So Much Milk

[00:06] Oh, we do under Google rules that was the play of super excited told us we had to
[00:19] You said we signed up for it in the end it's gonna be better and more true than Google can give you
[00:28] Okay, well Harper I want to move on to the next one and you already mentioned
[00:34] Something another one of Coalson's questions
[00:38] Beyond the cause there's so many questions
[00:41] Well
[00:44] But Harper you brought this up in
[00:50] In the last one. Well, I want to hear where you think beyond the pale means cuz I'm
[00:55] I'm not always clear on what this means
[00:59] I've seen it used a lot of different ways. Yeah, so as a saying it is
[01:04] Yeah, I mean it's you know, you've crossed a line you've gone beyond the
[01:09] Acceptable dorms of human behavior in some way
[01:14] It's beyond the pale that's how I would use it
[01:19] So very similar to cross the line
[01:21] Yeah
[01:22] Okay
[01:24] maybe a bit more extreme I I
[01:27] Think that was also I want to say it was a Jim Gaffigan stand-up album
[01:32] but
[01:34] You know, he's super pale so yeah, he might have come up with it then
[01:38] He's famously terribly white
[01:41] Is this a this is a death thing? That's what I always assumed
[01:49] When you've gone beyond the pale you've yeah, I'm sure do I just think that because it rhymes with fail
[01:55] The male of shadows
[01:59] Just thinking if you're sick then you get
[02:02] Pale hmm. Oh, you're you're you're not just pale. You're beyond pale. Yeah, I see
[02:09] Okay, so so it's not I was always thinking like it was kind of a bucket. Oh
[02:17] Like oh, yeah
[02:19] Interesting beyond the pale, but again, it would be a death thing because you've already kicked the bucket
[02:28] Have we done kicked the bucket before I feel like we have I believe yeah. Yeah, I feel like was that for me hanging I
[02:35] think yeah
[02:40] That was one of the morbid ones. Yeah, we had a few morbid ones early on
[02:45] Coles and you submitted this what's the the context of where you
[02:49] Well, it was the same conversation. Ah, okay. Gotcha across the line and then that reminded me of beyond the pale
[02:57] because in what sense is
[03:00] Pale something can go beyond right like I I like your idea that you're so sick that you're beyond pale
[03:06] But like I it feels like beyond the pale, you know, it's not beyond pale. Hmm. So what's the pale?
[03:15] It's like a noun, right?
[03:18] But what would the pale yeah, well, I mean that's how it's what is the pale
[03:23] You know we the pale state of sickness
[03:28] Well, you know, it's like Harper said it's it's like crossing line but seems more
[03:36] Dramatic or more offensive
[03:38] Right. It's it's right
[03:41] So is pale a lot even something that humans do living here. Yeah, I was thinking yeah
[03:46] It was like, you know, we think of dead things as you know, a moral, right? So
[03:55] so
[03:57] Yep, I'm into it and how long do we think people have been saying this beyond the pale? Oh, I think forever
[04:06] For ever. Yeah
[04:09] Yeah, well, I mean I think whatever vampires were dark ages, right? Like that was the dark ages max maximum
[04:16] It's like weird spiritualism period
[04:20] Sure. I
[04:22] Feel like we've had lots of spiritualism periods. I
[04:26] mean I
[04:28] Would say that the dark ages before Christianity pounded all of those into the ground who was probably okay
[04:37] You sure
[04:40] You know what I did see something once or twice in the history books
[04:44] What is it? Is this a Shakespeare thing potentially? Okay, it definitely. Oh, I like it. Yeah
[04:51] Definitely feels Shakespeare area poetic
[04:55] Yeah
[04:56] Yeah, I go Shakespeare because yeah, I think it would be sort of after the I agree with you that the idea maybe came from the
[05:05] dark ages, but I
[05:08] Feel like there's a lyricism to it. It's it's too of yeah, and it's also evocative of something that I don't know
[05:17] Seems to suggest bigger ideas than the Dark Ages had that's what that's what I'm going with
[05:21] It's a little obtuse, right? Like I mean if we are interpreting the meaning correctly
[05:28] Yes, yeah now if it is a PA I L
[05:32] It's something to do with milk and cows
[05:38] Hit so much milk. It went beyond the pain
[05:44] Like onto the ground milk that cow beyond the pale you can't let that happen just milk gross man
[05:53] Okay, that's my
[05:59] Cow milking
[06:03] I'm gonna go sort of
[06:05] A pre-civil war
[06:11] Post cow those cows peace of war
[06:16] Yeah, let's say Tennessee
[06:20] That's pretty specific yeah cow milkers, but so you're not going with like a specific person but also cow milkers
[06:27] Yeah, Kentucky milk
[06:30] milkmen and milkmaids
[06:32] No, he just had a nautical thing. Is there any nautical pale? Oh, yeah
[06:38] It's all or or horse racing. Are there pails and horse racing? Who about the like the sales maybe?
