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Episode 151 · July 30, 2022

No Pressure

A host's rice came out badly, and the group works out that a rice cooker's "cup" isn't a US cup.

“Pacer Nation, I don't have a rice cooker. That's all I'm saying.” (16:47)

Questions

Why is a rice cooker cup a different size from a measuring cup? (02:35)

Our guess
The rice cooker's "cup" is really a scoop or a metric-based unit, translated as "cup", perhaps from Japan.
Reveal the answer
The answer
A rice cooker cup is about 180 ml, while a US cup is about 240 ml. The rice cooker uses a traditional Japanese measure (similar in volume to a sake cup), so the two are not interchangeable.
Verdict right

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Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] do you guys have time for a quick under google sure
[00:03] why not a short one yeah i mean mate probably
[00:07] um Joey sounds like he's got a burning question that he has i do he really does
[00:11] and i actually i really wanted an answer for this
[00:14] okay all right let's do it then we do an under google rules
[00:29] that was the playa super excited um told us we had to
[00:35] he said we signed up for it in the end it's going to be better and more true
[00:41] than google can give you um so here's the deal um i went to go
[00:49] make um i was gonna make some rice in our house
[00:53] um one night and they just said hey can you make it so i said all right
[00:57] so we've got a rice cooker and it's pretty easy you said when you say they
[01:02] you mean like your wife and your baby the family the
[01:05] the family was the family was over uh like
[01:08] the baby said i really need some rice right now yeah he looked at me
[01:12] and he and he said and you know you know i don't leave words to
[01:16] communicate with him sure sure it was sort of a look so no
[01:20] pressure here a household of uh chinese family members so let's go
[01:25] make some rice well here's the thing i've done it a bunch of times
[01:29] okay there's like four asian women being like make rice perfectly that have
[01:35] all have their long careers of running successful running like in restaurants
[01:39] yeah it's not just like your average right no pressure at all this is going
[01:44] great so they say i'm getting i'm sweating
[01:48] already can you can you make rice i said sure
[01:51] and i've done it a bunch of times um
[01:56] um so we've got a rice cooker it's just you know
[01:59] it's a machine that's you know utility appliance or appliance or whatever like
[02:05] made just for that so basically on the inside of it there's
[02:08] there's just the numbers and essentially it's you know you put whatever amount of
[02:12] rice in there and then there's numbers there you put the water up to
[02:15] the line so but here's the problem i made the rice
[02:18] it was not good and i was like i was like what
[02:22] happened here and you know it was like it was really tough
[02:27] and so there wasn't enough water in there and the reason was al dente or it
[02:32] was like it didn't get cooked all the way
[02:35] yeah it was like al dente it was not yeah like a hard center
[02:38] it was like different than al dente pasta yeah don't get rice is not really
[02:42] al dente but not in a good way yeah yeah and um
[02:46] so here's the eating seeds the problem was
[02:50] i used a measure like a cup of rice um
[02:57] but the deal is there is a cup that comes with your rice cooker
[03:03] and it's also one cup but it's a different size cup um
[03:10] so i want to know why there's two different size
[03:14] cups they're both called cups and they have a different like different volume
[03:19] of measuring so they're not interchangeable
[03:23] okay this is interesting because we we just had this debate in my household
[03:27] um a few weeks ago as well because we have like
[03:30] you know like pyrex things with a handle which is what i use to measure liquids
[03:35] and then we have regular measuring cups which i use for dry goods because then
[03:39] because in my uh it's their understanding is there it's different
[03:45] right there's a a liquid cup and there's a dry cup
[03:51] but jill was like no that's stupid a cup that's
[03:55] yeah and we looked it up and she and she was right
[03:59] right up is a cup a cup is a cup is a cup like it doesn't matter
[04:02] like just feels different in the picture exactly but it cups a cup
[04:06] right right so i don't know what's going on with your
[04:10] rice cooker well it's not the cooker the cooker comes
[04:13] with its own cup is that what you're saying
[04:15] yeah like they hold it how would what is it is it like
[04:19] how does it work is it like inside it is it like hanging off the side like
[04:23] is it yeah in the box and you just keep it nearby it's just in the box or
[04:26] whatever and then yeah i mean we just put it like we just put it in a
[04:29] drawer and then when it's like now i put them in the same drawer and i
[04:33] know when it's time to make rice i use the specific one
[04:37] but when i'm making literally anything else i use like the
[04:41] measuring cups you know but it shouldn't matter right because it's ratio
[04:45] of rice to water so yes this the same
[04:53] cup right so you measure a cup of rice with the rice cup or
[04:57] rice cooker cup and then two cups of water
[05:01] no no no so that's actually not so in the rice cooker
[05:05] so they have lines in there so it's like says you know one two three for like so
[05:09] it's essentially if you do one cup of rice
[05:11] bring the water to this line if you have two cups of rice bring the water to this
[05:15] line okay sure and so if you're using a
