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[00:06] Let's see, let's go back to the phrase origins here, how about, that's the way the cookie
[00:37] crumbles. How does this come to mean a description of how things are going to shake out, basically?
[00:51] Yeah, with the implication that it may not go your way.
[00:57] Right, typically it's the demise of things, I guess, which I guess makes sense because if
[01:07] a cookie crumbles, that's sad news.
[01:09] Yeah.
[01:12] I'll tell you what, I'm still on pumpitupparty.com, I don't see anything there about that.
[01:20] I'm sure they have a whole cookie subsection.
[01:22] Yeah, it's going to be somewhere.
[01:25] It's from the old cookie divination cult, they used to, instead of tea leaves, they were
[01:30] just crumbling cookies to read the future.
[01:33] Right.
[01:34] Yeah, when you use that, normally when I think about that, something didn't turn out the way
[01:41] you wanted exactly, like, well, that's the way the cookie crumbles, I guess if you crumble
[01:46] a cookie, it just goes, if it's a drier one, it'll go every which way.
[01:54] You don't have too much control over the way that goes.
[01:59] For moist cookies, you're going to have more control over, but, you know, drier cookies.
[02:04] Not that it's crumbling with a moist cookie.
[02:07] Yeah, yeah.
[02:08] Yeah.
[02:09] Is pre-mass produced butter clearly the same?
[02:14] It's along the lines of don't cry over spilled milk in that sense, of that it's in your
[02:19] mind that something has happened, you don't have a lot of control over it.
[02:24] Right.
[02:25] That's just the way it is, except your fate.
[02:28] Yeah.
[02:30] This is why we instituted the, you split it and I pick which half rule, the solved the
[02:34] which way the cookie crumbles rule conundrum.
[02:36] Right.
[02:37] It's a great advancement in mankind.
[02:42] Great moments in history as we should do that.
[02:51] And so when do we think people started using, that's the way the cookie crumbles, phraseology.
[02:59] This feels very Victorian to me.
[03:01] Not only do they have crunchy cookies, but also it just, it feels a bit posh as a saying.
[03:10] Yeah.
[03:11] That's the way the cookie crumbles.
[03:15] Okay.
[03:17] I could go with that.
[03:18] Joey, is that what you, you, a lot of the time.
[03:21] Yeah, I think so.
[03:22] I mean, you need, you know, ready access to, to cookies, you know, and, you know, you
[03:30] know, that's, I don't know.
[03:34] You know, you can't go too far back, you know, because, you know, they're few and far
[03:38] between or, or you just, you know, all you have is a gruel kind of stuff.
[03:42] Like, you know, at some point.
[03:44] Yeah.
[03:45] I mean, didn't we just learn that cake people were making cakes.
[03:49] The Romans were making cakes for people's 50th.
[03:52] Everybody's 50th birthday.
[03:53] They got a, got an olive oil cake.
[03:56] Yeah.
[03:57] Gravy.
[03:58] Is that what you said?
[04:00] They must've had cookies too, right?
[04:05] Cookies are just overly baked cakes.
[04:08] Yeah.
[04:09] When they're, they're handheld size.
[04:11] Well, right.
[04:13] Yeah.
[04:15] The idea is the same, like you can put some eggs, flour, and sugar.
[04:21] Yeah.
[04:22] Right.
[04:23] I mix it up and heat it.
[04:24] I feel like if I'm going British, I should probably take Shakespeare.
[04:30] Yeah.
[04:32] This does seem very Shakespearean, that he would, it's lyrical in that sense.
[04:39] Yeah.
[04:40] A little bit.
[04:41] The only other thing that I can think of is like fortune cookies.
[04:47] Which would make it very recent.
[04:49] Very crumbly.
[04:50] Very crumbly indeed.
[04:52] Very crumbly and a direct tie to sort of fate, you know.
[05:00] It's true.
[05:03] But I think it's older than that.
[05:04] I think the fortune cookies.
