Singing Mouse

[00:00] Coalson, you got a standard. What do you what do you do for?
[00:05] You've got a under Google ball not much. Yeah
[00:21] We do under Google rules. That was the play of super excited told us we had to
[00:29] We signed up for it in the end it's gonna be better and more true than Google can give you
[00:38] I was I was gonna I've been waiting to have the two of you here
[00:41] for
[00:43] This because you guys are the the soccer people
[00:47] Hmm, I would like to know the history of the term
[00:51] hat trick
[00:55] Hmm. Okay. I also as a secondary question if you you guys want to deal with this the way you want to
[01:03] The history of the term nutmeg
[01:06] Okay, both in soccer, correct?
[01:11] Yes, hat trick is in hockey, too. Yeah, I'm gonna sit my guess is that
[01:18] Hat trick originated in hockey. That would be my guess. Okay, so why is it a hat trick?
[01:23] It's it's three things. Is that the definition when you get three goals?
[01:27] Yeah, it's very good. Yeah, and that's true in soccer or in credit
[01:31] It happens less often in soccer probably because no great. It's just because there's less scoring. Yeah
[01:37] and the tradition in
[01:40] Hockey is that you throw your hat if you're a fan in the crowd and somebody has a hat trick
[01:47] Especially if it's your team you throw your hat on the ice
[01:51] Really?
[01:52] Yeah, and so is this allowed?
[01:56] Well, they stopped the game and somebody has to come out and put the broom and they like shovel up all the hats
[02:03] Yeah, you can actually go redeem your hat they like put them somewhere and then you can go sift through the pile or something
[02:10] Try to get your hat back. I learned once
[02:13] Like so your initials in the back of your hat. Exactly. Yeah
[02:20] So or maybe they have like a like a luggage carousel
[02:27] Just like yeah, it's going around
[02:31] Like that looks oh, no, no, no, no, not mine. Yeah
[02:35] So
[02:37] I think it comes from that and I don't know if it was just some crazy guy. I got super excited
[02:42] Because somebody threw or scored three goals in game through his hat hat on that ice and then that started it
[02:48] Maybe that could be that simple Jerry buddy. You're more of a hockey guy than I so yeah
[02:53] And it's I mean, it's been a bit since I've seriously watched the game. But but I that that that all tracks
[03:02] From from what I've seen
[03:05] Yeah, you toss the hat on there hockey also has lots of other things that people throw on the ice
[03:10] I think that's that's the most common but then there's also
[03:17] The octopus yeah, they Detroit they throw octopi octopuses. Yeah octopi
[03:23] Is that for a hat trick or is it just in general though? Just throw chuck a
[03:30] Is it is it octopi or is it squids?
[03:35] I think it's I think it's the octopus. I think it's octopus. They're real smart
[03:40] They're probably not happy being on the ice. Not the ones that are on the ice. They're they're dead
[03:48] spoiler alert Joey
[03:50] Watched I haven't watched hockey before and now you've just ruined the whole thing. I
[03:54] Think I think in Philly they throw batteries or something
[03:58] They do that at any sport. I feel it. They throw batteries in Santa. So it but
[04:06] You don't know of it like an apocryphal story of like how the hat trick started or something
[04:12] No, I I don't know. No, no, but I would say I mean if I'm if I got to put a I'd say hockey I'd say
[04:23] I'd say the
[04:26] 1930s and
[04:30] Okay, why the 1930s I feel like that's when
[04:34] People had extra hats
[04:38] Well, I'm very excited about things so I was thinking and this is this is probably too literal
[04:44] But I was thinking that a hat trick is when you pull the rabbit out of the hat from a magician
[04:50] Okay, and so if you get three goals your magic and so therefore you're producing a
[04:58] magical thing like the hat trick and
[05:01] So I was thinking maybe the term would have come when
[05:06] Magicians were really popular like where they were the main source of entertainment like late
[05:10] 1800s turn of the century and that's probably when soccer was a big deal the main thing
[05:15] There's no way they were the main
