Episode 9 · October 5, 2019
Microminiaturization
The hosts look into where the phrase "in a nutshell" comes from and which nut it is.
“Happy Jour de Marmot. I almost named the pod that.” (00:03)
Questions
Where does the phrase "in a nutshell" come from? (01:04)
Our guess
Shakespeare or falconry; a walnut shell.
Shakespeare or falconry; a walnut shell.
Reveal the answer
The answer
Pliny the Elder (citing Cicero) described a copy of Homer's Iliad written so small it fit inside a walnut shell. Shakespeare later used it in Hamlet (c. 1602). It is a walnut.
Pliny the Elder (citing Cicero) described a copy of Homer's Iliad written so small it fit inside a walnut shell. Shakespeare later used it in Hamlet (c. 1602). It is a walnut.
Verdict partly
Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:03] Coalson, you were back this week. We had to do some undegoogling without you. [00:08] I want to shout out. I loved listening to the show last week. I didn't know anything [00:14] about Groundhog Day. [00:17] Oh, what's that? Happy Jour de Marmot. [00:23] I almost named the pod that, actually. I really did. The Day of the Marmot. [00:28] I'm so happy that we learned Pac-Tony Phil's full name. [00:34] Yeah. Prognasticator and prognasticators. [00:37] Yes. Sage of Sages. [00:42] So yeah, thanks for doing the hard work while I was gone. I'm glad there was stuff that [00:47] you didn't know. I'd normally assume that you guys know everything and don't need to [00:51] Google stuff. [00:52] No, there's the one time. [00:57] And shout out to JJ for sending in something you actually couldn't Google. [01:03] We are stumped. [01:04] This week I've got a quick one. I think it might be self-explanatory, but I enjoy, I think [01:11] you all do as well, the origin of phrases. And I was thinking about, I was trying to think [01:18] of some phrases that are just out there in the vernacular. One of them is, in a nutshell, [01:28] for me, I thought, well, I kind of know what that means. We're putting all the information [01:33] in a nutshell, which means we need to make that information concise. But I don't know [01:39] where that, does that have a history, a story, or maybe I'm wrong that that's my understanding [01:46] of that phrase. [01:48] Why is it a nutshell instead of like a small ball or something? [01:53] Sure, exactly. Why is it not a Faberge egg or something? [01:57] Sure. [01:58] Yeah. [01:59] It's a very upper class of you, so. [02:03] Well, you know how- [02:05] Turned a phrase come from the poor man. [02:07] I do a lot of drinking of the high life, so you know that I am the upper class. [02:11] True. [02:12] True. [02:13] You and your phlegm is rabbit. [02:14] Yeah, I mean, this seems straightforward to me, that they're, yeah, you have to put [02:19] it in a tiny, you have to summarize a large amount of information, but in a small amount [02:25] of words, so you're going to take this vast world and condense it into the size of a nutshell. [02:33] Okay. [02:34] I can't think, maybe I'm having a block, but I can't think of any other- [02:40] No, I'm with you. Do we think that this is like most phrases from Shakespeare? Or do [02:48] you think it's been in the vernacular more recently? This doesn't go back that long. [02:54] It's either from falconry or Shakespeare, that's what we find. [02:59] Or from Urban Dictionary. I don't know. Those are the three places phrases come from. [03:02] I thought you, we wouldn't, we don't let you go there anymore, Coalson. [03:05] I really want to know what in a nutshell an Urban Dictionary means. [03:08] You do not. Promise you you don't. [03:11] Okay. I won't look it up, I promise. [03:13] So have you guys ever heard, I always had heard in a nutshell, but then I started hearing [03:18] some people recently say, in a nut. I know it features the same thing. [03:24] Have you guys heard that one? Or just me? [03:25] No, I've never heard that. [03:28] It's the same, like people would use it in the same manner, but they would just say in [03:32] a nut. [03:33] Is that like a millennial thing? [03:35] Sure, we're shortening the phrase. [03:37] Social media, social needs. [03:39] Social needs. [03:40] They just shorten it, they don't have time, because they have to text everything, they [03:44] don't have time to type it out. [03:47] Totes. [03:48] Yeah, I don't know why, I don't know why it would be in a nutshell. [03:55] What kind of nutshell? Is it a peanut shell? [03:58] I always thought walnut the whole time. [04:01] Walnut, okay, that's good. I like walnut shell. I think I always thought every time. [04:08] Alright, so I'm going to see, let's find out if it's a walnut shell and when it [04:12] started into the vernacular. Let's do that. [04:15] We have a guess on dates. [04:18] I'm saying Shakespeare or falconry. [04:21] You can't do that. [04:26] Alright, I'm going Shakespeare then. I feel like he did everything. [04:32] Okay, okay. According to Quora.com, the phrase originated from the Roman writer [04:40] Pliny. [04:41] Now, I don't know if this was Pliny the Elder or Pliny the Younger. [04:46] There are definitely two Plinies who in 77 AD described a copy of Homeward's [04:52] Iliad was in such a tiny hand that it could fit into the shell of a nut. [04:59] Well, okay, so he wrote in an epic, very small, and it was all going to fit. [05:10] It was an epic, right? [05:12] The Iliad definitely was an epic. [05:17] So clearly a little hyperbole there on his part. [05:21] Exactly. [05:22] Alright. [05:23] He wrote it real small. Is that what I'm hearing? [05:27] Yes. [05:28] Or he described a synopsis, I think, of it, so it's small. [05:34] Pliny the Elder, I'm learning from another website here. [05:38] I don't think the Younger could do that kind of stuff. [05:39] No, I think Pliny the Younger was more of a beer brewer kind of guy. [05:46] Yeah. [05:47] He was a bit of a drinker. [05:50] Here we go though. [05:52] In 1602, Shakespeare had Hamlet declare, oh God, I could be bounded in a nutshell and count [05:59] myself a king of infinite space. [06:03] And this is like a whole realm, I guess, of people trying to make small versions of [06:10] books. [06:11] Okay. [06:13] Yeah, the Bible is like the, they call it micromanorization. [06:23] Okay, so clearly we're giving our credit to Pliny the Elder, and we'll throw in some [06:34] Hamlet, but Pliny the Elder wins it. [06:38] Do we know if it's a walnut or a peanut? [06:41] No, we don't. [06:45] Any of the pictures associated with his internet articles are walnuts. [06:50] Yes. [06:51] Nailed it. [06:56] It's a walnut. [06:57] It is. [06:58] Yes. [06:59] Yes. [07:00] The Pliny, that the great philosopher Cicero had witnessed a copy of Homer's epic poem [07:06] in the Iliad written on a piece of parchment that was quite small enough to fit into the [07:11] shell of a walnut. [07:13] Boom. [07:14] There you go, Joey. [07:16] There's nothing. [07:18] You don't need that. [07:19] You don't need Google. [07:20] You got this. [07:21] No. [07:22] All right, well, there you go. [07:23] Another phrase explained by the undergoggles. [07:27] Well done, boys.