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[00:35] Uh, Jason, I hear you've got a good one this week.
[00:39] I do.
[00:40] Okay.
[00:41] So I have a kid now.
[00:43] Um, and we have started, you know, we, we just, parenting is just coming up with
[00:51] random ideas to entertain a child for the infinite amount of time that they're awake.
[00:58] It's a whole gig.
[00:59] It's that's the whole plan is just, oh, I got to keep you engaged so you don't destroy things.
[01:05] So, uh, so we started doing, giving Ethan a piggyback rides on my back.
[01:16] Let's do a piggyback ride.
[01:17] You got to hold on tight.
[01:18] Yeah, blah, blah, blah.
[01:20] Here we go.
[01:20] Here we go.
[01:21] And I got to thinking, why in the world do we call this a piggyback?
[01:27] Pigs don't do that.
[01:29] Nobody rides a pig and pigs don't jump on other pigs backs as far as I know.
[01:35] Well, I'm, I'm thinking that's wrong.
[01:38] I think people do jump on the backs of pigs.
[01:40] Really?
[01:41] You think people, boars, maybe pigs are pigs are big, but they're not that big.
[01:46] Plus we ride like everything.
[01:48] We ride like horses and boars, murder people, right?
[01:53] Yeah.
[01:54] You know, I was thinking like, you know, when the kids, uh, piggybacking and
[01:58] they're like, they got like a stranglehold around your neck and you're
[02:01] like, don't choke out dad while you're piggybacking.
[02:04] I'm wondering if, if there was a, we got to choke out some pigs back in the day.
[02:11] You jump on the back of the pig and choke them out.
[02:13] Yeah.
[02:14] Okay.
[02:15] Or, or before people got smart and like, uh, funneled pigs into the right place
[02:22] for slaughter, you had to jump on their back and wrestle them to the ground.
[02:26] Yeah.
[02:26] Wrestling.
[02:27] I definitely think that was the thing.
[02:28] Yeah.
[02:29] You have to jump on top of a pig and bring it down.
[02:33] It seems not super fun.
[02:35] Well, and I think that you're doing, and you know, in anticipation of murder,
[02:41] it's like not super playful.
[02:44] It's not super playful.
[02:45] It's also, why did you just, yeah.
[02:47] Why don't you just spear it or shoot it or, you know, there are lots of other
[02:51] things you could do probably.
[02:53] You don't want to scare the other pigs because they're so smart.
[02:55] Like, yeah, I think, I think you would scare the pigs, uh, by jumping
[02:59] on the back of one of them.
[03:00] That would also do the trick.
[03:03] Sure.
[03:05] Well, the, the, the orientation of the piggyback ride doesn't make sense then.
[03:11] Agree.
[03:13] You would think we would call a piggyback ride if you got down on all fours and
[03:17] then had your kid ride on your back, you'd call that a piggyback ride.
[03:21] Not when you're standing up and carrying them around.
[03:26] So you're saying that for the metaphor to work, that a pig has to be on a
[03:30] human's back.
[03:34] I'm saying that it's another game that we play as we put, we, uh, you can
[03:40] be a horse, it can be a horse.
[03:42] And so I'm on all fours and the kitchen and that's not called piggybacking.
[03:46] That's not called the piggyback.
[03:47] That's a horse.
[03:48] You know, we're playing horse or ride horsey.
[03:51] Yeah.
[03:51] Yeah.
[03:51] Okay.
[03:53] So, but a piggyback ride is specifically when you're standing up and
[03:56] they're hanging off your shoulders.
[03:58] Yes.
[03:59] Now it's also worth remembering that pigs weren't 1200 pound behemoths before
[04:06] crazy human intervention with drugs.
[04:10] So they used to be a lot smaller if that means.
[04:14] Okay.
[04:14] Yeah.
[04:15] So in less likely that you would ride them.
[04:18] I would think unless you're a tiny child.
[04:21] Yeah.
[04:22] Oh yeah.
[04:22] Maybe this is like a fun game.
[04:24] You know what?
[04:25] That actually makes a lot of sense.
[04:26] You know, we used to, uh, you know, everybody had like 15 kids because
[04:30] you had to like work on the farm.
[04:32] Like you basically were, we're having children to be, um, you know, free labor.
[04:37] This is the whole point of having children.
[04:40] Yeah.
