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Episode 53 · August 8, 2020

Bombs For Good

The hosts revisit the phrase "down to the wire", first guessing it comes from cutting bomb wires and then landing on horse racing.

“Did you just grow up surrounded by explosions all the time?” (03:16)

Questions

Where does the phrase "down to the wire" come from? (00:34)

Our guess
Horse racing, with a wire marking the finish line to help judges (an earlier guess was MacGyver-style bomb wires).
Reveal the answer
The answer
From late 1800s horse racing, when a wire was strung across the track above the finish line to help judges determine which horse crossed first. A wire was also used at the start line, and "wire to wire" means leading from start to finish.
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Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] All right, I think it's time for another under Google. Coalson, what do you got for us this week?
[00:11] We do under Google rules. That was the plan. Super excited.
[00:16] I told us we had to.
[00:19] We signed up for it.
[00:23] In the end, it's going to be better and more true than Google can give you.
[00:27] So I was going through some of the old podcasts and Harper asked a question in that in that
[00:34] podcast and I wanted to answer it for him. He's probably not asked it since then.
[00:39] He probably doesn't care anymore. But in the podcast, you asked where down to the wire came from.
[00:47] I immediately suggested that it was a bomb cutting, like a cutting wires and bomb in MacGyver
[00:55] is where it came from. And we all agreed that that was okay, that that was probably where
[01:01] it came from. But I think that's probably not where it came from. And I figured I'd ask you guys
[01:07] down to the wire.
[01:09] So do you think like specifically like from the TV show MacGyver?
[01:15] MacGyver style cutting wires is what I was thinking. I don't think the phrase
[01:20] was originated from MacGyver itself, but I think by the way, that show does not hold up.
[01:27] It is. It is so bad.
[01:31] Can I see it on Hulu or something?
[01:33] I don't know. We we bought the some DVDs of it.
[01:39] Oh, so you spent good hard money on this.
[01:41] It was for a thing at work and it was it was unwatchable.
[01:47] It's no 18. I'll tell you that.
[01:49] That's yeah, that holds up for sure.
[01:55] So down to the wire.
[01:57] Down to the wire. Do we know where this comes from?
[01:59] And we don't think it's from the TV show The Wire, right?
[02:03] I mean, it might be. I don't know. I feel like it's been around before that.
[02:06] But I guess I guess MacGyver predated that. So probably not.
[02:11] Yeah, cutting down, cutting, you know, cutting the little plastic sleeve off
[02:19] without actually cutting the wire in my mind was down to the wire.
[02:26] So it's just an electrician thing.
[02:27] Exactly. They actually have tools for that.
[02:31] You got a little scraper.
[02:33] Wire stripper.
[02:34] Yeah, wire stripper. Yeah, that's that's where you get that phrase.
[02:43] I'm going to go out. I don't know the limb.
[02:45] Okay, okay.
[02:47] It's just that's from racing.
[02:50] Okay, like car racing.
[02:53] Well, I don't think it's probably it's definitely not car racing,
[02:56] but I probably don't think it's even human racing.
[02:58] I think it's probably dog or horse racing.
[03:01] Not baby racing.
[03:03] Unfortunately, not.
[03:05] But it can be now.
[03:07] It is now.
[03:09] We can start using wires in baby races. That sounds like a massacre.
[03:16] Not like an actual wire.
[03:18] Just because you think that every wire is attached to a bomb.
[03:25] There are other kinds of wires.
[03:27] What kind of wires are there, Joey?
[03:32] Most ones are non-bomb wires.
[03:35] I got copper wires. I think those are connected to bombs.
[03:40] That's the only kind of wire I know.
[03:42] Did you just grow up in a lot like just surrounded by explosions all the time?
[03:47] Just an action movie.
[03:49] I did watch a lot of 80s action films and did grow up in a bomb manufacturing facility.
[03:57] No.
[04:00] Raised by terrorists.
[04:04] No, these were bombs for good.
[04:07] Oh, those kind of bombs.
[04:13] Okay, so we're racing horses.
[04:16] But why down to the wire?
[04:18] What are we doing?
[04:19] Is there like a wire across the
[04:24] horses like run into the wire and it gets cut?
[04:28] So humans do that, right?
[04:31] Humans definitely do that.
[04:34] Maybe it's just like the ribbon wire thing that people run through at the end of a race.
[04:39] But I feel like that would cut you if it was a wire.
[04:42] But it's not actually a wire. That's like a ribbon that people run through.
[04:46] But you think for horses we're just like wire, it's fine?
[04:49] No. I don't think we think it's an actual wire at all.
[04:52] Why don't they call it down to the ribbon then?
[04:54] It just doesn't have the same ring.
[04:57] I don't know.
[05:01] All right. Okay.
[05:03] So there's a wire that, but okay.
[05:06] But down to the wire suggests that it's very close.
[05:09] It's a close call, right?
[05:12] If two horses hit a wire at the same time, how did I learn anything from that?
[05:18] How do I know who wins?
[05:21] Because of the cuts on one of the horses.
[05:24] From the wire tearing into their body.
[05:27] I don't think it's some like,
[05:30] that's actually not a bad idea.
[05:33] Bobsters used to strangle each other with.
[05:35] I think it's something fairly, you know, easy to cut.
[05:41] No, I love this idea.
[05:42] That's how you figure out who won.
[05:43] That's just whoever's bleeding.
