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Episode 48 · July 4, 2020

Fried Sugar Cream Pie

The hosts try to figure out where "soda jerk" and "jerk" the insult come from.

“They had fried sugar cream pie.” (04:07)

Questions

Where do "soda jerk" and "jerk" (the insult) come from? (00:31)

Our guess
Over-caffeinated teens being jerks, or a soda attendant jerking the lever.
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The answer
"Soda jerk" is from the motion of pulling the fountain's draft arm (about 1915, popular in the 20s-30s). "Jerk" for a sharp twist is recorded in the 1570s, from a stroke of a whip, and the insult may come from the railroad term "jerk-water town".
Verdict partly

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Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] We've got another under-google.
[00:02] Oh, can we do an under-googles?
[00:10] That was the play of it.
[00:12] I'm super excited.
[00:13] You told us we had to, sir.
[00:15] You said we signed up for it.
[00:18] In the end, it's going to be better and more true than Google can give you.
[00:24] Does anybody have any questions that they weren't able to Google?
[00:29] Do they need help with?
[00:31] So I got one.
[00:33] And I don't know if we've done this before.
[00:36] I may know the answer to this, and I've forgotten it.
[00:39] And maybe we did it here, or maybe I just did it in different format.
[00:43] So today, we went for a nice kayak on the Potomac River,
[00:47] and then went into Georgetown.
[00:49] Got a burger at a place, and they also had soda-jerk flutes.
[00:55] And so Jill and I were talking about it, and she's like,
[00:59] oh, where'd jerk come from?
[01:02] The soda-jerk.
[01:03] And I was like, oh, yeah, I know that it was the guy that would give you the soda
[01:09] was the soda-jerk.
[01:10] But is that related to the word like jerk as we use it now,
[01:16] like in today's parlance, where it's somebody that is not a nice person?
[01:25] What is the origin of jerk in that context?
[01:28] I mean, you've got to think that the people who were soda-jerks
[01:31] were probably a bunch of over-caffeinated teenagers.
[01:33] So I'm going to say yes.
[01:35] Oh, OK.
[01:36] OK, they were actually jerks.
[01:38] Interesting.
[01:39] Probably actually jerks.
[01:41] I mean, because there's lots of possible derivations, right?
[01:44] So like jerk is also like a type of spice, a Caribbean spice.
[01:49] Sure.
[01:50] Jerk itself means to like move sharply to the side or something like that.
[01:55] And so you could see it being derived from somebody changing directions on you,
[02:03] if you will, in a social context.
[02:06] But over-caffeinated, over-sugared dudes in the 1950s.
[02:13] Yeah, that's probably it.
[02:15] Oh, I like the idea that they're jerking about or something,
[02:21] that there are these guys bringing you a soda in the midst of a crowd.
[02:27] Oh, OK.
[02:28] It doesn't quite work.
[02:29] But I was thinking, hey, look at that soda.
[02:32] Sure.
[02:33] Yeah, it doesn't work.
[02:34] Yeah.
[02:35] Never mind.
[02:36] We'll workshop that.
[02:39] What if they jerk the soda out of the cooler for you?
[02:43] Well, I think they were actually mixing them back then, right?
[02:46] So you're jerking the lever.
[02:48] They're jerking the lever.
[02:49] Like a beer tap.
[02:50] OK.
[02:51] That's about the only thing I got.
[02:52] That's good.
[02:53] Yeah, what you're saying, Harper.
[02:54] I like that.
[02:55] Well, but I know that.
[02:56] But I guess my question is, where does the jerk as a jerky person?
[03:03] Yeah.
[03:04] Yeah.
[03:05] Where does that derive from?
[03:06] And does it derive from the same place?
[03:08] Definitely Shakespeare.
[03:10] Shakespeare.
[03:11] OK.
[03:13] Let's see.
[03:14] Derivation of jerk.
[03:17] I'm going to go with Old English.
[03:20] OK.
[03:21] So Shakespeare.
[03:22] So Shakespeare.
[03:23] Yeah.
[03:24] It's not some old French word.
[03:27] Jerky.
[03:28] From the Latin.
[03:30] Jerkiest.
[03:31] Yeah.
[03:32] So this is.
[03:34] Jerkiest.
[03:35] Pliny the Elder then.
[03:38] I mean, I know a lot of jerks, so you'd think I would know more.
[03:47] Have you ever been to one of them old-timey diners, Joey?
[03:52] Where they wear the paper hats and mix up the soda right there for you?
[03:57] No, not where they mix them up.
[03:59] I did go to the State Fair.
[04:02] We went to the old drug store.
[04:07] Did you get up there and get a root beer float?
