Episode 145 · June 11, 2022
Crossed the Rubicon
The hosts try to figure out why "the die is cast", first guessing metal casting and dyed clothing.
“This is the show where you learn where your vernacular came from.” (01:02)
Questions
Where does the phrase "the die is cast" come from? (01:02)
Our guess
Metal die casting (a mold) or dye cast into cloth, meaning something is set and unchangeable.
Metal die casting (a mold) or dye cast into cloth, meaning something is set and unchangeable.
Reveal the answer
The answer
From the Latin "alea iacta est" ("the dice have been thrown"), said by Julius Caesar when he crossed the Rubicon in 49 BC. "Die" is a single die, and the phrase entered English in the early 1600s.
From the Latin "alea iacta est" ("the dice have been thrown"), said by Julius Caesar when he crossed the Rubicon in 49 BC. "Die" is a single die, and the phrase entered English in the early 1600s.
Verdict wrong
Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] Coalson it's been a while [00:03] We have a sub segment that has now [00:07] Spun off into its own podcast. It's its own behemoth for sure [00:12] called the under googles [00:15] Where we [00:17] Tackle things that can't be googled and I mean they can be googled but maybe shouldn't be potentially [00:24] We we Google we we we use our brain power [00:28] To be better than Google [00:30] That's right [00:32] How can we help you this week? We do it under Google rules. That was the play of super excited [00:49] I told us we had to [00:53] We signed up for it in the end it's gonna be better and more true than Google can give you [01:02] So I just want to say that I was at [01:05] camping with a bunch of dudes [01:07] this weekend and [01:10] The amount of phrases that were just spilled out of these people's mouths like [01:16] wheelhouse and you know [01:20] Hair of the dog and things and I just kept being like oh, I know where that came from [01:24] I know where that came from. I know where that came from because we've done this show [01:28] This is the this is the show where you learn where your vernacular came from [01:33] The dye is cast [01:39] Okay, that's those two [01:41] Like steel working, right or whatever. Okay [01:47] Does it I don't know I? [01:50] Didn't make a cast [01:54] Wait, so I was thinking I [01:57] I was thinking [01:59] Clothing, right? So [02:02] When you add colors to a dye [02:07] Dye is the color though, right? [02:11] Well dye is the product [02:14] Of adding the colors to the medium, right? So you create a dye [02:22] You cast that perhaps [02:25] So what I thought an alternate thing for the for a dye was like a mold sure also possible [02:32] Yeah, so a dye is equivalent to a mold. So you have made the mold and [02:37] Then you pour whatever you're gonna put into the mold [02:41] Steel plastic whatever and then it's cast things are set into place [02:47] Is which is which is the meaning of the phrase right once basically this is already done [02:52] Okay, so I didn't know about this dye steel thing. So you've already answered it then [02:56] I just was real confused by the the dye colored clothing thing because cast didn't seem like if [03:03] Why would you throw down? You know, like I don't know the casting thing didn't make sense. But if there is a [03:09] If the hot metal is going into a cask cast [03:14] I'm 99% sure that that's what it is. Okay [03:21] They don't have to be hard I got a million of them I don't know when it started well, I would assume an industrial revolution [03:29] When are we melting metals? [03:32] Sounds right. I guess we've been melting those forever, right? Yeah, that's the thing like we were making swords and yeah [03:38] I would probably go a little bit earlier to like blacksmithing. Yeah blacksmithing [03:46] Okay [03:47] So what do you think like? [03:49] 14th century or we own a little bit later. No, maybe [03:53] 17th [03:55] 17th. Okay [03:56] All right. So I got ahead of myself and I googled it because I was so confident and you're totally rough [04:02] And stop guessing and I will still figure it out what okay [04:08] Yeah, so if you guys want to keep guessing keep going cuz it's [04:13] At least there are alternate [04:17] Potential origins well, so one of the things that I was wondering if so if you were to take a [04:25] dye and [04:29] Cast it in water. Like again, that doesn't make sense [04:31] That's and I guess you're guaranteeing what color that thing's going to be maybe and that's what the solidifying thing is or the [04:39] the [04:41] Permanence of it. Yeah, that's my thing. It's once you've died something. It's [04:46] It's gonna be that cool as it were [04:49] died in the wool [04:51] Another under Google on top of an under Google [04:57] It turns out that that's definitely not right [05:02] So, so what are we looking at then so I was confused because die cast so I was thinking it was from die casting [05:11] right and die casting is [05:14] a [05:15] Metal fabrication process that involves forcing molten metal under high pressure put into reusable metal dies [05:24] Die casting allows for the creation of metal parts with accurate dimensions sharp definition and smooth texture surfaces [05:31] Like I'd be once the die is cast the steel has cooled and like you can't change it turns out [05:37] that [05:38] The die is cast comes from Latin [05:41] Lacta alia est the dice have been thrown [05:45] what which according to [05:50] Suetonius was said by Julius Caesar when he crossed the Rubicon and invaded Italy in 49 BC [05:57] So once you throw the dice the result is going to be the result, right? [06:02] Yeah, now the good news is it dates back to English in the first half of the 1600s [06:08] Okay, there you go [06:12] So [06:14] So the die is cast is basically the dice. It's it's a dice are thrown the die [06:19] It's really just a single crappy train the single die the single die is thrown [06:24] It's cast out of your hand [06:27] Yacta alia est really the dice have been thrown is actually dice [06:33] Translation and it has nothing to do with [06:36] metals or colors [06:39] It appears not and this is everywhere you look they're pretty so [06:46] This seems pretty soft [06:50] Well see cuz I the way I wrote it in my notes was die like die [06:54] I didn't write it like a nice. Yeah, I wrote a YE cuz that's why I always thought it was [06:59] Well, this is why we do the show