[05:07] Fortune cookies, did you know when they, to make a fortune cookie, the, they, at least
[05:16] originally, I don't know if they still do this, but you would sort of bake the, the
[05:22] circle like sort of most of the way.
[05:25] And then you would put the piece of paper in and then do the folding while it was still
[05:29] kind of hot, and then let it set like that.
[05:34] And then later they figured out how to, just shove it in there now.
[05:43] Yeah.
[05:44] Got some computer for that?
[05:45] I think so.
[05:46] Robot fortune cookie maker.
[05:48] That's right.
[05:49] Exactly.
[05:50] That's something Miles Turner could never do.
[05:51] Yeah.
[05:52] He's got a lot more Lego sets to go before he's that dexterous, right?
[05:57] It's like the masterclass.
[05:59] That's right.
[06:00] I think Britain sounds, sounds good for that one.
[06:09] Shakespeare seems good.
[06:10] Do you think they had, do you think they had easy access?
[06:13] They probably had easy access to cookies.
[06:15] Yeah.
[06:18] I would think so.
[06:19] Yeah.
[06:21] Let's see.
[06:22] According to idioms online, this is a, a chiefly American idiom.
[06:27] It has been used since the mid 1900s.
[06:32] It alludes to how easily a cookie will crumble into the fact that once it has, you cannot put it back together.
[06:38] But that doesn't, I don't know why they say it's chiefly, they're not citing anything here.
[06:46] The American heritage dictionary of idioms.
[06:50] It's going to put us out of business.
[06:53] Yeah, I guess it seems like in 1955, an arc, a column in the Cincinnati Inquirer by Ollie M. James uses the line.
[07:14] Well, as we say in the publishing business, sometimes that is the way the cookie crumbles.
[07:20] Well, I'll tell you, we might have to reinstate urban dictionary as a usable resource on this show.
[07:27] Because it's the second time tonight that I've had something fairly useful slang term.
[07:33] I mean, it's only relatively useful, but slang term, origin unknown from the twenties used to handle on a failure of action or disappointment.
[07:40] I mean, at the very least it's succinct.
[07:42] And it does seem a bit apocryphal in that sense that, you know, it definitely was not Shakespeare.
[07:50] No.
[07:54] Let's see what you got.
[08:04] See, also, shit happens.
[08:09] Yeah, the other side was fancier and said, say la vie.
[08:13] Shit happens.
[08:17] I would buy 20ish.
[08:19] 20ish.
[08:20] That sounds like a very 20ish phrase.
[08:22] Just kind of ran around in the language for a while before anybody wrote it down.
[08:27] Yeah, that feels pretty truthy for this one.
[08:30] Like so many of them.
[08:32] Yeah, exactly.
[08:34] All right.
[08:38] Take that, Shakespeare.
[08:40] You still can't get on the other goodables.
[08:43] Well, if we're going to allow urban dictionary, I just found another phrase that I like this one.
[08:49] It's nice to bring it up because it's not as
[08:53] as urban dictionary as you might think.
[08:56] It's not as urban as some of the other ones.
[08:59] This week, it's the phrase is wife guy.
[09:03] And it's a man who takes any opportunity to mention his wife into my ring manager.
[09:09] Yeah, that's sweet, huh?
[09:13] The other day I told him I've been thinking about getting a new couch and he says, you know what?
[09:20] Oh, yeah, my wife found ours online.
[09:35] See, this is why we can't use urban dictionary.
[09:37] It's because I have no self control.
[09:39] This one is smoking Google.
[09:42] And it is when incriminating evidence is found on one's computer relating to searches committed on your computer after a crime.
[09:54] Smoking Google.
[09:59] Griefcase.
[10:09] I like that.
[10:11] The feelings you've had about your past.
[10:14] It's like emotional baggage.
[10:28] There's the word of the thing that you see in the old cartoons.
[10:33] It's a wuga.
[10:37] And the definition is I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to eyes pop out.
[10:42] That's a dame.
[10:51] Get us out of here.
[10:52] Yeah, we should go where you find the next four.
[10:55] I read the rest of the urban dictionary.
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