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Episode 36 · April 11, 2020

Throw Another Shrimp on the Barbie

A listener asks about the origin of "throw the baby out with the bathwater", and the hosts guess everything from ancient Greece to Oscar Wilde.

“Throw another shrimp on the Barbie.” (07:22)

Questions

Where does the phrase "throw the baby out with the bathwater" come from? (01:08)

Our guess
Medieval Europe, where babies were expensive, or Victorian England, Oscar Wilde, or a folksy Southern saying.
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The answer
The earliest record is in a 1512 German book, Thomas Murner's "Narrenbeschwörung", which includes a woodcut of a woman tossing out a bathtub with the baby in it. It was originally a German saying.
Verdict partly

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Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] Hey guys, real quick, one more bonus stat before we move on.
[00:04] Bonus stats.
[00:05] I was on the NBA subreddit at the top post right now.
[00:10] That's a Kimball one.
[00:12] But the random NBA fact, Tim Duncan, his regular season winning percentage is 72%.
[00:19] And right now, this year, the LA Lakers, their team freed their percentage is 69%.
[00:25] So it's more likely that Tim Duncan would win a basketball game than the Lakers are to make
[00:31] a free throw.
[00:37] It's fantastic.
[00:38] That's really good.
[00:39] I love it.
[00:40] Shout out.
[00:42] All right, so two more topics here.
[00:50] One is the under Googles, Coalson, you have one for our post holiday haze.
[00:56] Yeah, I do.
[00:59] This is a shout out to a fan of the show, Jennifer Drinkwater's lovely husband, Aaron.
[01:08] Shout out.
[01:09] Been listening to the show, I think, because Drinkwater's been painting with it in the
[01:13] background and he's fallen in love with the under Googles.
[01:17] And he wanted us to answer a couple of questions for him.
[01:21] His question was the history of the phrase, throw the baby out with the bathwater.
[01:30] And I feel like on some level, it's kind of straight up.
[01:34] But I don't know when it came about and whether people actually threw out babies with
[01:39] bathwater.
[01:40] What do we got?
[01:45] I think at the time that people actually just threw out babies, like back in Greek times,
[01:50] they didn't bother using bathwater to disguise the event.
[01:55] They just chucked him out the window.
[01:57] That was just straight up Austraica.
[01:59] That was ostracism.
[02:02] So I'm going to go with Oscar Wilde.
[02:09] It's never been Oscar Wilde, but I've always wanted to be Oscar Wilde.
[02:12] Why has it never been Oscar Wilde?
[02:13] I feel like it should always be Oscar Wilde.
[02:16] Maybe Mark Twain.
[02:17] I don't know.
[02:18] Yeah, I mean, yeah, this is like a southern folksy kind of saying.
[02:22] Is that what you think?
[02:24] I think it's, yeah, I think it's southern part of America.
[02:27] Yeah.
[02:28] And it's like a, you know, what was that Wayne's World thing?
[02:33] If a frog had wings, it wouldn't bump its ass when it hopped, or like basically two circles
[02:41] and we would always watch on election night.
[02:47] Dan Rather?
[02:48] Was it Dan Rather?
[02:49] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:50] The folksy-ism sort of thing.
[02:52] If a frog had pockets, he'd carry a handgun or something like that.
[02:57] Sure.
[02:58] Yeah.
[02:59] That was a Dan Rather saying, I'm pretty sure.
[03:04] I'm going Victorian, uh, Victorian England, I think.
[03:08] Oh, okay.
[03:09] See, I like that.
[03:10] I don't feel Englishy because I'm with you.
[03:14] So I'm sticking with Oscar Wilde, but I don't think it was, you know.
[03:17] So, okay.
[03:18] So the meaning of the phrase is don't get rid of a good idea, right?
[03:24] Because it's surrounded in filth, right?
[03:32] Is that a good?
[03:33] I don't know if that's a very succinct definition of that.
[03:36] I always think of this, you know, you've got like something good in with something bad
[03:41] and you want to get rid of the bad thing, but you don't want to get rid of the good thing
[03:44] too.
[03:45] Right.
[03:46] Just because don't scrap the whole endeavor because some parts of it aren't perfect.
[03:49] Exactly.
[03:50] So like, for instance, uh, Obamacare and the mandate, right?
[03:55] You don't want to get rid of all of Obamacare because of the individual mandate, for instance.
[04:00] Right.
[04:01] Well, maybe you don't.
[04:02] Or me, I guess, but you know what?
