Episode 7 · September 21, 2019
That Escalated Quickly
With the Pacers playing in London, the hosts take on London-themed questions: author Jack London and the meaning of the nursery rhyme "London Bridge Is Falling Down".
“The London Bridge isn't even in London. It's in Arizona?” (12:28)
Questions
What do we know about Jack London? (01:04)
Our guess
A San Francisco author of The Call of the Wild who wrote about the Yukon gold rush, living around the turn of the century.
A San Francisco author of The Call of the Wild who wrote about the Yukon gold rush, living around the turn of the century.
Reveal the answer
The answer
Born January 12, 1876 in San Francisco and died in 1916 at age 40. Novelist, journalist and social activist who wrote The Call of the Wild, White Fang and The Sea-Wolf, and was one of the first fiction writers to gain worldwide celebrity.
Born January 12, 1876 in San Francisco and died in 1916 at age 40. Novelist, journalist and social activist who wrote The Call of the Wild, White Fang and The Sea-Wolf, and was one of the first fiction writers to gain worldwide celebrity.
Verdict partly
What is the nursery rhyme "London Bridge Is Falling Down" about? (04:11)
Our guess
Something grim, such as executions, the Great Fire, or a collapse; bridge built around the 1000s-1200s.
Something grim, such as executions, the Great Fire, or a collapse; bridge built around the 1000s-1200s.
Reveal the answer
The answer
No single meaning is established. The bridge dates to a Roman timber bridge in 55 AD, with medieval London Bridge begun in 1176. Theories include the Great Fire of 1666, a Viking attack, and child sacrifice (with no archaeological evidence). The 1831 bridge was replaced in 1972 and moved to Lake Havasu, Arizona.
No single meaning is established. The bridge dates to a Roman timber bridge in 55 AD, with medieval London Bridge begun in 1176. Theories include the Great Fire of 1666, a Viking attack, and child sacrifice (with no archaeological evidence). The 1831 bridge was replaced in 1972 and moved to Lake Havasu, Arizona.
Verdict partly
Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] Coalson, is it time for another Undegoogleables? [00:15] Oh, we doing Undegoogleables? [00:17] That was the play of it. [00:18] I'm super excited. [00:19] You told us we had to, sir. [00:22] He said we signed up for it. [00:27] In the end, it's going to be better and more true than Google can give you. [00:33] Look, kids, Big Ben. [00:36] That wasn't in any accent at all. [00:41] No, because uh... [00:42] Clark W. [00:43] Yeah, Griswolds don't have accents. [00:47] So, yeah, of course it's time. [00:50] And because the Pacers are in London right now, [00:54] I felt like it would be useful to do some London-related trivia. [01:00] And so, my first question is, [01:04] what do we know about Jack London? [01:07] Call of the Wild. [01:08] Call of the Wild. [01:09] Isn't he from San Francisco? [01:11] Yeah, he's not from London, I'm pretty sure about that. [01:15] The author we're talking about? [01:17] Yeah, the author, Jack London. [01:21] So, okay, from San Francisco, [01:24] he wrote Call of the Wild, which is not... [01:26] So you don't have a specific question, [01:27] we're just listing the things that we know about Jack London? [01:29] Yes, yes, pretty much. [01:30] He was fascinated with the Yukon territory and the Gold Rush. [01:37] The Alaska Gold Rush. [01:38] Okay. [01:40] And wrote some books about it. [01:43] He's from San Francisco, though, I didn't know that. [01:47] I think, I don't... [01:48] If he's not from San Francisco, [01:50] he at least lived much of his life in San Francisco. [01:53] There's like Jack London Park and a few other [01:56] like historical Jack London-y things [01:58] in the San Francisco Bay Area. [02:00] Okay. [02:02] He did read some maritime books, didn't he? [02:05] Did you say