Both Feet Shod

[00:00] We want to get one more segment in before you go because it's a short week
[00:05] We are
[00:06] still in the mood
[00:08] To do some wild speculation. So I think it's time for an unto Google bull
[00:14] Jason I know you guys I'm burning questions. How can I help you here?
[00:18] We do under Google bulls. That was the play of super excited. I told us we had to
[00:36] In the end, it's gonna be better and more true than Google can give you I have tons of burning questions
[00:51] This one I don't exactly remember the context of why I thought of this
[00:59] Probably talking about
[01:02] Ethan's behavior or something like that, but
[01:06] the
[01:07] The idea of somebody being a goody two shoes
[01:11] Like somebody that's that's very prim and proper and you know
[01:16] Yeah, I don't know
[01:18] Goody two shoes. So that's interesting that that that that makes me think of a slightly differently. I think you're right
[01:23] I think of it just as a straight-up suck up
[01:26] Okay, sure. Sure. Okay
[01:30] But prim and proper is maybe a little bit easier to to visualize
[01:34] No, but I think you're right. I think that the in my mind those go hand-in-hand. It's somebody it's it's
[01:41] not just a suck-up, but somebody's like that's like the
[01:46] Epitome of the the apple-shiner like teacher teacher's pet kind of yeah situation, right?
[01:52] Yeah, I think it's I mean, I think it's both there's there's I always I do think of it is sort of some of both of those
[02:00] Where yeah, I mean the person is always they're always doing everything right and
[02:08] They they're also yeah, I mean they're sucking up to teacher or you know the boss or you know
[02:14] They're always you know doing all that stuff, but it's not just in my in my opinion. It's not just
[02:20] You know, they're they're good at something. It's yeah, it's there's also the suck-up part is
[02:27] Important part of being a goody two shoes. Okay. Okay
[02:31] So like that, I guess before we get into this
[02:36] Would any of you consider yourself, you know either now or other times in your life were you a goody two shoes
[02:45] Maybe when I was very young I kind of went hard the other way at some point
[02:54] Yeah, probably it I
[02:58] Mean certainly when I was young that was a brutal follower. Yeah, sure
[03:03] 100 I was terrified of breaking
[03:08] right and
[03:10] But I never was
[03:15] Yeah, never like was a suck-up, I don't think I
[03:20] feel like I probably was and that like
[03:23] 0 to 4th grade range like
[03:26] hmm
[03:28] definitely grade school I
[03:31] Could see I could see that I could see that as a fair descriptor of where I was and then my brain broke
[03:38] sure
[03:39] And I became very good
[03:42] Yeah, and that follows to this day
[03:47] And you Joseph I mean I yeah, I mean I think I don't I don't think I was a suck-up
[03:55] I definitely was you know wanted to do you know when I was you know grade school
[03:59] I wanted to do the right thing. You don't want it to follow the rules. So
[04:04] May have been seen that way by other you know little kids, but that was never my intention so bright
[04:12] But maybe it never is I don't know
[04:15] Or did they do it maybe or do they do it knowingly? I don't know I think that well
[04:22] Yeah, that's a good question. I think there is some level of knowing this
[04:26] To a goody-two. Yeah, I mean, I think that's right
[04:31] But I also think that when we were banding that term about back when people would deny this accusation people weren't like leaning in
[04:40] Right for sure. So no, it's not a compliment. It's certainly not
[04:47] Yeah, so when do we think this phrase came about like is this?
[04:53] A
[04:55] More recent post shoes. Yeah, definitely in the last 20,000 years. Oh any time in human history. Okay, great
[05:04] So, yeah, do we think this is like a modern recent thing or it's goes back to I
[05:12] I'm just to me that that hinges on why is it two shoes?
[05:18] Is it like the only thing I could think of is like it's somebody
[05:22] like if you were bad or
[05:24] You know, what was it? Like, uh, you know, were you not able does your family not able to afford two shoes, right? Right, right
[05:32] You know like goody two shoes over here. Yeah his both feet shod
[05:40] This guy
[05:42] Show off over here. Yeah
[05:45] Like this is coming. This is like depression era with
[05:49] No one has shoes and right. Yeah
[05:54] Well, so when you first did the permanent proper thing
[05:58] Excuse me. My first thought was you know, the person who like, you know
[06:03] It's easy for me to visualize someone who just like is very tidy very
[06:07] Squared away, right? The shoes are always shined and that could be an indicator of other behaviors perhaps, right?
[06:14] Mm-hmm, but also just kind of sounds like a candy bar to me
[06:18] Or like a weird mob name
[06:21] Yes, don't do shoes, you know
[06:24] Two shoes over here. I don't know. I feel like you bar. Yeah, when did when did people have shoes that needed shining?
[06:35] I feel like patent leather wasn't anything until that 20th century
[06:40] Maybe well, so like I think I think that we you
[06:43] I
[06:44] Well, I think that we now have you know, if you guys remember we've done the name game before
[06:50] on the show and I think I think candy bar or mob name is
[06:58] Addition Coalson definitely needs to put that game together. Don't worry about that Coalson. Yeah
[07:06] Yeah, nothing for this one
[07:10] The the shining
[07:14] Makes sense. I wonder does is this
[07:19] Potentially military in origin
[07:21] in any way like
[07:23] It feels awful vanilla for a military insult, isn't it? It does certainly
[07:31] But I mean but you can imagine that you know, if you're in if you're in boot camp and there's one guy
[07:38] That's always doing everything, right?