[04:10] No, because we had just eaten fried dough.
[04:13] Can you get a deep fried float?
[04:15] Is that a thing yet?
[04:16] Fried dough.
[04:18] Oh, they should fry a float.
[04:20] I don't know.
[04:21] They've got fried.
[04:22] They had.
[04:24] What did they have?
[04:27] They had fried sugar cream pie.
[04:31] See, it feels like.
[04:34] Yeah.
[04:35] I feel like that's just all melty and gooey on the inside.
[04:38] Yep, that's what it was.
[04:40] Did you have one?
[04:42] I didn't have any of that, no.
[04:46] You know, we always do Dr. Vegetable.
[04:49] It's the one every year.
[04:51] You get a bucket.
[04:53] You look offended.
[04:55] Dr. Vegetable.
[04:58] At the fair?
[05:00] Yeah.
[05:01] You get a big bucket of fried vegetables.
[05:04] At least they're fried.
[05:06] That's, yeah.
[05:09] All right, so anybody got anything on soda jerks?
[05:12] So, there is this thing.
[05:16] A jerk water town was a phrase coined by railroad workers having to take on boiler water from a creek or river because the town had no tank water.
[05:25] This led jerk water to mean inferior or significant, which was then shortened to jerk.
[05:32] Okay.
[05:34] As far as time frame on that, we'd be looking at 1800s.
[05:40] Slightly alternate.
[05:42] The water town with hanging chains, or water towers with hanging chains that the boiler man would jerk to start the water flowing.
[05:49] And towns sprang up around these water stops.
[05:52] I found an amazing website called Shortlist, or on Shortlist, called Sweartymology.
[06:00] Yeah, that's what I was looking at.
[06:03] That's awesome.
[06:05] Jibroni.
[06:08] So, sodajerksusa.com suggests that it was, I'm not kidding.
[06:15] I'm not kidding.
[06:19] Suggests that the soda jerk came from the action of the fountain attendant made when pulling the soda draft arm.
[06:26] Great surprise.
[06:28] But the origin and date of the phrase are unknown, but was popular in the 20s and 30s.
[06:34] The term jerk, as in, you know, a herky jerky or a sudden sharp twist.
[06:41] First recorded in the 1570s, and of course, like everything from the 1500s is the worst thing you could think of.
[06:48] Came from a stroke of a whip.
[06:52] Hmm.
[06:54] Yay.
[06:56] Soda jerk is 1915?
[07:00] 1915? Wow. That's crazy.
[07:05] I had no idea that sodas were around that long.
[07:08] Don't look up soda jerk on Urban Dictionary.
[07:12] Ooh, what's up? I'm actually...
[07:14] No, you don't want to know.
[07:16] Look it up, kids, if you want to, but I don't recommend it.
[07:26] Ask your parents first.
[07:28] Get your permission from your parents.
[07:31] So, I'll do a quick transition, a third set of the week.
[07:36] Oh, no.
[07:38] So, I was perusing NBA Reddit at lunch one day this week, just randomly,
[07:47] and there was a statistic on there that I thought was quite interesting related to Art Pacer.
[07:53] So, I don't know how common this is, but Nate McMillan played in the NBA for 12 seasons, something like that.
[08:01] 10 to 12 seasons, lots of games.
[08:04] And over those 12 seasons, he amassed more assists than he did points.
[08:11] So, he scored 4,733 points and had 4,893 assists.
[08:23] I mean, not crazily surprising, since he was a point guard, but usually people just score more points.
[08:29] Yeah, yeah.
[08:31] It's pretty wild.
[08:32] It eventually made me like Nate McMillan more.
[08:35] Because he's a bad shooter.
[08:37] Yeah.
[08:40] I don't think that's the lesson you were supposed to take, Joey.
[08:45] I guess he'd also, I guess he'd be past first guard.
[08:48] There you go. You guess.
[08:52] I don't know that I've said this before, but I guess shout out to Nate McMillan.
[08:58] He's going to be your coach for a while, buddy.
[09:03] Yeah, have we mentioned that he signed an extension?
[09:05] Yeah, he signed like three-year extension, right?
[09:07] No, we're still in the denial phase.
[09:11] Okay, fair enough.
[09:13] We'll cover it once you get to anger.
[09:16] Okay.
[09:17] It's better radio.
[09:19] It's better radio.
[09:21] Coalson's, your reactions usually just start there.
[09:26] Right, yeah, yeah. I don't go through denial. I just start with rage.
[09:29] No, you do. It's just a different order. You start at anger.
[09:33] Somehow work its way back to denial.
[09:35] Yeah, you end at denial.
[09:37] And you don't have acceptance. It's just not one of them.
[09:40] Yeah, that's how I accept things by denying them.
[09:44] There's a couple extra steps in there, mostly just anger steps.