maritime? [02:09] Maritime? [02:10] Maritime. [02:11] That's what, the maritime. [02:12] Like on the boats? [02:13] Yeah, on the boats. [02:14] Or you mean like maritime, like a party or something. [02:19] Little bit of both. [02:20] Boat party. [02:21] With yacht music and yacht rock and everything. [02:23] Yacht rock! [02:25] That's right. [02:26] Is that enough for you? [02:29] Did we answer your... [02:31] Sure, I don't... [02:32] Yeah, when did he live? [02:33] I don't know. [02:35] End of the 1800s, right? [02:37] Yeah. [02:38] Turn of the century? [02:39] Yeah. [02:40] I'm gonna say maybe he was born in the East Coast [02:43] but moved out west in the Gold Rush, you know, [02:47] in the 1840s, 1850s. [02:50] Okay. [02:51] And then lived out there and rode out there. [02:54] Okay. [02:55] Was he a troubled dude? [02:56] Did he have issues? [02:59] I think all authors do, like by definition. [03:01] That's my assumption. [03:02] Sure. [03:03] He probably drank too much [03:05] and did too many drugs, probably. [03:08] Sure. [03:09] A lot of meth during the Gold Rush. [03:12] Did not know that. [03:17] See, we learned stuff on the end of Google Earth. [03:19] Jack London, January 12th, 1876, [03:25] and died in 1916. [03:27] Oh. [03:28] Oh, wow. [03:29] I was young. [03:30] Okay. [03:31] So 40 years old. [03:32] That's not very old. [03:34] American novelist, journalist, and social activist. [03:40] He became one of the first fiction writers [03:42] to obtain worldwide celebrity [03:44] and a large fortune from his fiction alone. [03:50] Call the Wild and The White Fang were both set [03:52] in the Klondike Gold Rush, [03:54] and he also wrote a novel called The Seawolf [03:59] from the San Francisco Bay Area. [04:02] There you go. [04:03] And he was actually born in San Francisco. [04:06] Mm-hmm. [04:07] Okay. [04:08] Third in Brandon Streets. [04:11] That's a good corner. [04:14] Passionate advocate of unionization, [04:19] socialism, and the rights of workers. [04:21] Nice. [04:23] What's up, Jack London? [04:26] All right. [04:27] I've got another London-related question. [04:29] This one, actually, I think will be closer to London. [04:34] I'm not sure. [04:35] London Bridge is falling down. [04:38] Mm-hmm. [04:39] Okay. [04:40] Do we know this nursery rhyme? [04:43] Does anybody know that it's London Bridge [04:45] is falling down, falling down, falling down? [04:50] My fair lady. [04:51] Right? [04:52] And that how it goes? [04:53] Mm-hmm. [04:54] Sure. [04:55] Mm-hmm. [04:56] And there's some sort of dance [04:58] that goes along with it. [05:00] Kids go under arches and things. [05:06] I vaguely remember that. [05:07] You guys remember playing this game? [05:09] Didn't you just, like, dance in a circle [05:11] and then fall down? [05:12] Then you fall down? [05:13] Yeah. [05:14] Yeah. [05:15] Okay. [05:17] Yeah. [05:18] And so what is your question about this? [05:20] My question is, what does it mean? [05:22] What's it about? [05:23] Do we know? [05:24] Yeah. [05:25] Why is this a nursery rhyme? [05:26] From what I remember, like, most nursery rhymes [05:29] and, like, children's stories are actually, like, [05:33] some really awful story from the past that involved, [05:37] like, death. [05:38] Right. [05:39] Last death. [05:40] Yeah. [05:41] I mean, they're all, like, yeah, really terrible. [05:44] They're like, you know, if it was a movie, [05:46] you would not be able to show it to children. [05:50] But if you put a cute little song behind it [05:53] and you apparently put your hands up [05:55] and you dance on an arch or something, [05:57] that's no problem. [05:59] Like, Ring Around the Road to you was, like, [06:01] about the plague or something like that. [06:02] Yeah, exactly. [06:03] Yeah, yeah. [06:04] No, and that's the one where you dance in a circle [06:07] and then fall down. [06:08] Right. [06:09] Because you all