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Episode 14 · November 9, 2019

Give the Big Bird

The hosts look into the origin and meaning of the middle finger.

“Geese were real scary back then.” (05:42)

Questions

What is the history and meaning of the middle finger, and why is it called "the bird"? (00:32)

Our guess
A clear signal at a distance, probably phallic or sexual in origin.
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The answer
In ancient Greece and Rome it represented the phallus (the Greeks called it "catapygon"), with the neighboring fingers standing for the testicles. In the US it dates to the 1890s, possibly via Italian immigrants. "The bird" comes from the 1860s expression "give the big bird", meaning to hiss like a goose.
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Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:01] Coalson
[00:03] The news came in and it sounds like there's more under Googles for us. What do you got for us this week?
[00:08] We got the under Googles. Oh
[00:15] We doing under Googles. That was the play of super excited. I told us we had to
[00:24] We signed up for it in the end it's gonna be better and more true than Google can give you
[00:32] America's fastest growing game show most beloved
[00:38] Game show. Oh, I know this one false. I
[00:45] Heard you fair enough
[00:50] So this week I've got a
[00:54] Question for the panel here the middle finger
[01:00] Does anybody know the history or the meaning?
[01:07] Of the middle finger. Why is it that why is it disrespectful? Why do we call it the bird?
[01:14] I don't know. I have so many questions. I might have been I might have been in traffic the other day and seen it and
[01:19] You know not from
[01:22] It the other day too
[01:24] And I started thinking about it. I'm like, I don't really know why this is offensive
[01:29] so thoughts
[01:33] few I guess
[01:35] I mean the first thing that comes to my mind is that you know, it's it's in the center of your hands
[01:40] So it's it's gonna be clear when you're trying to
[01:43] Express yourself at distance. I definitely think that's why it's important while driving for sure. I agree with that
[01:49] Right. You could do that and everybody knows what you did
[01:53] Sure
[01:54] Yeah
[01:56] So it's a it's a clear signal, right
[02:00] So I feel like it must have come around
[02:02] sort of
[02:03] Middle-aged easy because people used to thumb their nose at people that was like
[02:08] Wasn't like the worst thing you could do is thumb in your nose at somebody, right?
[02:12] Thumb my nose at you. Yeah, huh
[02:15] Could you have thumbed your nose with your middle finger and it turned into just middle finger or something like that?
[02:22] I guess that wouldn't make thumbing your nose. That would be middle finger in your nose
[02:29] Damn it. That didn't work out
[02:32] Coals and struggling more with this than his paces analysis. How much time here's here's our under googles
[02:37] We how much time do you spend on under googles versus?
[02:41] Pacers analysis in the game. It's about 50-50 about 50-50 split
[02:48] So probably Shakespeare
[02:52] It's always
[02:55] Shakespeare and a falcon
[02:58] It's definitely related to falconry. That's how that's why it's called the bird probably
[03:04] Just wrap that up with a nice little bow
[03:08] Bring it back around
[03:10] The bird part. I don't I don't have any idea why you would call it the bird that feels like some weird 50s
[03:16] Slang thing that's okay. It's got to be like dirty right to be this offensive. It's got to be
[03:26] you know, it's like phallic or sexual or
[03:30] Something like that
[03:32] just get a logical
[03:34] Yeah, like it's like it just feels like it's to be so offensive
[03:39] We've got to be
[03:41] You know, it can't just be it's my middle finger, you know
[03:45] Uh
[03:47] Ancient Greece in ancient Rome
[03:51] Historically, it represented the phallus. Yay
[03:54] You're really happy about that
[04:00] So instead of pulling out your wiener you just showed them your finger it's a representation. Yeah
[04:10] You could see somebody kind of hanging that in between their legs and then it you know, that could be a thing
[04:18] Hmm
[04:19] The fingers next to the middle finger representing the testicles. So somebody put a lot of thought into this
[04:24] That's why it's the middle
[04:27] Sure, it wasn't Shakespeare. Wow. There's a word in Greek for it
[04:36] catapygon
[04:37] Well, and I guess I guess we should have thought about this even further
[04:44] There's a reason why this would would mean, you know to screw off, right?
[04:50] If you think about it
[04:53] Aristophanes had it in a play
[04:56] So it goes back to place we're kind of right
[05:02] Where's the fountain was Aristophanes Shakespeare same thing. Where's the Falcon though?
[05:07] according to
[05:09] Wikipedia linguist Jesse she lower traces the gestures development in the United States to the 1890s
[05:16] According to anthropologist Desmond Morris the gesture probably came to the United States via Italian immigrants
[05:24] Don't tell me I'd ever did nothing for you
[05:30] Okay, here we go bird
[05:34] Is was a middle finger held up in a root gesture. It's slang derived from the 1860s expression give the big bird
[05:42] to hiss someone like a goose
[05:46] Mmm, so if you're you're hissing like a goose it's
[05:52] The 19th century was weird. Yeah, like geese were real scary back then
[05:59] we combined the scariness of geese with the
[06:03] Jester of the phallus. Yes. Yes. I love bird. I love our species
