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Episode 208 · August 1, 2026

Everyone's Got a Jut-Jut

A bartender friend's 'cross the line' prompts a hunt for which line. The hosts float the Rubicon and the equator-crossing ceremony; no single origin exists, though 1589 print and several myths come up.

“You live in a world of lines, Joey.” (06:07)

Questions

Where does 'crossing the line' come from, and what line? (01:17)

Our guess
Rubicon (Caesar), a proverbial line in the sand, or the nautical equator-crossing
Reveal the answer
The answer
No one knows exactly. First published in 1589; Gemini cites the nautical equator-crossing ceremony; related 'red line' comes from a 1928 oil agreement, and the Alamo sword line story is a 19th-century myth.
Verdict partly

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Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] Of unto Google Bulls and and for those maybe not so familiar with it is we get
[00:07] either from us or
[00:09] from folks writing in
[00:12] There's something they don't know and
[00:14] We're gonna collaborate in
[00:19] The you know the spirit of you know, just making the world a little bit of a better place
[00:25] For once and we're gonna we're gonna get you to the right answer
[00:29] No, we're gonna check it and see where Google went wrong
[00:47] Super excited
[00:53] In the end it's gonna be better and more true than Google can give you
[01:00] The first one the first one we have here a lot of we have a lot of origin of phrases
[01:07] That people want to know about
[01:10] The first one I got here Coalson this came in from you cross the line
[01:17] Tell me why what do you want to know about this this actually was a mission from fan of the show
[01:23] My fellow bartender Patrick we were we were talking about
[01:26] I had to ban a guy last night and I was telling my the guy had crossed the line
[01:32] I was telling the story and
[01:34] He's like that's a good one. You should do that for in Google Bulls. I'm like, that's no, it's easy
[01:38] It's just you, you know, somebody crossed the line. There's a barrier there and he's like, yeah, but what line?
[01:43] And I was like, I don't know an out of bounds line. I don't the you know, the equator
[01:47] He's like, well, that's the point what line so I was like, okay, we'll talk about it and
[01:52] Figure we'll give it a go cross the line. What do you think? I
[01:56] Also thought it was particularly easy, but it's the proverbial line in the sand, right? Okay
[02:03] So you draw a line in the sand and then you come across this line
[02:07] Bro, bro, it's like it was originally invented by
[02:13] Siblings sharing a room
[02:16] Mine that part is yours
[02:22] Okay, so it's just like do you think it was a originally tape or string?
[02:28] or
[02:29] Just an invisible line
[02:31] It's a 50s sitcom. I
[02:33] I
[02:35] Guess I'd always sort of imagined that it was like the Rubicon. Okay
[02:43] So maybe it goes back to Caesar. It's interesting that you said the equator though
[02:48] Why the equator? I don't know. I was just trying to think it like the you know
[02:53] Meridian, I don't know. I was trying to think of major lines on earth that we think of
[02:59] The Rubicon is a good one because it is kind of like you you've
[03:02] There's no going back once you've crossed the line. Yeah, there is a
[03:08] naval tradition of crossing the equator
[03:12] But oh, yeah, yeah, I think you just like party
[03:21] Well, actually why not yeah, why not like the Antarctic circle or the Arctic circle the Tropic of Cancer
[03:28] Yeah
[03:30] So if you're seafaring and you cross the equator line you have a party
[03:36] It's like being in international waters or something
[03:40] No, it's just you know, the first time you cross the equator is like
[03:45] Big deal
[03:47] But it must be an old tradition, but they still do it
[03:52] They still do it. I like that. That's I mean because because when you cross the line, don't you sort of I
[03:58] Mean, I guess we think of it more as
[04:01] What I think of it Morris. Yeah, like breaking a rule breaking a rule
[04:05] And so now yeah, instead of party now the consequences are gonna come down on you. Yeah, it's beyond the pale
[04:12] Yeah, which which we also need to discuss
[04:16] under Google with an under Google
[04:19] But yeah, I also think of it as a form of transgression
[04:25] Right, which is why I always thought of it as you know
[04:28] a sort of Rubicon sort of thing right because at that point you have
[04:33] Crossed a line. There is no going back in your trouble
[04:37] But was crossing the Rubicon a transgression. I'm this is where I need some historical context
[04:43] I mean, I know the phrase crossing the Rubicon and I once upon a time knew
[04:48] when and where it happened, but
[04:51] Can you can you fill us in I believe that was when
[04:56] When Caesar marched his army across the last river home and he was officially
[05:02] taking over
[05:04] Okay, got it
[05:06] So once he crossed it
[05:09] There was no going back
[05:12] Yeah
[05:14] That was basically the incitement of the Civil War
[05:19] Gotcha, okay, that brought it to power Joey you got thoughts
[05:26] Yeah, you know I for
[05:29] Really my thoughts start kind of Jason where you were, you know where it's the the line itself is
[05:35] You know, it's a proverbial line. It doesn't matter