fall down at the end. [06:11] Right. [06:12] Because I think the Love and Rindges falling down [06:15] is where you go under an arch [06:17] and then when the song's over, [06:18] you pull your arms down and catch a kid. [06:21] Do you guys remember this? [06:22] And then you were out? [06:23] I don't remember a game. [06:26] Do you remember that? [06:27] I think this is just something you do [06:28] with your creepy camp camp. [06:33] I'm going to say it has something to do. [06:34] So, what happened in London? [06:35] London Bridge is where they sent people [06:37] to get executed, right? [06:39] So, it's probably got to be something to do with, [06:42] you know, can'tines and stuff. [06:45] Yeah. [06:46] I think London Bridge is falling down, right? [06:48] Like the bridge itself. [06:50] Either that or there was a huge fire in London [06:53] at some point. [06:54] Oh yeah, the great fire of London. [06:56] I'm thinking of the Tower of London. [06:58] That's where you get executed. [06:59] Yeah. [07:00] I think the bridge... [07:01] But it's like right by the bridge. [07:02] Yeah. [07:04] I'm sure they hung plenty of people [07:06] from that bridge itself. [07:07] I think that's how you hang everybody. [07:09] That's where they showed off all their dead people [07:11] for sure on the bridge. [07:13] Exactly. [07:14] Heads on pikes. [07:15] Yeah, yeah. [07:16] That's what actually happened. [07:17] Or heads on pikes. [07:19] Heads on pikes, mate. [07:21] That sounds fine. [07:23] Can you say it like that? [07:25] Can you say it like that? [07:26] Sure. [07:27] Okay. [07:28] So, either it was a massive infrastructure failure, [07:32] like the bridge just collapsed. [07:34] And millions of people died. [07:36] Because it used to be that like there was [07:38] lots of business on London Bridge, I think, right? [07:41] Like the London Bridge itself was like [07:44] covered in houses and shops. [07:47] Yeah, it was like a mall, right? [07:48] Stuff like that, yeah. [07:49] Maybe not a mall, but like... [07:50] So maybe that whole thing collapsed. [07:52] You think like some people died. [07:54] So now the children sing about it. [07:56] Okay. [07:57] So... [07:58] And maybe it was the fire they did. [08:00] Well, if the fire... [08:01] The fire was in like the 1600s, right? [08:05] It was like right around the Black Plague. [08:08] They were having a rough go back then. [08:11] Not a good time to be. [08:12] It was not... [08:13] I feel like that... [08:15] So, I guess they probably had a bridge then. [08:19] And it might have burned down. [08:20] No, definitely. [08:21] Otherwise they would have no city. [08:22] Right. [08:23] Okay. [08:24] Okay. [08:25] So, okay. [08:26] How old's the bridge then? [08:27] This is a good question. [08:28] So, Rome comes over and builds a bridge [08:30] and then creates London, right? [08:33] Yeah. [08:34] Isn't that... [08:35] That's how it went down, yeah. [08:36] I'm pretty sure. [08:37] Okay. [08:38] So they've had a bridge for a long time [08:40] and it fell down at some point. [08:41] I'm guessing the original bridge was built like in [08:44] a thousand or something like that. [08:46] Okay. [08:47] Right? [08:48] Okay. [08:49] I'm with you. [08:50] I like that. [08:51] 1200s maybe? [08:52] When did the Romans take over? [08:53] It would be even earlier than that for the Romans. [08:55] 900 or a thousand? [08:57] Two hundred. [08:58] So, the history of the bridge is probably originally [09:01] a Roman pontoon bridge. [09:03] In 55 AD they built a permanent timber piled bridge. [09:09] 55. [09:10] That's like 0055 you mean. [09:12] We were a little off on that one. [09:15] I mean, yeah, 150 years, but, you know, that's old stuff. [09:21] We bring up old stuff. [09:23] So, did anything happen around a thousand? [09:26] Because that was our guess. [09:28] I mean, they rebuilt the bridge a bunch