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Episode 26 · February 1, 2020

Day of the Marmot

Without Coalson, the hosts take listener questions: why basketball players don't kick the ball out for injuries like in soccer, and where Groundhog Day comes from.

“As far as I know it goes back to the movie called Groundhog Day.” (08:25)

Questions

Why don't basketball teams throw the ball out of bounds when a player gets hurt, like in soccer? (00:33)

Our guess
A scoring chance in basketball comes quickly, the injured team can call timeout, and the game's rough-and-tumble origins may play a role.
Reveal the answer
No answer was established.
Verdict unresolved

Where does Groundhog Day come from? (05:49)

Our guess
An old almanac-era custom from about 1800, with Punxsutawney claiming to be the original.
Reveal the answer
The answer
Adopted in the US in 1887 when Punxsutawney's newspaper editor promoted the town's groundhog, from a Pennsylvania German custom rooted in European weather lore (a badger or bear) tied to Candlemas. A shadow means six more weeks of winter.
Verdict right

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Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:02] Well gentlemen, we've had a lot of all-star talk, but I think it's time for the under Google bubbles
[00:22] That was the play of super excited told us we had to
[00:29] We signed up for it
[00:33] In the end it's gonna be better and more true than Google can give you
[00:39] Coalson's out this week, so we're gonna have to run this on our own
[00:43] We got a couple questions in over over Twitter like Google how to do this. Yeah, I don't
[00:51] I don't know. We'll figure it out. What is it winging?
[00:54] We got a couple questions in one from Twitter my dad JJ gafrida
[01:00] Set the message in this is why don't basketball teams throw the ball out of bounds when a player gets hurt like in soccer
[01:07] it seems like the sporting thing to do and
[01:10] And Jason, you know you and I were player to Harper you played too, right?
[01:17] Coalson I don't know he played backyard basketball, so probably not applicable in his life
[01:25] But as a soccer player when you one of your
[01:30] Fellow players gets hurt same team or not you play the ball
[01:35] Out of bounds so they can be you know attended to by the medical staff
[01:41] Because you know when someone's hurt
[01:44] Friend or foe you know they didn't get taken care of so somebody got hurt
[01:49] We took care of them, and I you know that was from our levels all the way up to the professional levels
[01:54] You know World Cup. They do the same thing. I think it's the right thing to do and I in a basketball
[01:59] too, you know it always it always
[02:02] Made me cringe when I would see a
[02:05] You know somebody you don't on the court riding in pain and the others playing down the other end
[02:11] Like nothing was going on thought they should like toss the ball out of bounds. You know and in soccer you get you know
[02:16] It's a sporting thing so
[02:18] You kicked it out the other team would just give you back the ball, which is you know it was nice
[02:24] You didn't lose the possession. It's great. So what why don't you then basketball?
[02:28] You guys have ideas cuz this is America
[02:35] America you press your advantage Joey
[02:39] Yes
[02:40] no, I
[02:43] Just speculate a
[02:45] Possession like like there could be no stoppage of playing soccer for like
[02:51] 45 minutes
[02:53] Mm-hmm
[02:55] In basketball, it's likely that if you're playing five on four you're gonna score within the next 24 seconds
[03:04] So
[03:05] It's not that detrimental to let it play out and take the advantage. I
[03:11] Don't know that that makes it the right thing to do
[03:13] But chances are play is gonna stop pretty quickly anyway
[03:15] And at the very least even if the ball comes back the other way you have an option to call timeout
[03:19] Right
[03:22] Yeah, I I don't know. I mean my first instinct was that because there's a
[03:29] Shot clock situation, maybe I don't know something to do with that
[03:36] But the original version of basketball didn't really have shot clocks like I wonder if in the the James Naismith days
[03:44] Of like and apparently then it was a very physical game. It was like
[03:50] You know, he had to invent this game because guys were just basically
[03:55] rough housing too much
[03:57] Because they were trapped inside for the winter, you know, she was like here play this game with this peach basket
[04:03] But then guys would just fight over the ball. I think so I wonder if that that's where it started is
[04:08] They were just like screw you
[04:10] This game is about beating each other up. And if you're down, that's my advantage
[04:15] Like I wonder if that's where it stems from. I don't know
[04:21] I think they should I think you know, somebody gets hurt
[04:25] You should just throw the ball out of bounds
[04:28] And then off that don't get attention
[04:32] Yeah off off the player
[04:35] Preferably in you know a soft spot
[04:38] Preferably in the soft underbelly
[04:45] So I wish they would
[04:49] and I think it's
[04:51] You know as long as both teams are in understanding, you know, even the leagues I still play in you know
[04:57] there's a nice respect between
[04:59] Your team and the other team and there's appreciations. There's still like genuine appreciation for taking care of the other players
[05:05] I mean really the best solution to this would be
[05:10] Official injury timeout, right?
[05:12] so if there's a clear two on one the other way or something you let them go score their basket and then you
[05:17] Shut it down while you tend to the player. If there's no particular advantage then just you know
[05:22] stop play
[05:24] Yeah
[05:25] Because sport sportsmanship may be too much to ask
[05:29] right
[05:31] Well, shout out to JJ
[05:35] We may have hit upon an actual
[05:39] non googleable
[05:43] thing
[05:45] Right. I'm trying to google this but it's
[05:49] My Google skills might not be that good. I've got one more question
[06:00] this week
[06:01] Okay
[06:03] so it's it's late January and
