Abundance of Corn

[00:00] Coalson, you got an under Google for us. Is that right?
[00:05] We do under Google rules. That was the play of super excited told us we had to
[00:18] We signed up for it in the end it's gonna be better and more true than Google can give you I do actually have two quick ones
[00:29] I'll start with the non Thanksgiving one and then we'll get into Thanksgiving one
[00:33] So just if you're if you if you're only listening to this podcast for a holiday content, you have to wait till the end
[00:38] That's how we do it
[00:42] There's no way to fast-forward through this so
[00:45] Impossible technology doesn't get our advert. Yeah, and our sponsors are gonna be so happy. They made people wait till the end
[00:55] The first one is the phrase
[00:58] Let's blow this popsicle stand
[01:00] I want to know I want to know about the era it came from I want to know
[01:07] When popsicles came in and when popsicle stands came in and when when we said blow to mean leave
[01:13] Can we figure all this stuff out? How did this phrase come about?
[01:18] Is that a phrase
[01:21] Yeah, yeah, I've heard that I've always here like pop stand though
[01:26] I've always heard this. Let's blow this popsicle stand
[01:28] I feel like I've heard that but I thought that was like a conglomeration of like
[01:35] Different things. Well, if that's the case, then we need to explore that as well. Okay, I
[01:41] Always assumed it was like a 50s like Coney's Island
[01:44] like thing Coney Island, I don't know why I made it plural is
[01:52] General attorneys Jim Coney's
[01:54] Island
[01:58] You know where you know, it's it's like summer and there's a popsicle stand and and you're you're hanging out
[02:04] With the girl and you want to go make out in the car and you say let's blow this popsicle stand
[02:08] But I don't I don't really know. I
[02:11] Definitely also thought it was a 50s thing just because it's goofy
[02:17] Because everything goofy comes from the 50s, but also there's like a non-zero chance that it's a pretty gross double entendre
[02:24] Mmm, it's what we do here. I think that's just in your head
[02:33] Yeah, popsicles did not exist until the 20th century. I would assume. Yeah, definitely
[02:42] post refrigeration
[02:44] right in the house like
[02:46] Did popsicle sticks come up before tongue depressors or was it the the other way around?
[02:53] A
[02:54] Good question. I'm guessing tongue depressors were there first. Okay. Yeah, and then some of these
[02:59] They were getting checked up, you know at the doctor was like, you know, what would be great on this? Is it frozen water?
[03:06] Yep
[03:07] With lots of sugar in it. Yeah
[03:12] Refrigeration became widespread and I mean the 20s and 30s. Yeah
[03:20] Yeah, something like that. So maybe maybe it came a little bit earlier because I mean popsicle stands
[03:26] Certainly you would go to like the state fair where they would have a popsicle novelty
[03:31] But once everybody has a refrigerator in their home, everybody can make them or buy so you don't have to go to the stand
[03:36] right, I
[03:38] Mean that's like saying you don't need to go to a restaurant now because everyone has a kitchen. Sure
[03:44] Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean you want to go get this artisan popsicles, you know, mm-hmm
[03:49] I mean you still chase after the ice cream truck, even though you can keep ice cream in your freezer, you know
[03:56] Yep
[03:57] Even though you know that old metaphor
[04:03] Can we a different upbringing
[04:09] So, okay
[04:11] When would when would below mean leave?