[05:17] Look, there was no movies before the turn of the century. Like you went to see people do magic. You didn't what people do
[05:24] They went you know, you know what people did at the turn of century
[05:27] They went to the dock and waved boats leaving people. They didn't even know
[05:35] Magic was the biggest shit on earth. I don't
[05:40] I'm out on that one. All right
[05:42] I'm gonna go turn of the century and it's if you can get three goals your magic and you've produced a rabbit out of the
[05:49] Hat trick and you think it was hockey related or soccer you think I think it's soccer because I think it's European
[05:59] And I think hockey is north of North America, right? Yeah for sure Canada
[06:07] Okay, and then nutmeg, okay, yeah nutmeg I don't know the origin so can you
[06:14] So nutmeg is when you
[06:18] Dribble the ball or pass the ball through an opposing players legs. So you like split the wickets if you will. Okay, and
[06:26] That one I always assumed
[06:29] Was a
[06:31] Euphemism, you know
[06:33] Going through the nuts
[06:36] Okay, and then they just they just relied on the the spice nutmeg and then you see it was sort of like I
[06:43] We're talking about he went through his nuts. What's nuts related to we've we've done these things. Yeah, they're just a
[06:51] associative
[06:52] Joke sort of this is how we come up with gummy bear for
[06:56] Doing not we
[06:58] Hey, yeah, actually you were both a part of it. You both said things that got me to gummy bear
[07:02] So yeah, I'm trying to try to keep you in the trying to keep you in the conversation
[07:06] Yeah, I speak your language. It's a reaching out to you
[07:12] Yeah, no that'd be like that I mean so that definitely does happen in hockey too, but I don't it's not as oh
[07:17] Is that is that the same thing in hockey? Like if you it's the same thing
[07:20] I mean, it's the same thing we see in basketball in basketball. They refer to it like when you pass through the lake
[07:25] Yeah, you don't see it that often though, cuz it's it's not that often but
[07:30] Genobly was really good at it. That was like I saw so many of him
[07:35] Doing that and people were in their big defensive stance. Yeah
[07:39] yeah, yeah, they got their legs spread open and and
[07:43] You you know, you find the guy right behind him right only available. Yep, okay
[07:48] So so we think that one's through the nuts and then we just use the association of the spice. Yep. Okay. Yeah
[07:54] I think so. It's a it's a more pleasant way to say something. What era would that be much later?
[08:01] When we're nuts invented
[08:06] I have no idea
[08:09] You think is is a hockey or a soccer originated I think it's in the 70s. It comes out in the 70s
[08:15] We're all talking about a lot of nuts in the 70s
[08:18] I
[08:24] Would say I would say soccer, you know, it happens in the other sports, but I don't think it's not as often
[08:29] It's well, it's not maybe not as often but also it's not as like
[08:32] You know
[08:34] It's not a big deal, you know, I don't feel like the in basketball
[08:38] I don't feel like people you know, what happens in soccer if it happens to you, it's embarrassing, you know
[08:44] Hmm
[08:51] Sure, I'm seeing for hat trick
[09:01] The first use of the term comes from a specific cricket match from 1858
[09:07] Bowler H. H. Stevenson playing for an all England squad
[09:13] Took three consecutive wickets at Hyde Park cricket grounds in Sheffield meeting hit blah blah blah and then they talk about how
[09:22] jumped to
[09:24] hockey in 1909
[09:27] This doesn't say why it's called a hatjerk. Ah
[09:31] well also
[09:33] in
[09:35] Toronto there was a businessman that promoted his business by offering a hat to any player who scored three goals during a game in Toronto
[09:44] For sure. Okay, so
[09:46] Okay, so from Wikipedia it says that that guy H. H. Stevenson
[09:52] Who I'm sure is Lance. Stevenson's great. Great. Great. Great
[09:56] Made the three consecutive wickets and fans held the collection for Stevenson and
[10:03] Presented him with a hat
[10:05] That held the proceedings so they took up a collection and a hat and gave it to that's
[10:11] Okay, that's really cool. Is that is that I mean that's gotta be right, right?
[10:15] Who knows?
