Episode 18 · December 7, 2019
The Old Food Bucket
The hosts try to figure out where the phrase "in the hopper" comes from, detouring through golf and tennis ball hoppers before finding the real source.
“You can put your good ideas in a rabbit for safekeeping. It's the safest place you could put things.” (03:11)
Questions
Where does the phrase "in the hopper" come from? (00:36)
Our guess
A farming term, perhaps a cart for picking and storing produce, or possibly a golf or tennis ball hopper.
A farming term, perhaps a cart for picking and storing produce, or possibly a golf or tennis ball hopper.
Reveal the answer
The answer
From the hopper of a grain mill, first recorded in English in 1277, and later any device that sorts grain from chaff or gold from mud.
From the hopper of a grain mill, first recorded in English in 1277, and later any device that sorts grain from chaff or gold from mud.
Verdict partly
Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:04] It's time again for our segment that the fans just love, Under Googles. [00:10] We doing Under Googles? [00:17] That was the play of it. [00:18] I'm super excited. [00:19] You told us we had to. [00:21] We said we signed up for it. [00:25] In the end, it's going to be better and more true than Google can give you. [00:30] We get to talk about something we generally don't know much about. [00:36] What do you have for us this week, Coalson? [00:38] Under Googles lighting the internet on fire. [00:42] This week, shout out to Pops Coalson who sent me several options on Under Googles. [00:52] I said, thanks, Dad. [00:54] I'll put that in the hopper. [00:56] He was like, that's a really good one. [00:58] Where did the hopper come from? [01:02] I thought that was pretty good. [01:03] I don't know where that phrase comes from. [01:06] In the hopper, we know what it means. [01:09] We're putting our good ideas in the hopper so we can go back to it. [01:15] The first thing that comes to mind for me is the... [01:19] Jason, you played a lot golf. [01:22] Sure. [01:23] Is that little thing you go pick up the balls? [01:25] Is that called the hopper? [01:27] I don't know, but my thinking was in tennis, they have a little thing that you go and pick. [01:33] That's definitely called the hopper. [01:35] But same idea, it helps you pick the balls up off the ground without having to stoop over. [01:39] But I don't know what... [01:42] It seems like that phrase would be around long before golf or tennis were invented. [01:49] Golf's pretty old, isn't it? [01:53] Tennis might be. [01:57] How old's tennis? [01:58] A little over 100 years, right? [02:00] I feel like it's older than that. [02:03] I mean, we didn't have fancy clubs, but... [02:06] That's much carbon fiber. [02:10] The first British Open was like 110 years ago or something like that. [02:17] I feel like it would have been not long after they... [02:21] Invented it? [02:22] Yeah. [02:23] I mean, maybe 50 years at most, but like... [02:26] Okay. [02:27] So it's not like a medieval game? [02:30] No. [02:31] Sticking ball? [02:32] No, I don't think so. [02:33] Sticking hoop? [02:36] You had to have leisure time before you could come up with sports, right? [02:40] Yeah. [02:41] So it's got to be like sort of... [02:42] I mean, I guess there were some sports, but like... [02:45] Especially a sport where you have to take like six hours to go walk around in a huge tract of land. [02:53] Yeah. [02:54] I mean, how old's St. Andrews? [02:55] That's how old golf is, right? [02:57] Right, yeah. [03:01] Okay, so we've been sidetracked by the age of where does golf come from. [03:06] What about the hopper? [03:07] I feel like a hopper maybe is like... [03:09] It's got to be some farm term or something, right? [03:11] Okay. [03:12] I was thinking it was related to rabbits, but that's just... [03:16] Everything in my life now is related to rabbits. [03:18] You can put your good ideas in a rabbit for safekeeping. [03:23] It's the safest place you could put things. [03:26] That's right. [03:27] Just give it to the rabbit. [03:28] It'll be fun. [03:30] Yeah, maybe a hopper is just a general term for a place where like you're holding tank, right? [03:39] Maybe tennis wasn't the first thing to have a hopper. [03:42] Right. [03:44] So you mentioned farm, farming like a bucket to put our stuff we're going to eat for later in there? [03:53] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [03:55] The food bucket is the term. [03:57] The old food bucket. [04:00] That's why it's probably... [04:01] Hopper's a better name for it than a food bucket, probably. [04:04] I'm thinking like bigger farm equipment like some sort of cart or something like that [04:10] where you're picking stuff and you just throw it in the hopper when you grab it. [04:14] You pick it, put it in the hopper. [04:17] So you're talking about like a big modern machine. [04:23] No, it's not necessarily modern. [04:25] It could be like a cart kind of thing. [04:28] Ox pulled hopper. [04:29] Exactly. [04:31] Or maybe... Did you set us up? [04:33] Is this an NBA player's nickname? [04:40] Okay, so we're picking plants and throwing it on an ox pulled cart and saving it for later. [04:49] That's our guess. [04:50] I like where that went. [04:52] I got an update on golf. [04:54] Okay, so golf... [04:55] The roots of today's golf game can be traced back to Scotland in 1457. [05:00] Bang. [05:01] The game was outlawed by King James II as it detracted from the training for the military. [05:08] It became a pastime in Great Britain in the 17th century and the first British Open was held in 1860. [05:17] So it's older than I thought, but not like ancient by any means. [05:22] Do you think they had a hopper back in the 1400s where they were picking up the balls? [05:27] I think that's the invention that spurred it to become popular, probably. [05:31] Yeah, it saves you from bending over, which people hate. [05:34] Sure. [05:36] All right, so it's a golf term. [05:39] We're farming. [05:41] We're farming. [05:44] And why would it... [05:45] Okay, so if it was a golf term, I guess you're saving your golf, your good golf balls? [05:54] No. [05:55] Like when you practice, like when you're on the putting green or whatever, like there's just a little... [05:59] You got a little contraption and you just... [06:02] Sure, and you've got a bag. [06:04] Yeah. [06:05] We just like to go pick them up so you can go play with them again later. [06:08] The same thing in tennis too. [06:09] You just put it down, you pick up the ball, it hops to the next location, put it in there. [06:15] But how would that get to the term that it is now where like if I'm... [06:19] We're sitting around a table and we're having good ideas, but we need to move on from that idea so we put it in the hopper. [06:28] You pick it up and put it into the storage location. [06:30] Yeah, which is your brain. [06:32] Or a rabbit. [06:34] Or your manila envelope if you're... [06:36] Right, or your white board. [06:39] All right, so we're going golf or farming. [06:42] I'm in. [06:43] Tennis. [06:44] Or tennis. [06:45] And I'm going to guess that it's 400 years old. [06:55] Okay. [06:57] Okay, according to grammarist.com, Hopper is part of an agricultural or industrial machine [07:07] that is a sorting device for separating things such as grain from chaff or gold [07:13] or other precious gems and minerals from mud and rock. [07:20] The term in the hopper derives from the word hopper, an English word first seen in 1277 [07:27] designating the hopper in a mill that processed grain. [07:32] All right. [07:35] Well, there you go. [07:36] Very close. [07:38] Off by, you know, a few hundred years and it's all good. [07:45] That's like close for us. [07:47] Yeah, exactly. [07:48] And I like getting gold from muck. [07:50] That kind of goes, you know, speaks more to the sort of modern use of the term, you know. [08:01] I feel like I learned a little bit. [08:03] Just a little bit. [08:04] Just a little bit. [08:05] We know it's not about a rabbit now. [08:07] That's good. [08:08] That has been confirmed.