of times, right? [09:31] Okay. [09:32] Let's see. [09:33] Building work began on old medieval London bridge in 1176. [09:37] There you go. [09:38] But, I mean, essentially, so you got this really old bridge that was built in 55 AD [09:42] and they just kept building on top of it, right? [09:45] And expanding it essentially is my takeaway here. [09:50] Okay. [09:51] All right. [09:54] Did it ever actually fall down is the question. [09:56] Right. [09:58] Oh, geez. [09:59] Oh, here we go. [10:00] Child sacrifice theory. [10:02] Wait. [10:03] Whoa. [10:04] All right. [10:05] That escalated. [10:06] The pairing perhaps alive of children in the foundation of the bridge was first [10:11] advanced, blah, blah, blah in the 1890s. [10:18] Wow. [10:19] This is based around the idea that a bridge would collapse unless the body of a [10:23] human sacrifice were buried in its foundations and that the watchman is [10:27] actually a human sacrifice who will then watch over the bridge. [10:33] However, there is no archaeological evidence for that. [10:35] Oh, good. [10:37] That's what I'm talking about with the nursery rhymes. [10:40] It turns into like child sacrifice. [10:42] Yeah, exactly. [10:44] Okay. [10:45] So the old medieval London bridge, yeah, 1176. [10:51] And in exchange for loans to the royal purse, the city of London acquired the [10:57] maintenance for the bridge in 1284. [11:04] And apparently, Henry II's wife spent all the money, and maybe she's the fair [11:10] lady because the bridge was going into disrepair. [11:14] There's also a Viking attack theory for some of the lyrics. [11:20] So this is a song that covers a lot of ground, so it probably refers to a [11:27] little bit of everything. [11:30] The Great London Fire, by the way, was in 1666 and certainly damaged, if not [11:37] destroyed, the bridge. [11:40] The head of William Wallace appeared on the bridge in 1305. [11:45] Well, we hit a lot of points. [11:46] Yeah. [11:47] Nice. [11:48] I don't know if we were right about anything, but we hit a lot of stuff. [11:49] Other famous heads on pikes, Thomas Moore, Bishop John Fisher, and Thomas [11:56] Cromwell. [11:57] Sure. [11:58] So Thomas Cromwell. [11:59] Good old Tommy. [12:00] Yeah. [12:01] He got his head on the bridge. [12:03] And you seem to be correct in your memory of how the game associated with the [12:10] nursery rhyme was played. [12:12] The most common is that two players hold hands and make an arch with their [12:17] arms while the others pass through single file. [12:20] And then the arch is then lowered at the songs in to catch a player. [12:24] Yeah. [12:25] And then you got out, and then the last person left one. [12:28] That's how we used to play. [12:31] And as a footnote here, the new London Bridge was opened in 1831 and survived [12:36] until it was replaced in 72. [12:38] It was then transported and reconstructed in Lake Havasu, Arizona. [12:42] So that is where the London Bridge now resides. [12:44] What? [12:45] The London Bridge isn't even in London. [12:48] It's in Arizona? [12:49] No, it was replaced long ago. [12:50] It's in Arizona, yeah. [12:52] I mean, they have a bridge though, right? [12:54] Road trip. [12:55] I'm assuming they built another bridge. [13:01] There is a bridge. [13:03] In 1831, they built a bridge, then the modern one was built in 72. [13:08] Okay. [13:09] All right. [13:10] The old bridge retook. [13:12] They probably bought it. [13:13] Took off their hands for them. [13:15] They were compensated for their bridge. [13:18] I like it. [13:19] I did not see it going that the London Bridge is not in London anymore. [13:22] I feel like maybe I didn't ask any questions that were about London. [13:27] Yeah, all you're talking about is Arizona. [13:30] Arizona Bridge is in San Francisco authors. [13:35] It's pretty standard. [13:36] Shout out London. [13:37] Look kids, Big Ben.