Episode 48 · July 4, 2020
Fried Sugar Cream Pie
The hosts try to figure out where "soda jerk" and "jerk" the insult come from.
“They had fried sugar cream pie.” (04:07)
Questions
Where do "soda jerk" and "jerk" (the insult) come from? (00:31)
Our guess
Over-caffeinated teens being jerks, or a soda attendant jerking the lever.
Over-caffeinated teens being jerks, or a soda attendant jerking the lever.
Reveal the answer
The answer
"Soda jerk" is from the motion of pulling the fountain's draft arm (about 1915, popular in the 20s-30s). "Jerk" for a sharp twist is recorded in the 1570s, from a stroke of a whip, and the insult may come from the railroad term "jerk-water town".
"Soda jerk" is from the motion of pulling the fountain's draft arm (about 1915, popular in the 20s-30s). "Jerk" for a sharp twist is recorded in the 1570s, from a stroke of a whip, and the insult may come from the railroad term "jerk-water town".
Verdict partly
Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] We've got another under-google. [00:02] Oh, can we do an under-googles? [00:10] That was the play of it. [00:12] I'm super excited. [00:13] You told us we had to, sir. [00:15] You said we signed up for it. [00:18] In the end, it's going to be better and more true than Google can give you. [00:24] Does anybody have any questions that they weren't able to Google? [00:29] Do they need help with? [00:31] So I got one. [00:33] And I don't know if we've done this before. [00:36] I may know the answer to this, and I've forgotten it. [00:39] And maybe we did it here, or maybe I just did it in different format. [00:43] So today, we went for a nice kayak on the Potomac River, [00:47] and then went into Georgetown. [00:49] Got a burger at a place, and they also had soda-jerk flutes. [00:55] And so Jill and I were talking about it, and she's like, [00:59] oh, where'd jerk come from? [01:02] The soda-jerk. [01:03] And I was like, oh, yeah, I know that it was the guy that would give you the soda [01:09] was the soda-jerk. [01:10] But is that related to the word like jerk as we use it now, [01:16] like in today's parlance, where it's somebody that is not a nice person? [01:25] What is the origin of jerk in that context? [01:28] I mean, you've got to think that the people who were soda-jerks [01:31] were probably a bunch of over-caffeinated teenagers. [01:33] So I'm going to say yes. [01:35] Oh, OK. [01:36] OK, they were actually jerks. [01:38] Interesting. [01:39] Probably actually jerks. [01:41] I mean, because there's lots of possible derivations, right? [01:44] So like jerk is also like a type of spice, a Caribbean spice. [01:49] Sure. [01:50] Jerk itself means to like move sharply to the side or something like that. [01:55] And so you could see it being derived from somebody changing directions on you, [02:03] if you will, in a social context. [02:06] But over-caffeinated, over-sugared dudes in the 1950s. [02:13] Yeah, that's probably it. [02:15] Oh, I like the idea that they're jerking about or something, [02:21] that there are these guys bringing you a soda in the midst of a crowd. [02:27] Oh, OK. [02:28] It doesn't quite work. [02:29] But I was thinking, hey, look at that soda. [02:32] Sure. [02:33] Yeah, it doesn't work. [02:34] Yeah. [02:35] Never mind. [02:36] We'll workshop that. [02:39] What if they jerk the soda out of the cooler for you? [02:43] Well, I think they were actually mixing them back then, right? [02:46] So you're jerking the lever. [02:48] They're jerking the lever. [02:49] Like a beer tap. [02:50] OK. [02:51] That's about the only thing I got. [02:52] That's good. [02:53] Yeah, what you're saying, Harper. [02:54] I like that. [02:55] Well, but I know that. [02:56] But I guess my question is, where does the jerk as a jerky person? [03:03] Yeah. [03:04] Yeah. [03:05] Where does that derive from? [03:06] And does it derive from the same place? [03:08] Definitely Shakespeare. [03:10] Shakespeare. [03:11] OK. [03:13] Let's see. [03:14] Derivation of jerk. [03:17] I'm going to go with Old English. [03:20] OK. [03:21] So Shakespeare. [03:22] So Shakespeare. [03:23] Yeah. [03:24] It's not some old French word. [03:27] Jerky. [03:28] From the Latin. [03:30] Jerkiest. [03:31] Yeah. [03:32] So this is. [03:34] Jerkiest. [03:35] Pliny the Elder then. [03:38] I mean, I know a lot of jerks, so you'd think I would know more. [03:47] Have you ever been to one of them old-timey diners, Joey? [03:52] Where they wear the paper hats and mix up the soda right there for you? [03:57] No, not where they mix them up. [03:59] I did go to the State Fair. [04:02] We went