[04:04] Helping poor people is for communist.
[04:08] It's America.
[04:10] Okay.
[04:13] So, okay.
[04:14] I'm I was thinking like medieval times when I like to say medieval.
[04:24] I feel like we couldn't afford our babies that babies are expensive.
[04:30] Babies are expensive.
[04:31] It was an actual baby tossing.
[04:33] Yeah.
[04:34] I just think it was like, hey, look, I'm like a Scottish sport baby.
[04:38] I'm washing my baby and while I wash my baby, I'm thinking about how much baby this this
[04:42] cost me.
[04:43] Really?
[04:44] I can't really afford it and I just sort of dumped the whole thing out the window.
[04:49] That's it's a financial decision.
[04:52] Really?
[04:53] Uh, they had windows in medieval England in the medieval Europe.
[04:58] That's what I'm going with.
[04:59] Yes.
[05:00] Many windows in middle medieval Europe.
[05:02] Yeah.
[05:03] Dump them out of castle windows.
[05:07] Okay.
[05:08] They're, uh, right on the medieval era, medieval.
[05:14] The earliest record of the phrase, uh, is in 1512 in Narenbeshwarung, uh, it means appeal
[05:27] to fools by Thomas Murner.
[05:30] Yeah.
[05:31] That actually, this does feel very German now that I think about it.
[05:35] Probably we should have hit on that.
[05:36] The Germans say, you must empty out the bathtub, but not the baby along with it.
[05:42] That's very German.
[05:45] That's great.
[05:46] Do they have a single word to describe that?
[05:49] Yeah, no doubt.
[05:51] Offen schläger ninnerssen.
[05:54] It's a daskind mit dim bade auchtuten.
[05:58] Yeah.
[06:01] So you must dump the dirty bathwater, but not the baby in it.
[06:05] But you must keep the baby.
[06:06] Right.
[06:07] You must keep the baby.
[06:09] Keep the baby for me to poop on.
[06:11] I don't know.
[06:13] My German accent is the same as every other accent.
[06:18] It's all.
[06:19] It's all.
[06:20] Was that, uh, who was, uh, triumphant Cleveland coach, David, David black, the Russian coach,
[06:28] you mean?
[06:29] I wanted to say David Blaine, but that's wrong.
[06:31] That's a different joke.
[06:32] Although same accent funny.
[06:36] All of my accents are the same.
[06:38] So, um, I've decided that, um, I, I listened to a podcast where the guys are Australian
[06:46] and I'm going to start, I think just doing an Australian accent because it's very entertaining
[06:49] to listen to.
[06:50] Um, and so I was, I was practicing in the mirror and Kyle was like, why are you doing
[06:55] the triumph?
[06:56] The insult dog accent.
[06:58] Can I, can I hear throw another shrimp on the Barbie in a Russian accent?
[07:08] Throw another, throw another shrimp on the Barbie.
[07:22] You communist bastards.
[07:27] You know, when, when black was gone, I was hoping that you would do a, uh, can you do
[07:31] a tie law or tie, tie, tie, tie, Lou, tie, Lou, Hey, hey, LeBron, hey, hey, LeBron.
[07:42] Here's my plan.
[07:43] I need you to, uh, I coach the team.
[07:46] Thank you.
[07:47] I'll be in the, I'll be in the back to get a nap.
[07:51] That's my time.
[07:52] Meet me on the bus.
[07:56] That was also your David, David black too.
[07:58] Yeah.
[07:59] It's my accent.
[08:02] Well in fairness to Coalson, he couldn't tell the coaching styles apart.
[08:05] So well, cause LeBron was coaching the whole time.
[08:10] Exactly.
[08:11] Now.
[08:12] Uh, so I'm sorry.
[08:13] We interrupt.
[08:14] I don't know what happened.
[08:15] Where, where, where were we?
[08:16] It was Germany.
[08:17] Germany.
[08:18] It's German.
[08:19] It's German.
[08:20] It's German.
[08:21] There's a great, um, so it's in this book, Naren Beshwarung, uh, which means appeal
[08:27] to fools.
[08:28] And there's a great wood cutting of, uh, it's a picture of a woman tossing out a basket,
[08:35] uh, a bathtub with the water and the baby.
[08:39] So do you think she, she, she was just distracted and then the Germans had to make a saying
[08:44] out of it because they're super anal.
[08:46] Uh, I doubt it.
[08:51] No, the Germans never wait for something bad to happen.
[08:54] They anticipate it.
[08:55] I do like, I, I feel like I'll feel differently about the saying now because I'll
[09:01] always hear it in the German.
[09:04] Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
[09:06] I'll always, I can't remember her name, but I'll always hear it in, uh, Austin powers.
[09:12] What was the German ladies?
[09:15] I'll always hear it in her accent.
[09:17] Oh yeah.
[09:18] Oh man.
[09:19] How are we still doing this show?
[09:20] We got, we got one last thing to talk about.
[09:31] Are we still recording this?