[04:40] And I wonder if like, you know, you got all these kids and one of the, the
[04:44] past times was you got little kids riding pigs and that's like real fun.
[04:50] Like maybe less murdery and taken down the pig and like more of like a pastime.
[04:54] Yeah.
[04:55] Cause I'm thinking that, I mean, pigs are actually pretty sweet little
[04:58] animals for the most part when you're not trying to murder them mostly.
[05:05] So yeah, that's possible.
[05:07] Okay.
[05:08] And then somehow, and how, what does that get transitioned to the
[05:13] kid jumping on your back is just, it's at night and the kid, uh, can't
[05:19] go jump on the pig's backs.
[05:20] Nope.
[05:20] No one could afford a horse.
[05:22] There was no such thing as a horseback ride.
[05:24] So this might help us with the timeframe.
[05:26] Right.
[05:27] So, uh, so, uh, England and the, some other, whatever, 1600s.
[05:35] Potentially, potentially.
[05:37] Sure.
[05:38] And then, and so you get kids riding the pigs for fun.
[05:41] And then when they jumped on your, the parents back, they
[05:45] associated it like sort of thing.
[05:46] So the only other thing that I had is that because pigs prior to
[05:51] being big fat fuckers, um, you know, you probably could playfully
[05:56] pick them up on your own back and carry them to slaughter.
[05:59] So
[06:04] like that's maybe a thing that you can potentially do if they
[06:06] weigh 50 and not 500 pounds.
[06:08] Did you, you have, do you, but you have like a, do you have a pig
[06:11] backpack, like some sort of sling?
[06:14] No, I don't think that the pigs are just playful and fun.
[06:17] Like, Oh, burlap sack.
[06:18] They throw them.
[06:19] Yeah.
[06:19] You need it like a burlap sack.
[06:21] Cause I don't think you could just like, hang on to them while you're
[06:23] walking, they're like, Oh, my human wants to play.
[06:27] We're having so much fun.
[06:28] This is great.
[06:29] My human wants to, to the bacon store.
[06:39] All right.
[06:39] Is there any other, cause I was trying to think of other like alternate.
[06:44] We don't call anything else a piggy, right?
[06:46] Well, you know, it did make me think of, uh, uh, playing piggy, like when
[06:50] you do the little toes, you know, this little piggy went to market,
[06:54] this little piggy went, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[06:57] And that's what does that come from?
[07:02] I don't know.
[07:02] It comes from slaughtering pigs to market.
[07:05] Yeah, I mean, yeah.
[07:06] And so, but we turned that into a tow game for kids.
[07:11] So I wonder if that's related somehow.
[07:13] Maybe.
[07:14] Yeah.
[07:15] It's all one thing.
[07:16] Yeah.
[07:16] Why, why did we start calling toes?
[07:18] Piggies?
[07:19] Right.
[07:20] I mean, they do look kind of piggy ish.
[07:24] It's kind of amorphous.
[07:26] Amorphous pinky, you know, if your kid crawls on your back, uh, with
[07:32] their feet, the little piggies, children are amorphous little blocks.
[07:36] I'm with you.
[07:36] I'm with you.
[07:37] All right.
[07:38] All right.
[07:38] So we're thinking, we're thinking this came from farming culture, but
[07:44] before people could have horses.
[07:46] Or before, I mean, rich people had horses, but like, I mean, you
[07:50] could have horses, but most, yeah, ever.
[07:53] Yeah.
[07:53] We've had horses for a long time, but yeah, the poor, um, people
[07:58] didn't have horses.
[07:59] They had pigs.
[08:00] So we're thinking, I mean, it can come from any time period,
[08:03] really, at that point.
[08:05] It could be, it could be 1800s.
[08:08] Well, they had horses and pigs back then.
[08:14] And I got to think that this is like a common thing.
[08:17] Yeah.
[08:17] Like, I'm going to say humans have been doing this since the
[08:21] beginning of, yeah, whatever this thing is, yeah, whatever this
[08:25] thing is carrying their children on their back.
[08:27] Yes.
[08:28] I mean, like monkeys, like dude, this is how they carry
[08:30] your kids on your back.
[08:31] Sure.
[08:32] Yeah.
[08:32] Yeah.
[08:34] For sure.
[08:34] And so, yeah, to say nothing of marsupials.
[08:39] Well, right.