[05:39] What it actually is it's just that this is a this is a boundary and
[05:46] If it were to be crossed there would be consequences
[05:49] I just think that's something that's
[05:51] it's just a part of everyone's life, you know, but
[05:55] It's a day. It's a it's a daily thing whether you're you know bartending or you're you know with a
[06:01] Child or somebody you're friends with you know, there's always you know people
[06:07] Gonna be acting a fool
[06:10] So
[06:15] It's keeping your boundaries it's every year you're you there there's a place that people can't go and
[06:22] You live in a world of lines Joey. I do. Yeah
[06:27] And there's no way this doesn't come from
[06:29] Ghostbusters like cross. Yeah streams don't cross the streams. Okay, I think it's been around longer than the probably
[06:37] 84
[06:41] I also think of Johnny Cash's walk the line
[06:46] Well, you know what
[06:49] I mean, I feel like that's the you know, you're not crossing the line, but you're you're walking the line
[06:53] Yeah, walk in the lines more confident than toe in the line
[06:57] Yeah
[07:01] Yeah, but if you're walking the line you're right
[07:04] You're just you're just playing with fire
[07:07] Gonna cross it at any moment. So
[07:10] Yeah, you might fall off the line and
[07:14] Do a sobriety test
[07:19] Yeah, I don't know what other kind of lines there are outside of proverbial lines and only other one I was thinking was was that the
[07:26] line of
[07:27] Succession to the room
[07:30] If you cross the line of succession
[07:33] you're
[07:36] Deluding the power
[07:39] Yes, it's a little
[07:41] Or merging the powers of different things but or some more Civil War
[07:49] possible etymology
[07:50] so I like the the Romans as the
[07:57] Beginning of this or
[08:00] Yeah, or Shakespeare
[08:02] Yeah, as far as how far it goes back. Yeah, I would say
[08:06] People been crossing lines. Like you said Joey, everybody's got a friend. She's acting fool. I mean that goes back to the beginning of time
[08:14] Tuck tucks. They're like
[08:16] Come on
[08:19] Jut jut
[08:21] stop being a
[08:27] Judge that's always up to something
[08:31] Yeah, everyone's got a jut in their life, well interesting according to
[08:40] What is Google's AI think
[08:44] Gemini bard
[08:46] Gemini Gemini says it originally it's from the nautical tradition of
[08:52] A ceremony performed when a ship crosses the equator. Look here. Look you there were sailors who haven't crossed it before known as
[09:01] polywogs
[09:03] Undergo initiation rates to become shellbacks
[09:09] Let's see the ceremony
[09:11] featured a character representing King Neptune
[09:15] Who presided over the initiation?
[09:18] They are the polywogs are put through a series of often humorous and sometimes uncomfortable tasks
[09:26] culminating in a sea baptism and
[09:29] Then after successfully completing it they become shellbacks. I
[09:35] Don't understand how that came to me what it means
[09:38] Right. Yeah
[09:41] I'm also seeing some other other potential related sources
[09:48] Where ancient like like Phoenicians would they
[09:52] Would pass through the Straits of Gibraltar?
[09:56] Same idea as what the you know, the modern modern people would do on the equator
[10:04] But yeah, I mean I I get the I
[10:07] I understand why it would be celebratory to cross that line because it's
[10:13] you know
[10:14] your your sail in the seas and this is
[10:19] Something you know, you only get to do once
[10:21] Sure. Once you've done it once you're now somebody who's crossed the equator so that you can't go. Yeah, you can't go back
[10:29] but I mean I I feel like the
[10:31] the
[10:34] The tone or you know the understanding now we said when you cross a line at something that's bad
[10:39] It's like yeah, you've overstepped your bounds, right? Yeah
[10:42] and
[10:44] This these these Navy full got it's just a it's just a
[10:49] celebration
[10:51] Unless Coalson will you celebrate when you kick this guy out? Oh, yeah
[10:57] It looks like we've got
[10:59] originally published in
[11:02] 1589 according to this
[11:04] there's also I mean, so there's a phrase crossing the red line, I guess which is similar
[11:12] Traces back to the red line agreement in 1928
[11:17] Between oil companies in Britain the US and France and
[11:24] At the time of the end of the Ottoman Empire
[11:27] The
[11:30] Former Empire's borders were unclear to brevity the problem Armenian businessman Kalust
[11:37] Benkian took a red pencil to draw arbitrarily the borders of the divided Empire
[11:43] Which is basically?
[11:45] Turkey
[11:47] Iraq
[11:49] Saudi Arabia Yemen. Oh my like the Saudi Peninsula. There was also a
[11:55] Myth around the siege of the alimony
[11:58] William Barrett Travis you were lying in the sand with a sword and urged those willing to stay and defend the fort to step across it
[12:05] But that appears to have been invented in the eight in the 19th century, but may have helped popularize the phrase
[12:13] Okay, and then there's another military one
[12:19] from the Macedonians invading
[12:22] Egypt
[12:23] So it seems like it is
[12:26] No one exactly knows where it comes from but yeah, it's just yeah, it's just one of those things that just makes sense
[12:34] Yeah, I get behind that
[12:38] So we nailed it right sure. Yeah, it looks like nice job Harper with the boat crossing the equator. Yeah