[05:18] different sized cup then that that marking does not account for
[05:23] that you know different size there shouldn't be a different size cup
[05:28] is it is it that's why i call that's why i'm here
[05:31] john is it literally called a cup or is it
[05:34] just a cup that you're calling a cup in your head it says
[05:37] it says like the number one is yeah exactly is this a kleenex tissue
[05:41] situation exactly it's like use the use the cup
[05:45] and it's capitalized it's its own thing it's a cup with a k or something i
[05:51] don't know right exactly no and i i measured them
[05:54] they're they're different like uh like you oh so you put water in one
[05:58] oh yeah i put water in that one and then i poured it into the cup and then
[06:01] they're different so did you pour it into something else to figure out if
[06:04] it's like in you know in some different ounces or
[06:08] something i don't know uh no i just i don't i just poured the
[06:12] rice cup i fill up the rice cup one with water
[06:15] and then i pour that into like a measuring cup and then they were
[06:18] not you know i was it was my rice cup was full and then i poured it into the
[06:22] measuring cup and it was not full okay so the rice cup is more less less
[06:28] less yeah and so what happened was which makes
[06:32] sense for if you took a dry measuring cup and put a
[06:34] thing of rice your water to rice ratio was off
[06:38] exactly yes so there was more rice to water than there should have been
[06:42] right so that's what happened um i think you just got a
[06:48] janky rice cooker well no that is not that is not true
[06:53] because when i use the the the cup that comes with it it's
[06:57] perfect every time no i know what i'm saying is that it's some sort of off
[07:00] brand that's created its own version of cup
[07:03] no it's the brand they use in the restaurants it's just the smaller home
[07:06] version yeah it's like it's the same one
[07:08] macado has it's just as way smaller i mean the issue is that it's the bigger
[07:12] one probably uses an actual cup get out of here
[07:16] yeah no yeah it's a it's a verbiage problem it's your machine
[07:20] they shouldn't say insert one cup of right for every cup of rice do this
[07:26] much they say for every scoop yep every scoop sure that's right using
[07:30] our scoop our scoop i completely agree with you Jason i think that is the
[07:35] answer they've created their own scoop ratio
[07:37] that works in their smaller version of things
[07:40] and they just called it a cup even though it's not literally a baking cup
[07:44] it is a scoop yep and that's the answer that that
[07:50] tracks like but they're evil i just don't know we're doing it i agree
[07:54] i just feel like well it comes it comes from the
[07:57] the problem of the fact that we use the word cup
[08:03] as like a which is a general term right like a cup is a cup i go to the
[08:08] the cabinet and get a cup to drink some water like
[08:11] but somehow that is also like an official measurement
[08:14] in baking is one cup or whatever which is a problem we have
[08:18] in this is the problem we have in the freaking america right they don't they
[08:22] don't do baking with cups in in uh other
[08:27] countries right no right yeah if you watch the
[08:30] great british baking show they weigh things they're like how many grams of
[08:33] this and how many whatever yeah yeah so i mean this is
[08:36] this is basically you know so this is america's fault this is
[08:41] this is this is this is feet versus meters this is
[08:46] or england's fault and then after that our fault
[08:50] because we didn't switch to the metric system right and i assume if he's got
[08:54] some sort of rice cooker it's probably not being made by
[08:58] somebody that cares about the american system of of
[09:03] you know measurement well what it could be is the instruction manual
[09:08] is you know if it's uh you know manufactured in
[09:12] china or it's or even or even japan because they're on a metric system you
[09:17] know right so they're just translating their
[09:20] instruction manual right and somebody's like oh cup
[09:23] like use the cup right and and our stupid english brains
[09:28] american brains because we in our world a cup is like an official
[09:32] measurement but it's also a coffee cup and it's
[09:36] also a drinking cup or it's whatever cup came with your race
[09:39] cup that covers your balls like there's a ton of things that a
[09:43] cup is
[09:49] it's a long walk to work all right for not much payoff
[09:55] for a balls joke all right Joey you went on a field trip what did where did i
[09:59] went to go look we actually had used it this evening
[10:02] and um i i wanted to just look and see on the on the inside where the markings
[10:07] were i wanted to see if it actually used the
[10:10] word cup and it does not it sounds like your family judged you for
[10:15] something that you assumed and and and rightfully so because
[10:20] you're um you know a white dude um and then
[10:24] it was wrong and now we were discussing it at the break Joey is that
[10:28] probably or in the break while you were on your field trip
[10:32] is probably like in japan in asia they don't use cup cup is not a
[10:37] measuring thing they probably are on the metric
[10:40] system and they use x number of grams of rice
[10:43] per numbers of milliliters of water and so to make it easy they've created a
[10:51] scoop versus a scoop and a line that you
[10:54] fill it too but they call it a cut because of the
[10:56] it's like a two to one volume wreck so here's the deal um
[11:04] there is the standard so the the rice cup is 180 milliliters