[05:45] Whoever dies the first one.
[05:47] Whoever loses their head, right?
[05:49] Just slops off their head.
[05:51] Oh, they won.
[05:52] Clearly going the fastest.
[05:55] Right.
[05:56] Yeah.
[05:58] Yeah, I don't know.
[06:01] Yeah, I don't know.
[06:02] I was more thinking like Greyhound racing or something
[06:04] because I've watched a lot of horse racing.
[06:06] I've never seen a wire or like anything approaching it,
[06:09] but we've also always had cameras.
[06:12] Right.
[06:13] So this is that you make a really good point.
[06:14] You watch modern horse racing.
[06:17] Does a wire in horse racing make sense
[06:19] if it's previous to cameras?
[06:25] It would help you discern the winner probably.
[06:27] Okay.
[06:28] So if you had, let's say if you had a wire
[06:30] instead of like low enough to like trip them
[06:32] or cut them or cut their heads off.
[06:35] If you had a wire above their heads
[06:38] and if you were looking from the up from the top,
[06:41] maybe you could see if that would help you
[06:44] determine who won maybe.
[06:47] Sure.
[06:48] Like a photo finishy.
[06:50] It probably came with cameras.
[06:51] Right.
[06:52] And so you've laid down some sort of optical marker
[06:58] to help you.
[06:59] Yeah.
[07:00] Down to the wire is essentially a photo finish.
[07:02] Right.
[07:02] But it's before photos.
[07:03] That makes sense.
[07:04] I like that.
[07:04] Well, I don't know that it's before photos.
[07:06] I mean, I think that they may have put this in
[07:08] when they came up with cameras
[07:10] because otherwise it's just a visual game.
[07:11] Right.
[07:12] There's no point in that.
[07:15] But I'm thinking it doesn't help you visually.
[07:19] Well, I'm I'm looking this up.
[07:21] Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
[07:22] Before you look it up.
[07:24] Okay.
[07:26] Is wire to wire connected to down to the wire?
[07:33] Yes.
[07:34] A wire to wire victory.
[07:36] Yes.
[07:38] Definitely the same.
[07:39] So so why are there wires at the beginning of the race?
[07:44] I think the wire may be somewhat metaphorical.
[07:47] Okay.
[07:48] Metaphorical wire.
[07:49] So it's like the starting line.
[07:51] Yeah.
[07:52] And the finish.
[07:52] And the finish line.
[07:53] Okay.
[07:54] So the wire.
[07:54] So we're not cutting horses to see who wins with a wire at their head level.
[08:02] Right.
[08:02] We're going bomb to bomb.
[08:04] Yeah.
[08:05] It's it's the it's the chalk line in the ground to the chalk line in the ground.
[08:09] And that's there.
[08:10] We're calling those wires.
[08:15] I like it.
[08:16] And it's been around since the late 1800s.
[08:21] Yeah, that's when horse.
[08:22] Well, horse racing has been around longer than that.
[08:25] I assume so, but I do think that this might have something to do with.
[08:29] Connect with photography.
[08:31] Okay.
[08:31] All right.
[08:31] I'm with you.
[08:32] Late 1800s horse racing and bomb making.
[08:38] Boom, boom.
[08:39] And huh?
[08:40] What do you got, Jeff?
[08:43] Yeah, I'm getting it late 1800s horse racing.
[08:47] And there was a essentially they're calling it a wire, but essentially it's something.
[08:52] I don't think it's anything that hurt the horses.
[08:55] There was no decapitated horses, nothing like that.
[08:57] But it was as far as you know, as far as the corrupt media tells you.
[09:03] Yes, that and yeah, it was just just a visual tool to help the judges see.
[09:11] Like if you could, I think the idea is like if you could see which one hit it first
[09:17] to help you.
[09:18] It's a string.
[09:19] It's a string across the middle of the thing.
[09:22] Okay.
[09:23] Yeah.
[09:24] Um, and that's, yeah, we pretty much nailed it.
[09:27] Was it with photography though?
[09:28] Did that, was that part of it?
[09:29] I'm not seeing that, um, linked to photography, but, um,
[09:35] the timings, the timing.
[09:37] What about wire to wire?
[09:38] Do we know anything about that?
[09:40] And it's the side side side question.
[09:43] I think it's the same.
[09:44] I think it's what we talked about.
[09:45] It's what I'm saying.
[09:48] It's from horse rating that the horse racing denotes a horse that leads from
[09:53] start to finish.
[09:55] Doesn't mention the wires that they tripped over or cut themselves off.
[10:01] And well, I think we can lock this in because even urban,
[10:05] even urban dictionary says the same thing that we are.
[10:08] I know you saw that.
[10:11] There wasn't anything about blow jobs and cars or anything.
[10:14] Nothing.
[10:20] Well, nice work.
[10:21] You know, they don't always have to be hard.
[10:25] That's the hardest one ever.
[10:26] We just nailed it.
[10:28] Okay.
[10:29] We're just super smart.
[10:29] We're just super smart.
[10:31] That's what that is.
[10:36] A small wire was strung across the track above the finish line to help judge,
[10:43] determine which horse crossed the finish line first.
[10:48] Um, and similarly, there was a wire at the start line.
[10:55] To make sure that there were no false start to make sure that nobody.
[10:57] Yeah.
[10:58] Make sure they all left at the gun.
[11:00] Okay.
[11:01] I found a new term that I love.
[11:03] It's called porky pigging.
[11:06] And it's when you only wear your shirt around your house.
[11:16] Why did you find that?
[11:18] That's on urban dictionary.
[11:19] That's why I was going to go to urban dictionary.
[11:21] I've been banned from that site.
[11:23] You have been banned.
[11:26] I think it's time for a break.
[11:28] Get porky pigged up here.
[11:29] And, uh, uh, luckily this is just an audio podcast.
[11:33] So, but you guys are going to get the full effect.