to the old drug store. [04:07] Did you get up there and get a root beer float? [04:10] No, because we had just eaten fried dough. [04:13] Can you get a deep fried float? [04:15] Is that a thing yet? [04:16] Fried dough. [04:18] Oh, they should fry a float. [04:20] I don't know. [04:21] They've got fried. [04:22] They had. [04:24] What did they have? [04:27] They had fried sugar cream pie. [04:31] See, it feels like. [04:34] Yeah. [04:35] I feel like that's just all melty and gooey on the inside. [04:38] Yep, that's what it was. [04:40] Did you have one? [04:42] I didn't have any of that, no. [04:46] You know, we always do Dr. Vegetable. [04:49] It's the one every year. [04:51] You get a bucket. [04:53] You look offended. [04:55] Dr. Vegetable. [04:58] At the fair? [05:00] Yeah. [05:01] You get a big bucket of fried vegetables. [05:04] At least they're fried. [05:06] That's, yeah. [05:09] All right, so anybody got anything on soda jerks? [05:12] So, there is this thing. [05:16] A jerk water town was a phrase coined by railroad workers having to take on boiler water from a creek or river because the town had no tank water. [05:25] This led jerk water to mean inferior or significant, which was then shortened to jerk. [05:32] Okay. [05:34] As far as time frame on that, we'd be looking at 1800s. [05:40] Slightly alternate. [05:42] The water town with hanging chains, or water towers with hanging chains that the boiler man would jerk to start the water flowing. [05:49] And towns sprang up around these water stops. [05:52] I found an amazing website called Shortlist, or on Shortlist, called Sweartymology. [06:00] Yeah, that's what I was looking at. [06:03] That's awesome. [06:05] Jibroni. [06:08] So, sodajerksusa.com suggests that it was, I'm not kidding. [06:15] I'm not kidding. [06:19] Suggests that the soda jerk came from the action of the fountain attendant made when pulling the soda draft arm. [06:26] Great surprise. [06:28] But the origin and date of the phrase are unknown, but was popular in the 20s and 30s. [06:34] The term jerk, as in, you know, a herky jerky or a sudden sharp twist. [06:41] First recorded in the 1570s, and of course, like everything from the 1500s is the worst thing you could think of. [06:48] Came from a stroke of a whip. [06:52] Hmm. [06:54] Yay. [06:56] Soda jerk is 1915? [07:00] 1915? Wow. That's crazy. [07:05] I had no idea that sodas were around that long. [07:08] Don't look up soda jerk on Urban Dictionary. [07:12] Ooh, what's up? I'm actually... [07:14] No, you don't want to know. [07:16] Look it up, kids, if you want to, but I don't recommend it. [07:26] Ask your parents first. [07:28] Get your permission from your parents. [07:31] So, I'll do a quick transition, a third set of the week. [07:36] Oh, no. [07:38] So, I was perusing NBA Reddit at lunch one day this week, just randomly, [07:47] and there was a statistic on there that I thought was quite interesting related to Art Pacer. [07:53] So, I don't know how common this is, but Nate McMillan played in the NBA for 12 seasons, something like that. [08:01] 10 to 12 seasons, lots of games. [08:04] And over those 12 seasons, he amassed more assists than he did points. [08:11] So, he scored 4,733 points and had 4,893 assists. [08:23] I mean, not crazily surprising, since he was a point guard, but usually people just score more points. [08:29] Yeah, yeah. [08:31] It's pretty wild. [08:32] It eventually made me like Nate McMillan more. [08:35] Because he's a bad shooter. [08:37] Yeah. [08:40] I don't think that's the lesson you were supposed to take, Joey. [08:45] I guess he'd also, I guess he'd be past first guard. [08:48] There you go. You guess. [08:52] I don't know that I've said this before, but I guess shout out to Nate McMillan. [08:58] He's going to be your coach for a while, buddy. [09:03] Yeah, have we mentioned that he signed an extension? [09:05] Yeah, he signed like three-year extension, right? [09:07] No, we're still in the denial phase. [09:11] Okay, fair enough. [09:13] We'll cover it once you get to anger. [09:16] Okay. [09:17] It's better radio. [09:19] It's better radio. [09:21] Coalson's, your reactions usually just start there. [09:26] Right, yeah, yeah. I don't go through denial. I just start with rage. [09:29] No, you do. It's just a different order. You start at anger. [09:33] Somehow work its way back to denial. [09:35] Yeah, you end at denial. [09:37] And you don't have acceptance. It's just not one of them. [09:40] Yeah, that's how I accept things by denying them. [09:44] There's a couple extra steps in there, mostly just anger steps.