[11:12] and the u.s cup is 240 oh yeah okay it's a huge difference that's a
[11:18] big way it's like it's it's like 25 uh yeah that's why your rice came out bad
[11:24] it was not good and i also the thing that like
[11:27] that made it personal for me was the fact that i like
[11:32] i kind of made dinner less uh you know less good for like
[11:35] a big large group of people you know it was
[11:39] passable is not the right word it was uh it was edible look it was edible this
[11:44] this is an understandable mistake though and i think you
[11:47] i think what this under google has taught us
[11:50] is that you should forgive yourself mm-hmm yep because it says this is one of
[11:56] those things where languages get mixed up and it's uh
[12:00] you know it's not your fault it's it's the history of uh human culture
[12:09] well so it's also the rice cooker people could
[12:15] understand that there's an entire market of people
[12:18] that play by different play by this weird cup
[12:23] rule and they could just make their rice cup
[12:27] scooper an actual cup and well here's the problem
[12:32] is that well a couple things about this but like
[12:35] the uh so like in japan where where this one's from
[12:40] so have you seen like in japanese restaurants they have um
[12:44] uh wooden sake cups sure um it's the same size as those it's the same volume
[12:50] so it's um like the same historical um oh i see
[12:57] size so it's like a cultural thing okay there all right and also at this point
[13:04] everybody like we have multiples at home too but like anybody who's had other
[13:07] rice cookers you just keep that thing and they're this
[13:10] those are all the same and so everybody uh
[13:15] everybody already has a bunch of those at home so you don't have to
[13:19] use like we've got a cup so basically you just grabbed the cup out of
[13:23] the drawer when you should have grabbed the the
[13:27] rice yeah we had the other right we had the other we had the rice one i just
[13:30] the other one was there here's what i'm thinking i'm thinking
[13:34] uh super glue a magnet to the rice cup and then just have the
[13:40] the cups magneted to the the rice cooker at all times so you don't get
[13:44] mixed them up that's an option that's an option
[13:47] that's my that's my theory just it's always there it's always right there or
[13:51] always do you know scoop your rice in whatever you're going to scoop it in
[13:58] you could use a sake cup you could use you know a coffee cup
[14:03] and then use the same thing to fill your water you can do
[14:06] two to one it's all about ratios it's all about no no no yeah well
[14:10] the thing is well if if you're using the rice cooker it's
[14:13] it's got the the water in there i don't even know what the ratio is
[14:17] i just put in it's two to one is the ratio
[14:21] i'm pretty sure two to one uh i don't know what a stovetop it's two stovetop
[14:26] so i don't we don't generally make it on the stovetop
[14:29] we have two rice cookers in our house we've got a new style and an old style
[14:34] don't mix up your cups because it sounds like this is
[14:37] an issue no i i've i learned my lesson i just didn't know why
[14:41] that was the thing you think i'm going to make that mistake again so it goes
[14:45] back to old japan sake cups is the answer basically yes
[14:51] okay probably falcons but yeah probably falcons
[14:55] well you should have called us because we would have we would have
[14:59] i'm gonna help you through this yeah that's that's all me my bad
[15:03] i don't know that's i would have done the same i think i did do the same thing i
[15:08] think i had a rice cooker at one point in
[15:11] time and could never make a good batch of rice because i was doing the same
[15:13] thing that you were doing yeah yeah and i was like why is why is this thing
[15:17] good right why is this thing well that was
[15:20] that's the thing like one of the reasons i wanted one in the first
[15:23] place was because you basically can't mess it up right
[15:27] you know once you've got you do it right i mean
[15:30] yeah i mean it's just i mean it's it's literally
[15:33] you know you take whatever one cup two cups three cups of rice how many people
[15:37] coming over whatever you you know you take that much rice
[15:41] you wash it you put it in there fill to that line
[15:44] and then you push a button and then you walk away and then i don't know
[15:47] half hour later you got perfect rice yeah i was able to
[15:51] make rice to satisfy you know the the stingiest critic
[15:57] this is why i don't cook enough rice because i don't have a rice cooker i
[15:59] get it's too much it's i get so nervous doing it on the stove top i mean i do it
[16:04] but it's a lot of work i need i need a rice cooker
[16:08] hashtag rice cooker hashtag undebeatables coleson gifts
[16:15] um can you you could buy it through amazon
[16:18] which would give us a cut and then send it to uh
[16:22] Joey's house because that's the only address you have i think
[16:27] i don't think they have my address okay good because that's been not a good idea
[16:31] until you tweet it so i can get so i can get my
[16:35] rice liquor presents from the from the fans i'm just saying pacer nation i
[16:41] don't have a rice cooker that's all i'm saying
[16:43] you would dock me on accident and you wouldn't even you would
[16:47] no idea all right chance well i'm glad i'm glad we
[16:52] sorted that out did we i just i mean felt like we know about rice
[16:57] cookers but we don't know which center to trade
[17:00] and we also don't know where we're bad at basketball but we could make you a good
[17:06] good cup of rice um if you use the right scoop