[04:15] Like I suppose you so the phrase has to come after we understand popsicles
[04:20] So it probably
[04:24] How do you really understand a popsicle though
[04:34] Yeah broke his brain I
[04:38] Don't have the essence of the popsicle
[04:41] Exactly. Yeah, let's blow this juke joint
[04:46] What I feel like yeah, that's a 50s thing like I feel like it's a biker
[04:50] Okay, he's hmm. Sure. I always I always kind of took it is like a little bit
[04:59] dismissive of
[05:01] Like not a literal popsicle stand but just kind of like this place is crappy. It's yeah. Yeah, sure
[05:07] That's I think that's where how it comes and that's why I was like I
[05:11] Was thinking of it as the hey, let's get out of here and do something interesting because this is lame sort of thing
[05:17] Basically, it's trying to get somebody in the backseat of a car
[05:21] This is way more interesting than the popsicle stand. Well, you can say like this place is for kids
[05:26] Let's go to place. So it don't think somewhere else in the backseat of a car apparently
[05:32] maybe maybe blowing equals leaving comes from
[05:37] Like blowing goes
[05:47] You got a blown to the thing to leave so you can drive that it's true. Yeah
[05:52] I like your creativity, but
[05:56] Definite no, but it would be hilarious
[05:58] Yeah, it's possible in Indiana anything sure
[06:05] Yeah, I mean I think 50s 50s, you know malts drinking or whatever teens drinking malts
[06:13] Kind of stuff. Yeah, I like it
[06:16] Okay, so the first hit here is Quora
[06:23] That's not good also blow this popcorn stand that doesn't like a thing
[06:29] Popsicle is a trade registered trademark
[06:32] As an inexpensive frozen confection on a stick invented in 1924 in San Francisco
[06:41] Trademarked apparently in the 1950s a popular teen hangout was around the local drugstore
[06:47] Mm-hmm, which used to have a soda shop inside or a soda fountain
[06:52] AKA a pop stand. That's what I'm talking about
[06:55] Yeah, let's blow this pop stand is the origination of the phrase as far as this is concerned
[07:00] I don't believe this in any way shape or form, but this is wildly interesting
[07:09] Urban dictionary has it
[07:15] This term was first coined in the 1940s by a Jamaican name Antoine Cleo
[07:20] Cleo believed that filling
[07:22] The area of a popsicle with deadly radiation can be used against certain countries as biological warfare
[07:30] He believed that the radiation had certain brainwashing chemicals inside of it and that placing the popsicles at stands at random areas
[07:37] Could allow more people to buy the pops
[07:40] Popsicles thus was his plan for world domination
[07:43] However, those plans were soon foiled when a strange cult cult called the kindred spirits
[07:50] Blew blew up all the popsicle stands in America including
[07:56] Killing the perpetrator Antoine Cleo
[07:59] Let's blow this popsicle stand was then started as an inside joke between four teenagers then it spread through the United States
[08:08] La-blah-blah, I don't believe that at all, but I know that's pretty awesome
[08:13] So away with words apparently did this phrase, but I have to listen to it. They can't they won't just tell me
[08:22] So I'll link to that. Apparently. I'm sure it knows way more than we do. I
[08:27] Nailed that one
[08:30] You got it, right? Is that as close as we can get?
[08:34] Yep, I went
[08:36] We got next
[08:38] What's the history of the cornucopia?
[08:41] It's Thanksgiving. Why is the cornucopia a
[08:45] Symbol of Thanksgiving. Why is the cornucopia?
[08:48] That's the question. Why is the cornucopia?
[08:52] Is it was it always a woven basket that had a point on it? Was it always filled with food?
[09:03] I think yes, and yes
[09:05] The cornucopia is like a Greek word. No
[09:11] Mmm, I would guess so. Yeah, okay
[09:15] Meaning so probably not by this of something abundance of but the the actual
[09:24] Is the actual physical on just got
[09:29] The actual physical thing is like a sort of basket with a lot of things in it, right?
[09:38] Yeah, a lot of Thanksgiving type foods. The imagery is yeah, it's like sort of a
[09:43] cone shaped
[09:45] Basket sort of on its side and it overflowing with it falling out of it. Yes squash and
[09:54] vegetables and
[09:56] Sometimes you see a turkey in there like it's yeah Wow, so it's a question. Why is there a basket?
[10:07] No, I mean I just I just want to know how this all got associated
[10:09] I mean is it because of the bounty and did we?
[10:12] basically, if you fill a
[10:16] Basket full of stuff. It's mean baskets are what we filled back then, right?
[10:23] Why why a cone shaped basket? Yeah, that does seem like a very inefficient way to store things
[10:31] Just because there's a bunch of space at the bottom. I mean, I suppose all the small things could settle down there
[10:37] Well, I suspect yeah, but how would you store that thing? Yeah, like yeah, hang it on the wall
[10:44] something about
[10:46] You know
[10:48] Hmm about fashion almost always has to do with like being wasteful on purpose
[10:53] So like a basket with no utility is there for
[10:59] I was like, it's an easier way to weave things somehow
[11:03] I mean, I don't know if like on some level like you're basically just making a spiral
[11:08] And later that'd be easier than creating a flat base. My wicker game is not that strong
[11:15] Really shocking it's not what I've done. Yeah, you can make a flat base pretty easily. Yeah, okay
[11:24] All right, I think
[11:27] Is it it's more ornamental. It's not like more secure like as a bottom could fall out of something, right? If it's a cone
[11:34] It's a stronger if you suck it wicker. I mean, it doesn't matter what shape you make
[11:41] It's gonna be a problem
[11:43] That's right
[11:45] Do you think that the the cornucopia as we know it was like present at the first Thanksgiving and that was like a
[11:53] Tradition brought over by this is part of my question. Is it a is it a Native American?