[06:06] I
[06:07] Wouldn't say it's getting much warmer, but that we've had some warm days a spring is around the corner
[06:13] Groundhog day is coming up. I don't know what groundhog day really is. You know, I know that there's the
[06:19] In Zippox Tawney, Pennsylvania. There's a there's a groundhog
[06:24] If it sees a shadow, it's either good or bad. I don't remember. But do you guys know where this this came from?
[06:32] Was this from our pagan ancestors
[06:38] Probably
[06:41] Before we get into this this decide though the rule
[06:45] It's you take the groundhog out and if it sees its shadow
[06:50] Six more weeks of winter. Yeah, cuz I think it gets scared, right?
[06:55] Is the thing I didn't know about that
[06:58] It gets scared of its own shadow and it
[07:02] runs away
[07:03] It it hot it runs back and hides
[07:06] But it's six more weeks of winter the the worst situation or is like that a good thing
[07:12] That's the other thing. I never understand about groundhog day. I
[07:17] Assume for for planting crop purposes a longer growing season is better
[07:22] Okay, but like six weeks from February 2nd is like mid-march, which is
[07:32] Before the official end of winter which is March 21st is the spring solstice
[07:38] So like I never know if like if she if he sees the shadow
[07:42] Six more weeks of winter and that's awesome. That's what we want or we don't want him to see the shadow and
[07:50] That means a longer winter, I don't know I can never remember this
[07:53] Yeah, I don't know either and you would think that the safe thing would to do would be to wait to plant your crops
[07:58] So you don't get a hard freeze afterwards in your entire crop gets destroyed, right? So
[08:03] Sure. Yeah, you have very bad pucks a tonny fill if you lose your entire crop because
[08:08] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm
[08:10] But we yeah, so where do you think this said back in back in old England?
[08:16] Yes, yield England yield England, right I
[08:22] Don't know I never really thought of it as an international thing
[08:25] I always thought it was a strictly American situation. I mean, I've never I've never heard anyone else talk about it. Maybe I'm wrong
[08:32] I don't know
[08:33] No, I also have never heard anyone talk about I'm assuming that that's a totally
[08:39] Okay, so it's American but it goes back a lot must go back a long time, right like to
[08:47] Colonial ish days as far as I know it goes back to the movie called groundhog day
[08:59] Which I have seen that is the movie I have seen I really enjoy that movie
[09:06] Hmm and it's like a yeah, this is such a weird thing
[09:11] It's only in one city that they do the thing
[09:16] Yeah, I wonder if there was a time when multiple places used to do this
[09:21] Or whether it's just like this is the
[09:25] Did they send their goons over to like the city over say shut that down
[09:30] This is our thing. I
[09:32] Have a sense that for some reason I'm thinking that multiple cities do this
[09:36] But just that punks a tonny is like some hat for some reason
[09:40] and
[09:42] Decided to market it the best or whatever
[09:45] Or like stake their claim to it that really is
[09:49] Like what would hugs a Tony be?
[09:55] And Phil is the name of the groundhog, right? Yeah pucks Tony Phil
[10:02] Okay, they're all named Phil. Yeah, I don't know. I'm with you
[10:07] I feel like this probably goes back a long way to when we were using, you know, the
[10:12] Ben Franklin almanac to decide all things
[10:16] And predict all things. So I'm gonna guess that it started in
[10:22] like
[10:25] 1800 and
[10:27] that punks a Tony was the
[10:30] They've at least led claimed to be in the original people to do this
[10:37] Okay, so in that you are correct so groundhog day was adopted in the US in
[10:44] 1887
[10:47] Climber H free s was the editor of the local punks a Tony spirit at the time
[10:53] And he began promoting the town's groundhog as the official groundhog day meteorologist
[11:00] What was his name again?
[11:02] claim climber
[11:04] CLY me are okay
[11:07] Climber H free s not only climber but climber with a Y
[11:11] right, mm-hmm
[11:13] So he was the official meteorologist of groundhog day
[11:17] Yes
[11:19] So according to Wikipedia started as a Pennsylvania German custom in southeastern and central
[11:26] Pennsylvania in the 18th and 19th centuries
[11:29] It has its origins in ancient European weather lore in which a badger or sacred bear is the
[11:38] prognosticator as opposed to a groundhog
[11:41] It also bears similar to similarities to the pagan festival of boom in in bulk
[11:50] The seasonal turning point of the Celtic calendar. Yeah, we got to get ready for that like real soon
[11:57] And to st. Swithin's day on July 15th interesting
[12:03] This is a bear involved to I like Coalson like bears. I'm excited about that
[12:07] Mm-hmm a badger or a bear sacred bear you said it also has something to do with something called
[12:18] Can't candle must day
[12:25] Which
[12:26] according to the Germans
[12:29] Is when a groundhog peeps out of his winter quarters and if he sees his shadow pops back in for another six weeks nap
[12:37] But if the day be cloudy he remain out as the weather is to be moderate
[12:45] Okay, so that means that if he sees a shadow six more weeks of winter is the bad situation
[12:51] But if he doesn't then the weather is going to be moderate if the day be cloudy if the day be cloudy
[12:59] Also
[13:01] Punxsutawney's full name
[13:04] Punxsutawney Phil seer of seers sage of sages
[13:10] prognasticator of prognasticators
[13:19] His full name I
[13:31] Learned so much
[13:33] Mm-hmm
[13:37] well
[13:39] Wikipedia they have a full list of all the groundhog
[13:44] Predictions from like multiple cities since 2008
[13:48] Apparently they don't get a record either or at least Punxsutawney Phil doesn't
[13:53] Hmm surprising
[13:58] If you can't count on a groundhog
[14:02] Loyal beasts those
[14:07] Hmm I
[14:09] Like in a Canadian French, it's called
[14:12] Geordie le Marmot
[14:17] Day of the Marmot yeah
[14:21] That actually sounds way nicer
[14:24] groundhog day