to go with a phrase that would make sense in that song. [07:12] We decide that old is old. [07:14] Yes. [07:16] Yeah. [07:17] I don't- Exactly, no. [07:20] I'm going to guess- So, what year did this come out? [07:25] Oh, this shit is old. [07:29] This is like medieval, right? [07:31] Okay, all right, medieval, going medieval on your ass. [07:34] This is- [07:37] Yeah, I mean, if our theory is that it's some old Welsh-ish dialect, or Scottish dialect, [07:48] those things were rampant pre-1800, for sure. [07:54] Okay, all right, I'm with that. [07:56] Probably even earlier. [07:57] I like this, it's like 1600, 1500s. [08:00] Let's go that way. [08:01] Let's go super old. [08:03] And it's a song about moving on and leaving behind the old things that we don't care about [08:12] and preparing for the new, and Old Lang Zine means old and new. [08:21] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [08:25] Okay. [08:26] Joey, Joey, before he reads it, you got anything? [08:29] Do you agree or disagree? [08:31] Something in the middle. [08:32] Something in the middle. [08:33] Yeah. [08:34] So maybe it's not old and new, maybe it's old and medium, old and- [08:39] Yeah, I think the theme is out with the old and with the new. [08:48] It's what I'm running with. [08:53] Okay, all right, what you got, Jason? [08:56] So it is a poem. [08:58] Mm, clearly it's not just a poem, it's a song. [09:01] It's a song by the Scotsman Robert Burns, written in 1788 and set to the tune of a traditional folk song. [09:10] We got the Scottish part, right, ish? [09:12] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [09:14] The Welsh may not agree with you. [09:16] Yeah, yeah. [09:18] We kind of clumped them all in together, Joey, that's cool. [09:20] Mm-hmm. [09:21] Okay, and so the translation is Old Lang Zine or more idiomatically Long Lang ago. [09:31] Okay. [09:32] Or days gone by or old times. [09:34] And a galaxy far, far away. [09:36] Right, exactly, yeah. [09:38] And it is traditionally used to bid farewell to the old year, right? [09:47] Oh, oh. [09:48] It's also sung at funerals. [09:49] Funerals, I was going to guess that. [09:51] I feel like that's where it started, right? [09:53] Graduations and- [09:55] We're just bidding farewell to dead people. [09:57] Mm-hmm, nice. [10:00] Yeah, exactly. [10:01] So, and it's, you know, they say it starts with a rhetorical question. [10:05] You know, is it right that old times be forgotten? [10:09] Mm-hmm. [10:10] So it's not for old, it's should old acquaintances be forgotten. [10:15] Oh, that's a way better song. [10:18] It's way less sad. [10:20] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [10:22] Yeah, so we were a little bit off. [10:24] I mean, it's much more recent than I thought. [10:28] But I think in general we nailed it. [10:31] It was scotch, it's scotch. [10:33] Yeah, yeah. [10:34] And it's bidding farewell to the- [10:38] yeah, bidding farewell to the old and questioning about how we take the next step. [10:45] So do you want to hear the lyrics? [10:47] Yes, I would love to hear the lyrics. [10:49] Because no one has ever known the lyrics because they always hum them. [10:53] Just Bob Burns did, just him. [10:56] Okay, so here's the poem, I believe. [10:58] Oh, the poem. [10:59] The original. [11:00] Okay, should old acquaintance be forgot and never thought upon, [11:04] the flames of love extinguished and fully passed and gone, [11:09] is thy sweet heart now grown so cold that loving breast of thine [11:14] that thou canst never once reflect on old lying thine? [11:19] Oh, that's more of a hurt lover poem there. [11:24] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [11:25] Interesting. [11:27] I like it. [11:28] Always comes back to that. [11:29] Yeah, exactly. [11:30] You get your heart broken, you gotta write me a poem. [11:33] Sing me a song. [11:35] A manuscript of old lying thine is held in the permanent collection of the Lilly Library [11:41] at Indiana University in Bloomington, Indiana. [11:43] What? [11:44] All right, I'm going to go visit it. [11:46] I'll let you know. [11:47] With the glass of scotch and the thoughts of ex-girlfriends or something? [11:52] Sure, sure. [11:54] Hey, man. [11:57] Always good to do it the new year. [11:59] Mm-hmm. [12:00] And as always, everything comes back to Indiana. [12:04] That's right. [12:05] Just like the Van Ausdales. [12:07] Yeah. [12:08] That's right. [12:09] Okay, this is what I got. [12:12] I got the twin Van Ausdales, you know, mascots. [12:18] Their theme song will be Lil' Lang Syne. [12:20] It'll be good. [12:23] Okay. [12:24] I like it. [12:26] Yeah, you know, the only thing this makes me think of is I watched [12:32] National Lampoon Christmas Vacation last night. [12:34] Oh, me too. [12:35] Which is a classic. [12:36] I love it. [12:37] And I just think it's so hysterical that they finished the movie with, [12:41] instead of a Christmas song or Old Ang Syne, [12:44] they finish it with the national anthem. [12:48] It's just so classically well done. [12:51] So shout out to Christmas Vacation. [12:54] I didn't watch all the way to the end, but that's hilarious. [12:56] They also do when they say the prayer before Christmas Day. [13:01] It's the Pledge of Allegiance. [13:02] It's the Pledge of Allegiance. [13:05] So at the very end, the crazy Aunt Betty or whatever she goes, [13:10] play ball, you know. [13:14] And fun fact, I was looking at fun facts about that. [13:18] That actress was the original voice of Betty Boop. [13:22] Oh, I saw that too somehow. [13:24] What? [13:25] And that was her last film that she ever made. [13:28] She was quite the looker. [13:30] She was. [13:31] And had quite the voice. [13:35] Yeah. [13:36] Shout out to Betty Boop. [13:37] What's the actress's name? [13:39] I don't know. [13:40] Okay, good work. [13:44] It's May something. [13:46] I don't think that's true. [13:48] No. [13:52] I don't think that's true. [13:56] I don't have anything better, but should we talk about... [14:00] It is May. [14:01] May Questell. [14:02] Is it? [14:03] Yep. [14:04] Oh. [14:07] John remembered something from Googling it. [14:09] See, the only way I actually remember stuff is by saying it on this podcast. [14:12] So now I remember. [14:14] This is your body of work you leave behind. [14:18] That's right. [14:19] It's my journal. [14:23] Okay. [14:24] I apologize to whoever listens to this in the future. [14:30] Some sort of children or grandchildren that see this is my journal. [14:34] My apologies. [14:35] Yeah. [14:36] It's some poor PhD student that's doing a dissertation on the weird phenomenon that was podcasts from 2008 to... [14:46] We apologize that you had to get 211 episodes in, buddy. [14:50] Just turn it off. [14:53] Should old acquaintance be forgot? [14:55] In this case, yes, probably. [14:57] Tell that to the professor. [15:05] Well, let's get our game of the week discussed and get on to our New Year's parties. [15:12] Shout out to the wolves. [15:15] Game of the week. [15:16] Game of the week. [15:17] Game of the week. [15:18] Game of the week. [15:19] Game of the week. [15:20] Game of the week. [15:22] No, it's not. [15:23] No, it's not.