Episode 208 · August 1, 2026
Everyone's Got a Jut-Jut
A bartender friend's 'cross the line' prompts a hunt for which line. The hosts float the Rubicon and the equator-crossing ceremony; no single origin exists, though 1589 print and several myths come up.
“You live in a world of lines, Joey.” (06:07)
Questions
Where does 'crossing the line' come from, and what line? (01:17)
Our guess
Rubicon (Caesar), a proverbial line in the sand, or the nautical equator-crossing
Rubicon (Caesar), a proverbial line in the sand, or the nautical equator-crossing
Reveal the answer
The answer
No one knows exactly. First published in 1589; Gemini cites the nautical equator-crossing ceremony; related 'red line' comes from a 1928 oil agreement, and the Alamo sword line story is a 19th-century myth.
No one knows exactly. First published in 1589; Gemini cites the nautical equator-crossing ceremony; related 'red line' comes from a 1928 oil agreement, and the Alamo sword line story is a 19th-century myth.
Verdict partly
Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] Of unto Google Bulls and and for those maybe not so familiar with it is we get [00:07] either from us or [00:09] from folks writing in [00:12] There's something they don't know and [00:14] We're gonna collaborate in [00:19] The you know the spirit of you know, just making the world a little bit of a better place [00:25] For once and we're gonna we're gonna get you to the right answer [00:29] No, we're gonna check it and see where Google went wrong [00:47] Super excited [00:53] In the end it's gonna be better and more true than Google can give you [01:00] The first one the first one we have here a lot of we have a lot of origin of phrases [01:07] That people want to know about [01:10] The first one I got here Coalson this came in from you cross the line [01:17] Tell me why what do you want to know about this this actually was a mission from fan of the show [01:23] My fellow bartender Patrick we were we were talking about [01:26] I had to ban a guy last night and I was telling my the guy had crossed the line [01:32] I was telling the story and [01:34] He's like that's a good one. You should do that for in Google Bulls. I'm like, that's no, it's easy [01:38] It's just you, you know, somebody crossed the line. There's a barrier there and he's like, yeah, but what line? [01:43] And I was like, I don't know an out of bounds line. I don't the you know, the equator [01:47] He's like, well, that's the point what line so I was like, okay, we'll talk about it and [01:52] Figure we'll give it a go cross the line. What do you think? I [01:56] Also thought it was particularly easy, but it's the proverbial line in the sand, right? Okay [02:03] So you draw a line in the sand and then you come across this line [02:07] Bro, bro, it's like it was originally invented by [02:13] Siblings sharing a room [02:16] Mine that part is yours [02:22] Okay, so it's just like do you think it was a originally tape or string? [02:28] or [02:29] Just an invisible line [02:31] It's a 50s sitcom. I [02:33] I [02:35] Guess I'd always sort of imagined that it was like the Rubicon. Okay [02:43] So maybe it goes back to Caesar. It's interesting that you said the equator though [02:48] Why the equator? I don't know. I was just trying to think it like the you know [02:53] Meridian, I don't know. I was trying to think of major lines on earth that we think of [02:59] The Rubicon is a good one because it is kind of like you you've [03:02] There's no going back once you've crossed the line. Yeah, there is a [03:08] naval tradition of crossing the equator [03:12] But oh, yeah, yeah, I think you just like party [03:21] Well, actually why not yeah, why not like the Antarctic circle or the Arctic circle the Tropic of Cancer [03:28] Yeah [03:30] So if you're seafaring and you cross the equator line you have a party [03:36] It's like being in international waters or something [03:40] No, it's just you know, the first time you cross the equator is like [03:45] Big deal [03:47] But it must be an old tradition, but they still do it [03:52] They still do it. I like that. That's I mean because because when you cross the line, don't you sort of I [03:58] Mean, I guess we think of it more as [04:01] What I think of it Morris. Yeah, like breaking a rule breaking a rule [04:05] And so now yeah, instead of party now the consequences are gonna come down on you. Yeah, it's beyond the pale [04:12] Yeah, which which we also need to discuss [04:16] under Google with an under Google [04:19] But yeah, I also think of it as a form of transgression [04:25] Right, which is why I always thought of it as you know [04:28] a sort of Rubicon sort of thing right because at that point you have [04:33] Crossed a line. There is no going back in your trouble [04:37] But was crossing the Rubicon a transgression. I'm this is where I need some historical context [04:43] I mean, I know the phrase crossing the Rubicon and I once upon a time knew [04:48] when and where it happened, but [04:51] Can you can you fill us in I believe that was when [04:56] When Caesar marched his army across the last river home and he was officially [05:02] taking over [05:04] Okay, got it [05:06] So once he crossed it [05:09] There was no going back [05:12] Yeah [05:14] That was basically the incitement of the Civil War [05:19] Gotcha, okay, that brought it to power Joey you got thoughts [05:26] Yeah, you know I for [05:29] Really my thoughts start kind of Jason where you were, you know where it's