[10:18] it's
[10:19] There is a oh
[10:23] A sighting from the Oxford English dictionary on Wikipedia
[10:28] Relatively, can I give you a real quick on nutmeg? Yeah, I've got two options here one from Quora and
[10:36] one from
[10:37] the Guardian
[10:39] Quora says nut megs were such a valuable commodity that unscrupulous
[10:44] Exporters were to pull a fast one by mixing a helping of wooden replicas into the sacks being shipped to England
[10:51] So it'd be pulling a fast one would be nothing. Oh
[10:56] interesting now
[10:57] The other one says etymology the earliest use of the term was in a novel
[11:04] Called a bad lot by Brian Glanville in
[11:08] 1977
[11:11] Called the language of football
[11:14] And in that case the nuts refer to the testicles of a player through which legs have been passed
[11:22] So the
[11:24] 1977 so the 70s guess was good on nutmeg
[11:27] Unless we believe in the other thing
[11:29] Well, do you know when it started being you like I mean, I guess it's probably not a term that shows up in the
[11:37] Like the newspapers a lot, you know when they're describing football matches or hockey games
[11:47] Looks like Wikipedia gives it to
[11:51] Blind Brian Glanville as well in 1977 Jason you may know Luis Suarez
[11:59] But when in his time in Liverpool, but he was known
[12:07] They made a banner saying that Suarez can not make a mermaid
[12:12] Wow, very nice. That's cool. I like that
[12:16] Cuz the mermaids only have one leg Joey
[12:21] Yeah, that's the joke and oh
[12:26] Also on the Wikipedia page manage nobly we mentioned
[12:32] It was mentioned as one of the few but the other person is
[12:36] The boom Jamal Tinsley nice boys the past between the legs. Yeah
[12:42] the Wikipedia also on the Wikipedia page, there's a
[12:45] Huge list at the bottom of what the term means and other like in lots of different countries
[12:52] Some of them I get some of my don't
[12:57] Albania there's a
[12:59] The term is between the thighs
[13:02] Oh, okay
[13:05] But then other ones like like Austria
[13:08] It's called
[13:10] Gircle which just means small cucumber
[13:14] Hmm a little big gherkin or people is that the thing I got hidden in the Christmas tree big little gherkin. Yes
[13:23] If in Hong Kong and Cantonese you say you got your dream cleaned
[13:31] Well, did we learn anything
[13:33] We did yeah, I don't know that we nailed down nutmeg
[13:36] But we know that the hat trick runs from cricket, right and the dude was given a hat full of money full of money
[13:43] I like that a lot. That's a fun answer. It's it's more fun than my pulling a rabbit out of a hat
[13:49] And I feel like it could be a combination of the nutmeg is pulling a fast one over somebody as well as
[13:56] You know, I think it fits nicely. It does. I feel like they can both be true. They fold in together. So let's do that one
[14:03] I want to see the you know, what?
[14:06] Wikipedia here to the
[14:08] the genobly and Jamal tinsley
[14:11] note is
[14:14] original research
[14:17] Hmm, so it's not they give somebody's name. No, it just says no
[14:23] There's no it's not cited anywhere
[14:28] Also, you guys you heard the the term five hole
[14:31] Yes, I don't hear that hockey. Yep. What's a five hole?
[14:36] It's it's this it's the spot. It's between the goalies legs
[14:40] Okay, I in that one I had always heard it was
[14:46] Like if there was like a
[14:49] cutout
[14:50] Like of a goalie like if you you could do drills and hockey
[14:54] You try to get it between his legs. Well, so there's like they would put like a
[15:00] Small goal and they would basically put like this like sort of
[15:04] Like a piece of wood or something up that covered most of the goal
[15:07] But there was some of it was open and there was five holes that you could you could score through
[15:14] Basically, there was like underneath both arms
[15:17] Was a hole underneath those lay or we have like between the side of bull
[15:22] Yeah on the outside of both legs and then so it was one two three four and then the five was the middle one
[15:27] Okay, so, you know what I thought five hole was a singing mouse