Time Traveler Atop a Dinosaur

[00:00] Coalson, I believe we have a submission for an under google. We'll take us through that
[00:12] Oh, we doing under Google rules. That was the play of super excited. I told us we had to
[00:20] Sign up for it in the end. It's gonna be better and more true than Google can give you. Yeah, we sure do
[00:30] so Andrew Preston
[00:33] Longtime fan of the show sent us this under Google
[00:35] Who's Ali and why does she need a new
[00:43] So he wants to know why it's called an alley-oop I want to go a little bit further though
[00:49] I want to kind of get not only sort of the
[00:54] Actually history of the of the term but also maybe the history of of the play itself so maybe we could speculate on that
[01:02] Well, I'm guessing derives from hoop
[01:07] Maybe somehow that's why that I'm guessing alley derives from alley like street ball
[01:14] Okay, oh, okay, but do you play in an alley? Yeah, I guess you play in an alley. We played in alleys growing up
[01:23] That's where the basketball. Yeah hanging off the garage. I mean you could also easily refer to the lane down the middle
[01:30] Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's very good. I like that could it have come from a bowling alley
[01:35] So so you're saying that this isn't a basketball term that it started yeah by throwing lofting the bowling ball
[01:45] I'm just spitball in here. I don't know. There's there's some Bo Jackson out there whose sports were bowling and basketball, right?
[01:58] What did you want you wanted origin of terms and then and then how you feel
[02:02] Like who was the first person to
[02:06] Like I mean we know we know from from our study last
[02:10] Last week that there was there was no dunking on the peach basket
[02:14] So at what point was dunking okay, and who was throwing the the the lob pass for the dunk?
[02:21] Oh, if we come up with like a year
[02:24] You're a guy, I don't know
[02:27] It's a good question
[02:29] Cuz dunking wasn't legal in the rain
[02:33] Camera, all right. Yeah, I was like offensive the ABA said screw how this yeah, don't so get after it
[02:38] So in a sanctioned game, there were probably no dunks until what that's the 70s, right? But clearly people were
[02:46] Dunking on playground courts. Well, and maybe that's where it comes from, right?
[02:51] right
[02:53] The alley I I would I would say that almost certainly this happened in the ABA before the
[02:59] ABA, right? I mean, mmm-hmm. Sure
[03:02] This feels like you know, dr. J. Maloza's Monis Maloney sort of territory
[03:07] Yeah, I like this idea that that maybe it was a pass that it wasn't sanctioned in the game
[03:14] And so that's why it was an alley oop. I think it was basically like a street ball thing you could do. Yeah
[03:21] Hmm, okay. It's an alley hoop
[03:26] It could also be oop could also be
[03:32] You know a mongrelization of ooh, like you just got yoked on like
[03:37] right or
[03:40] You know, oops, that's exactly you lost your man
[03:49] So when you you I didn't think about alley as an actual place you would play I was thinking that this is probably
[03:58] I was thinking that it was maybe
[04:03] I
[04:06] Don't know. I've
[04:08] My French my Latin is not great, but I'm pretty sure if you're using French or Latin here, you're already wrong
[04:17] But I think it means to like to walk or to go or to and I was thinking you could go up
[04:25] So to walk is
[04:28] Like amble like perambulate, right in Latin. That's the that's the Latin root, right?
[04:34] Allure, I'm be a liar
[04:36] So I don't think there's anything to do with and aller aller and French is I think it's to go
[04:44] I don't know hard to walk
[04:47] That's where they get the word alley, right? Yes. That is really where we get the word out. Okay, so never mind
[04:52] We're back to where we started
[04:54] You get the term alley. I would love if we find a basketball term that is used in street ball
[05:00] That is derived from French. I would love for that to be the case
[05:03] I've got my fingers crossed for that
[05:06] Let me tell you Harper your dreams have come true whoo
[05:10] According to Wikipedia the term alley oop is derived from the French term. I lay oh what?
[05:16] Yeah, the cry of a circus acrobat about an alum
[05:20] Oh my god, the term alley oop was first used in the 1950s by the San Francisco 49ers of the NFL
[05:27] To describe a high arcing pass. It's not even back order back why a tittle?
[05:34] Hmm, yeah
[05:39] Yep, that's what Wikipedia says
[05:44] Interesting yeah, and then it just later became more well known for its use in basketball. Yeah. No, that's a thing
[05:54] I now vaguely remember that there was a play away tittle play that
[05:59] But even that I would have never gone to French to get there like
[06:03] Was Dennis Miller calling these games in the 1950s? How did we get to yeah exactly right?
[06:09] Are you are you seeing this thing that the alley oop was named after the comic book character alley oop?
[06:19] Negative okay, are you on the dark web right now? What are you doing? No? No, I took the link to alley oop
[06:28] But from where what link?
[06:31] Or did you find it? We're not looking at your computer. I lose it
[06:36] Okay, so here is an answer to a question
[06:41] North Carolina State University's
[06:48] Thompson where do they mention this guy originally?
[06:51] Somebody Thompson popularized the play during the early 1970s exploiting his 44 inch vertical leap
[06:56] Playing or crawling or recurring staple role in the wolf packs offensive attack
[07:01] Dunking was illegal in college basketball at that time upon catching the pass
[07:05] Thompson would simply drop the ball through the hoop never dunking
[07:08] Okay, so we were right that dunking was at least in 76 dunking was once again allowed in the NCAA games, so
[07:20] There's that so not ABA it was college basketball
[07:24] Which makes sense?
[07:25] Al Tucker and his brother Gerald at Oklahoma Baptist University are sometimes credited with being the first to use the alley oop in the mid 60s
[07:36] Oh, here we go
[07:41] Oh
[07:44] He apparently it was he was a time traveler and he rode atop a dinosaur and he got the term alley from
[07:56] The French
[07:57] From the same French term. So it's a coincidence
[08:02] So he no well, so he's the one that creates the it's not like the football guys were saying this is French
[08:08] They took the term from the comic book character
[08:11] No, it's a coincidence
[08:14] No, you don't alley oop a coincidence
[08:21] Argue with that Harper
[08:23] I'm gonna toss you this coincidence Duncan
[08:29] Thank You Andrew Preston for that for that
[08:32] Googleable under Google which was actually Google able these things are this is the first one that we found like a definitive answer
[08:39] Although Coalson is somehow dissenting
[08:44] But, you know, we found a real answer to that that's nice it's refreshing