the the line itself is [05:35] You know, it's a proverbial line. It doesn't matter [05:39] What it actually is it's just that this is a this is a boundary and [05:46] If it were to be crossed there would be consequences [05:49] I just think that's something that's [05:51] it's just a part of everyone's life, you know, but [05:55] It's a day. It's a it's a daily thing whether you're you know bartending or you're you know with a [06:01] Child or somebody you're friends with you know, there's always you know people [06:07] Gonna be acting a fool [06:10] So [06:15] It's keeping your boundaries it's every year you're you there there's a place that people can't go and [06:22] You live in a world of lines Joey. I do. Yeah [06:27] And there's no way this doesn't come from [06:29] Ghostbusters like cross. Yeah streams don't cross the streams. Okay, I think it's been around longer than the probably [06:37] 84 [06:41] I also think of Johnny Cash's walk the line [06:46] Well, you know what [06:49] I mean, I feel like that's the you know, you're not crossing the line, but you're you're walking the line [06:53] Yeah, walk in the lines more confident than toe in the line [06:57] Yeah [07:01] Yeah, but if you're walking the line you're right [07:04] You're just you're just playing with fire [07:07] Gonna cross it at any moment. So [07:10] Yeah, you might fall off the line and [07:14] Do a sobriety test [07:19] Yeah, I don't know what other kind of lines there are outside of proverbial lines and only other one I was thinking was was that the [07:26] line of [07:27] Succession to the room [07:30] If you cross the line of succession [07:33] you're [07:36] Deluding the power [07:39] Yes, it's a little [07:41] Or merging the powers of different things but or some more Civil War [07:49] possible etymology [07:50] so I like the the Romans as the [07:57] Beginning of this or [08:00] Yeah, or Shakespeare [08:02] Yeah, as far as how far it goes back. Yeah, I would say [08:06] People been crossing lines. Like you said Joey, everybody's got a friend. She's acting fool. I mean that goes back to the beginning of time [08:14] Tuck tucks. They're like [08:16] Come on [08:19] Jut jut [08:21] stop being a [08:27] Judge that's always up to something [08:31] Yeah, everyone's got a jut in their life, well interesting according to [08:40] What is Google's AI think [08:44] Gemini bard [08:46] Gemini Gemini says it originally it's from the nautical tradition of [08:52] A ceremony performed when a ship crosses the equator. Look here. Look you there were sailors who haven't crossed it before known as [09:01] polywogs [09:03] Undergo initiation rates to become shellbacks [09:09] Let's see the ceremony [09:11] featured a character representing King Neptune [09:15] Who presided over the initiation? [09:18] They are the polywogs are put through a series of often humorous and sometimes uncomfortable tasks [09:26] culminating in a sea baptism and [09:29] Then after successfully completing it they become shellbacks. I [09:35] Don't understand how that came to me what it means [09:38] Right. Yeah [09:41] I'm also seeing some other other potential related sources [09:48] Where ancient like like Phoenicians would they [09:52] Would pass through the Straits of Gibraltar? [09:56] Same idea as what the you know, the modern modern people would do on the equator [10:04] But yeah, I mean I I get the I [10:07] I understand why it would be celebratory to cross that line because it's [10:13] you know [10:14] your your sail in the seas and this is [10:19] Something you know, you only get to do once [10:21] Sure. Once you've done it once you're now somebody who's crossed the equator so that you can't go. Yeah, you can't go back [10:29] but I mean I I feel like the [10:31] the [10:34] The tone or you know the understanding now we said when you cross a line at something that's bad [10:39] It's like yeah, you've overstepped your bounds, right? Yeah [10:42] and [10:44] This these these Navy full got it's just a it's just a [10:49] celebration [10:51] Unless Coalson will you celebrate when you kick this guy out? Oh, yeah [10:57] It looks like we've got [10:59] originally published in [11:02] 1589 according to this [11:04] there's also I mean, so there's a phrase crossing the red line, I guess which is similar [11:12] Traces back to the red line agreement in 1928 [11:17] Between oil companies in Britain the US and France and [11:24] At the time of the end of the Ottoman Empire [11:27] The [11:30] Former Empire's borders were unclear to brevity the problem Armenian businessman Kalust [11:37] Benkian took a red pencil to draw arbitrarily the borders of the divided Empire [11:43] Which is basically? [11:45] Turkey [11:47] Iraq [11:49] Saudi Arabia Yemen. Oh my like the Saudi Peninsula. There was also a [11:55] Myth around the siege of the alimony [11:58] William Barrett Travis you were lying in the sand with a sword and urged those willing to stay and defend the fort to step across it [12:05] But that appears to have been invented in the eight in the 19th century, but may have helped popularize the phrase [12:13] Okay, and then there's another military one [12:19] from the Macedonians invading [12:22] Egypt [12:23] So it seems like it is [12:26] No one exactly knows where it comes from but yeah, it's just yeah, it's just one of those things that just makes sense [12:34] Yeah, I get behind that [12:38] So we nailed it right sure. Yeah, it looks like nice job Harper with the boat crossing the equator. Yeah