[06:10] Yeah, and Cora managed to break out the word
[06:15] pajoration
[06:17] As in to make pejorative
[06:19] Okay, it's a deep cut core
[06:24] The Latin bestiary and Cambridge describes the middle finger as that by means of which the pursuit of dishonor is indicated. I
[06:38] love that phrase
[06:40] By means of which the pursuit of dishonor is indicated
[06:46] Burn burn sick burn
[06:49] Well, we learned something. I
[06:55] Feel I probably will I don't use the middle finger a lot. I feel like I might use it less now. I don't know
[07:04] Except a accepted geese
[07:06] Right. Yes, they deserve it. Mm-hmm those hissing bastards stupid geese
[07:12] All right, I
[07:14] Feel like we learned a lot of things this week
[07:17] Yeah, that's what we did. We're we're an educational show Jim
[07:22] Mm-hmm
[07:25] Is it true that you get college credit for listening to our show
[07:32] Definitely not for producing it only at Trump University. I think we're out of business
[07:40] He'll still take your dollars if you send them. That's probably true business is booming. Mm-hmm
[07:47] So I
[07:49] you know
[07:52] The internet like stalks you and knows what you're trying to buy and then we'll advertise it to you on whatever page
[07:58] Mm-hmm
[08:00] There is a
[08:02] picture of a dog with a lion mane
[08:06] Sitting on this page here because Kyle was the cowardly lion for Halloween. Mm-hmm. And apparently
[08:16] We just need family. We just have dog costumes now. I
[08:23] Should use the internet for
[08:26] less things
[08:28] You gonna buy a dog just appease the advertisers
[08:32] Right where I need to get one for my rabbit now
[08:36] We have a rabbit lion. I
[08:39] Guess I thought you were saying you need to get a dog for your rabbit. I
[08:43] Could do that, too. Yeah, maybe best friends or
[08:47] One would be eaten one of the two well, no, I'll just get a little dog so that my rabbits bigger than that
[08:53] Would be so cute punk on my little
[08:56] That would be cute
[08:59] Yeah, you gotta let dogs out, you know, like twice a day
[09:11] Sounds like you're not getting a dog Joey's cat goes out ten times a day
[09:21] Yeah, I'm really hoping that my rabbit if it's a practice child that my child is just like this rabbit
[09:27] Eats twice a day doesn't make any noise. Oh
[09:30] Man, I clean out its box like I can see you two days
[09:33] I can see you chatting with your your co-workers and be like, yeah
[09:37] man, I was up last night my kid was chewing on the cords and
[09:41] Some might as well just I was up. So I thought I might as well just change this litter
[09:50] Yeah, Kyle's gonna be very busy
[09:52] You guys got anything else this week you want to bring up I
[10:02] Don't think so. Okay. Good cuz I was gonna say no
[10:10] You know, you don't really care now, I mean I care that's why I would say no I care for the listeners
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[11:05] Over
[11:11] Thanks, it was soulful
[11:14] You know the under Google was do blow my mind like I
[11:18] not only did we learn this week that Aristophanes and
[11:22] Shakespeare are the same person I
[11:24] learned last week that
[11:26] Standardized time didn't start until trains that blew my mind. I
[11:31] Told everybody I knew all week. I was like, this is crazy
[11:34] Did you know this and apparently it didn't we didn't have time until 1860 and we apparently didn't really work out time until
[11:41] 1966 right? Yeah. Yeah, that's the really shocking thing
[11:46] Yeah, so I don't know if anybody else needs to learn this stuff, but clearly I do leave it to America to privatize time
[11:53] I
[11:56] For the train companies to do it. I
[11:59] Have really think that I like the you can buy those, you know, they've got those atomic clocks. Yeah
[12:05] Like to the you know, the one that the government operates
[12:08] You know, it's it's it's whatever it loses their gains a second every, you know, 15 could you I think I've actually got seven
[12:15] Yeah, yeah, there's there's definitely more than one
[12:18] But you can buy these other ones that
[12:21] Pick up these the radio waves they'd like broadcast that time
[12:24] I don't know for the radio so they could they're always correct, you know to down to them
[12:29] You know one one millionth of a second and we'll keep you being for you know late for work
[12:35] But the time the clock will be right. Yeah
[12:38] Doesn't have for that
[12:39] My work clocks probably not exactly on that. So
[12:44] Probably be late. Anyway, do you set your work clock like slow ten minutes. So it looks like you're
[12:51] On time it's good idea
[12:54] Well, I work in a bar you don't have clocks at bars, you know, I want to people to know it's time to leave
[13:01] That's what the that's what yelling is for get out of here. Yeah, exactly. I tell you when to leave you don't decide
[13:08] Based on thinking it's getting a little too late. That sounds what that last call song is for
[13:14] That's right. How's your body clock Coalson? My house my body clock. Yeah
[13:20] Is it tickets don't kill a person? Yeah, I
[13:26] Feel like I should stop recording
[13:29] It's getting weird
[13:32] Just just it's just me flipping you off Joey
[13:36] Well, I think Joey's already using emoji as the plural so he's already up to his emoji game on us
[13:49] For his nerd game, I'm not sure which
[13:52] It's emoji. I believe emoji. What do you what do you call like a
[13:57] Like a group of emoji. Is it a is it a flock emoji? Oh, it's like a murder
[14:05] And murder of emoji
[14:08] I hope so