[06:44] Or the horizon
[06:46] Could that be a pale? I don't feel like I've ever heard it
[06:55] No, I don't either. I'm too that way
[07:01] Is the pale like the keel of the boat? It's like I
[07:06] Don't know
[07:08] I've not heard that it is now
[07:14] All right, I may have got anything else no, I'm still gonna say she experienced my turns out it's geographic
[07:25] Potentially so there was the English control the small area around Dublin known as the pale
[07:35] Is considered the center of English authority in Ireland?
[07:42] And the rest of the island was seen as wild and barbaric
[07:45] So being beyond the pale means being outside. It's being Irish
[07:49] It means being Irish
[07:53] Comes from the word Latin
[07:55] palace meaning steak or fence
[07:59] so the pale was a fence in
[08:03] Ireland where the English were
[08:07] Within the pale ditch settlers lived under the protection of the ground. So
[08:12] It was so it was a ditch
[08:15] Well, it was yeah, I was a region. It was an area
[08:18] Under English control why it was called the pale I guess because it was named for a river
[08:25] Let's see the Kings the Kings perimeter was marked with wooden fence posts pounded into the Irish turf
[08:32] These posts were called pails
[08:35] Interestingly, there's also a Russian version of this. So there's
[08:40] The pale of settlement which existed from 1791 to 1917 in the Russian Empire where the Jewish people were most
[08:48] Mostly relegated to the living
[08:50] Yeah, pale is wooden fence steak
[08:54] or fence piece
[08:57] So yeah, I'm reading that
[08:59] So there was another
[09:03] term for pale
[09:04] The English settlers were forbidden to intermarry with the Irish. It was illegal to speak Gaelic and
[09:13] The glib was banned
[09:15] Glibs were the fashionable Irish Irish hairstyle of the day
[09:20] Hair cropped very short up top and in the back with long fringy bangs around the face
[09:27] It's like a reverse mullet
[09:29] It's
[09:31] To party in the front
[09:35] Yeah
[09:39] Shakespeare also uses the figurative sense of pale and the winter's tale when he writes about
[09:45] The red blood rains in you winters pale of course Shakespeare
[09:53] You can still see the
[09:55] The pale today. There's some sections of a ditch that are are still there
[10:02] You can go beyond the pale
[10:05] Anytime you uh
[10:07] Can take a trip to Ireland so the first English
[10:13] Uh version of this is from 1657 in a john harrington
[10:17] poem the history of pollander and
[10:19] flostella
[10:22] And then what was the russian one did the russian thing? Oops kathryn the great
[10:30] So 1791
[10:33] Pale of statement from kathryn the great that kettled the jewish people into designated living areas
[10:39] Mental floss has a figurative use of pale from a 1483 translation of
[10:45] devouring
[10:47] devourgine's golden legend
[10:52] Pale to describe permissible conduct in the monasteries monks
[10:56] with him went for to dwell in desert for to keep
[11:02] more
[11:05] Strayly, I don't know what this is even supposed to be the profession of their pale
[11:11] This is back when they used a y in every word
[11:14] There's two y's in that word. I don't know
[11:17] Stray telly
[11:19] Why not? Yeah
[11:23] Uh, so yeah, it looks like this beyond the pale thing is the 1300s and yeah, they were writing about it after that
[11:33] Okay
[11:34] And shakespeare picked it up. So
[11:37] So we nailed it. We get yeah partial credit at least
[11:40] It was a curve, right