[11:59] Basket design that got caught up with the Greek word cornucopia like as you know, this is what I'm saying
[12:04] I
[12:13] Disagree with everything that's happening right now
[12:18] I've never actually seen one. I don't think I've seen pictures of them. Yeah, I've only seen artists renderings. Yeah, exactly
[12:25] You've never gone to like, I don't know
[12:28] Some event that was Thanksgiving theme that had a big old
[12:32] wicker cornucopia with
[12:35] Pumpkins hanging out. Nope. Nope. All right, but
[12:39] Definitely something that somebody bought at like Joanne fabrics
[12:44] It wasn't like an actual you tile thing
[12:47] Yeah, but again, I mean we make the point that it's not that utilitarian anyway
[12:52] So like at least nowadays it'd be a waste of time to have a cornucopia outside of decorative
[12:56] I just wonder if it was it used to have some better purpose
[12:59] Yeah, I mean, I don't think the Native Americans were big on a bunch of not
[13:03] Utilitarian stuff that wasn't that's right. Yeah, that's not how they rolled. Yeah
[13:09] Yeah
[13:10] I'm with you on that like they don't think they just had these
[13:14] They don't I don't feel like they had like arts and crafts like for fun that weren't like useful, you know
[13:20] Like if you need something you like a weapon made
[13:25] You know, yeah, good guard on that stuff. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be great
[13:29] We can do that on arts and crafts day, but we're not just making something we can't use
[13:34] Ram
[13:35] Which we know is bad. We know is bad at what the only thing it's supposed to be doing. All right, okay, so
[13:44] Derived from the Latin cornu meaning horn and copia meaning plenty. There you go. That makes that's perfect sense
[13:52] Historically, it was a real goats horn filled with fruit and grains
[13:58] Was depicted at the center of lavish food tables
[14:03] Wait
[14:05] It's filled with grain and what fruit fruit and grain, okay
[14:10] I'm into it. And so that would just show your bounty
[14:14] My guess, uh, yeah
[14:18] Let's see, how did the association
[14:21] association between a horn and plenty come to be Greek legend says that
[14:26] Amal Thea a
[14:28] goat and
[14:29] Zeus's foster mother
[14:32] That's one person. Amal Thea is a goat and Zeus's foster mother
[14:37] accidentally broke off
[14:39] One of her horns Zeus felt terrible for her. So he promised that the horn would always bring her what she wants
[14:48] That's according to the daily meal
[14:51] Hmm, but that doesn't give us anything into Thanksgiving though, right? No, it does not
[14:58] But it does give us why it's a horn shaped thing. Yeah, you just killed your goats cuz it's fall
[15:05] Yeah, time to eat the goats at fall, right? I
[15:10] Don't know. We don't do we have anything with the
[15:14] Woven woven cornucopia as are seen in the flag and state seal of Idaho
[15:20] Wow, I was gonna bring that up, but I didn't want to cover you guys with a bunch of items
[15:27] It's a pretty intense see yeah. Oh, yeah, we don't mess around with our seals here in Idaho
[15:34] Esto
[15:35] purpitua
[15:37] You didn't get that tattoo pretty soon Harper. I
[15:44] Want to see the the cornucopia sleeves both two of them?
[15:49] It would be amazing. It would be take it all the way down to the middle of my middle finger. Yeah
[15:59] You could make a bunch of like you could say if so many cool catchphrases
[16:12] Prepare for this bounty
[16:16] Okay, okay. Well done. Well done nicely done team
[16:20] Definitely. Yeah, shout out to Zeus by the way. Good work
[16:24] Super nice dude. I think that's also the first time I think I've ever heard him feel bad about anything
[16:30] Mm-hmm. That guy was a jerk kind of a psychopath, right?
[16:36] Yeah, but you know when you're fostered by a goat mother
[16:43] All right, we learned a lot
[16:46] Good work gentlemen Colcie satisfied. Yep
[16:53] Cornucopia
[16:56] Was first documented in the English dictionary in 1508
[17:02] Okay, that's all I guess way. That's uh, when was the first Thanksgiving? When was the first dictionary?
[17:12] It's like right after
[17:17] I don't know. Well, that'll be for next week. We'll go with the first dictionary and the first
[17:23] When was the first Thanksgiving? That's what I'm saying. Like when were the Puritans the most pure?
[17:35] All right, you'll have to wait at the edge of your seat until next week get these and many more answers
[17:48] I'm gonna spend my week not googling so hard
[17:52] I'm gonna not Google so hard. Mmm. They bought my world of Google and then they killed it
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[19:01] Happy Thanksgiving pacer nation is a cornucopia of goodness. Yeah. Yeah