[07:40] Right, they would be not the most popular person. Yeah
[07:46] But yeah, they would come up with something much worse than gonna tissues
[07:52] Like a beating
[07:54] right
[07:56] And you don't need a fancy nickname for a beating. Is there any chance that goody is a trade name?
[08:03] Hmm, like Sam goody
[08:07] Like there's a brand of shoes. Maybe there was a brand of goody shoes. Hmm
[08:14] That's a good yeah
[08:17] You know, I always feel like the you know, the goody and certainly doesn't discount this but the goody to me was sort of like the
[08:25] Yeah, like they're always doing that the right thing
[08:29] Two shoes
[08:34] Maybe it was just a different time when the shoes were not like a foregone conclusion
[08:38] Yeah, or maybe there just was rampant one shoe punishments going on where yeah, I mean, I guess
[08:45] If you only had one shoe, does it make sense to just wear no shoes?
[08:49] Well, that's the punishment you have to wear one so they're uneven. It's uncomfortable. Yep. Yep
[08:54] And it's like walking and it's very noticeable. Yeah. Oh sure. I mean that would that would be
[09:02] Yeah, I'd hate that if you were just walk around one. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going with like weird 1800s punishment
[09:09] Okay, okay, I mean that's that's
[09:15] about
[09:16] the best best best guess we've got so far mean
[09:20] falconry anyone
[09:24] Maybe this stuff would steal one shoe. Yeah, is there any way this is nautical innocent. It could be a horse
[09:32] Well, no, I just as you were saying that
[09:36] But the horses would have four shoes right like that's good point
[09:40] Maybe I don't know but the jockeys would have two shoes. Mm-hmm
[09:46] Hmm. Yeah, let's go horse racing in 18th century
[09:54] That's my guess. All right. I like it. I don't know any no reason. How are we spelling goodie?
[10:01] I'm good. G. O. D. Y.
[10:05] Yeah, that's what I was doing to you. So dictionary comm says an ostentatiously virtuous or well-behaved
[10:17] Yeah
[10:19] Uh
[10:21] Google says
[10:23] from the nickname of the heroine of history of little goody two shoes from
[10:30] 1776 a popular children's story in which an orphan girl triumphed over adversity
[10:36] Through her unwavering virtue and hard work to become a teacher and marry a rich man
[10:43] Using her newfound wealth to help the poor and do good works
[10:47] It was the
[10:50] Descendorella story of
[10:52] Goody two shoes the nickname of a poor orphan girl named Marjorie Meanwell
[10:58] clever clever naming who goes through life with only one shoe
[11:03] So what that's something
[11:07] When a rich gentleman gives her a complete pair she was so happy that she tells everyone that she has two shoes
[11:14] Where's the goody? That's just cuz she does
[11:21] Good work cuz she means well just her name. Maybe she doesn't mean oh
[11:31] so how did they get the
[11:34] Negative con I mean in this story, it's a Cinderella, you know, it's a Cinderella variation
[11:43] She's in the you know, it seems like she's a good a good person and
[11:48] Mmm has you know a virtuous person
[11:53] so according to wiki
[11:55] Although the history of little goody two shoes is credited with popularizing the term goody two shoes
[12:00] The actual origin of the phrase is of course
[12:06] For example, it appears a century earlier in Charles Cotton's voyage to Ireland in burlesque
[12:11] mistress Maris complained that the pottage was cold and
[12:15] all long of your fiddle faddle quotes she
[12:18] Why then goody two shoes? What if it be hold on if you can your tittle-tattle quote he
[12:26] Because it that that's apparently what bone she was in 1670
[12:31] And it's another candy name fiddle vattle
[12:35] What is that? Isn't that?
[12:37] It's like caramel popcorn or something. Yeah. Yeah, and and maybe a mobster
[12:44] Hey fiddle, I need you to take this guy out
[12:49] a
[12:51] Goody a shortening of good wife being equivalent of mrs. And two shoes
[12:56] explicitly compared or people have issues interesting
[13:06] mental floss says that originally
[13:08] the phrase of being the goody
[13:11] Was not always a bad thing
[13:14] But by the 1870s, there was another phrase goody goody based on an earlier
[13:21] 19th century use sense of goody as someone characterized by inept manifestations of good or pious sentiment
[13:32] The goody goody influence our modern usage of the term goody two shoes
[13:42] Hmm interesting. All right
[13:46] Don't know that we got a super satisfactory answer, but
[13:49] There's also we won't talk about candy some more. Mm-hmm. Sure
[13:54] Phrases org UK. We're talking about goody. Goody. There's a children's phrase
[14:03] That was from that, you know the the story
[14:07] the children's phrase goody gumdrops and goody goody gumdrops became began life in the early mid 20th century and
[14:15] The expression was found in the herald teen cartoon strip. You guys know that
[14:21] by the American cartoonist Carl ed in
[14:24] 1936 but goody gumdrops
[14:31] And if you'd like to use it a phrase or use as a sentence
[14:36] cries of jubilation include Wow wacko goody gumdrops lovely grub and
[14:43] by gog jolly custard
[14:46] Lovely grub I'm I'm definitely gonna integrate by gog jolly custard into my binocular
[14:55] Hence the fourth post-haste. Yes to wit