[08:40] But, you know, you, you think of hunter gatherer, right?
[08:42] You know, like, if you're, like you're traveling a lot, um, you
[08:45] know, as a, uh, as a people's throwing your kid on your back
[08:49] and your head now, you know,
[08:51] and it's just that having had a kid, it's just a natural thing.
[08:54] It's how you got your kids around.
[08:56] They didn't have strollers.
[08:57] I would rather carry this down in there.
[08:59] Like at the same level of union.
[09:01] You're like, get on, buddy.
[09:02] Let's carry this baggage.
[09:03] Then listen to it.
[09:04] Why?
[09:05] So that, right.
[09:07] Or running away from a board, holding its hand or whatever.
[09:13] Or a woolly man who knows.
[09:16] So, okay.
[09:17] So we're going to say this guy.
[09:19] I, I think this goes back.
[09:20] Yeah.
[09:21] Pliny the younger as far as we can go.
[09:24] Yep.
[09:24] Pliny the elder.
[09:25] Pliny the elder.
[09:26] Well, no, I don't think the phrase goes back that far.
[09:30] Clearly we've been carrying our children this way since the dawn of time.
[09:33] But I think it comes from, uh, in the pig, right?
[09:37] Kids writing pigs.
[09:39] Uh, let's say, uh, let's say 17th century.
[09:42] France.
[09:43] Okay.
[09:45] What are you going to do?
[09:46] You're going to go Austro-Hungarian.
[09:50] We haven't, they haven't showed up yet.
[09:53] Yeah.
[09:53] I'm going to go with this is like, uh, you know, it, I mean, if it's not like
[10:00] Pliny the elder, then I'm going to go like strangely like American West or
[10:05] something like, it's just like a weird colloquialism that just didn't exist
[10:11] before that.
[10:12] It feels a little bit like civil war time.
[10:16] I mean, it feels like, it feels like Pliny the elder.
[10:20] Middle ages, uh, England origin stretch back to the mid 16th century when
[10:28] people called carried various goods on their backs or the backs of animals.
[10:33] Uh, the term for this practice back then was pick pack to piggyback and
[10:38] put it on your back.
[10:38] Yeah.
[10:40] That's what I'm getting as well.
[10:44] Yeah.
[10:44] Pick a pack pack, uh, then went to pick a back and then it literally
[10:52] has nothing to do with pigs.
[10:54] Uh, of course.
[10:56] Cause it's just, of course.
[11:01] Pick could also mean pitch.
[11:04] So the leading theory is yeah.
[11:06] Pishback or pick back.
[11:08] Oh God.
[11:09] Why is language so dumb?
[11:11] It really makes on to beatables hard when like they just make stuff up piggyback
[11:16] didn't come around until the 19th century or something like that earlier.
[11:20] Probably pick a pick a back, um, was in the 18th century and pig go back was
[11:27] used in a thing called a dialogue in the Devonshire dialect, uh, which
[11:33] was published in 1837 piggyback was being used in the U S by the 1800s.
[11:39] So, well, I mean, I think we nailed it, right?
[11:46] We did not nail that one at all.
[11:48] Kind of right on a timeframe.
[11:50] Uh, if fastest mile piggyback race, according to Guinness is 11 minutes
[11:56] and 11.81 seconds, what set in 2015 by Jordan bot, right.
[12:04] And Owen Larson, that's my dues.
[12:06] Larson was carrying bot, right?
[12:07] I would say that, yeah.
[12:08] Okay.
[12:09] So I don't, I don't think bot right is, uh, involved here at all.
[12:13] That was set by Larson.
[12:14] He was carrying money.
[12:16] Yeah.
[12:17] I mean, but you gotta be like a, you know, it's like leaning with the bike
[12:21] or against the bike on a motorcycle in the back.
[12:23] I don't know.
[12:23] Maybe he was helping somehow helping during the turns like in a, uh,
[12:27] so exactly just lean into those.
[12:32] Um, so pick pack leads to pick a pack leads to picky pack.
[12:39] Like I said, I don't, I don't understand how we didn't know this.
[12:42] Cool.
[12:43] Right.
[12:44] That's exactly what I said to the tape.
[12:46] I'm pretty sure that's how Harper started this whole thing.
[12:50] No, yeah, that was, that was good one.
[12:53] I liked that one.
[12:54] Thank you for that.
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