Opposite of Neglect

[00:00] The last thing we got this show for you is an under googable colson. What can we answer for you this week?
[00:13] Oh, we doing under googables that was the play of super excited told us we had to
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[00:25] In the end, it's going to be better and more true than google can give you got a writing question this week
[00:32] and so I don't know if this will be good or not, but
[00:36] Thought I'd pass it along egged on
[00:41] What's the origin of egged on
[00:45] So
[00:47] The usage is is generally like it's like an instigation right like egg somebody on to
[00:55] It's to get them to do something they probably wouldn't have done
[01:00] I think instigation is how I sort of see it. Yeah, I think that's pretty darn succinct. Yeah
[01:04] Yeah
[01:08] What are the what are the the baby chickens come into this?
[01:11] Right. Yeah, is it related to eggs?
[01:16] Could it be could it go back to you know, the times where people threw food at performers?
[01:21] That's exactly where I was going to do things. Although I was thinking middle ages more like, uh, you know
[01:28] When executions were like public fare. Ah, okay
[01:32] Mm-hmm
[01:34] But what's the instigation there we like to go ahead and uh finish the deal
[01:38] Yeah, you just go ahead and uh, drop that wait drop that axe
[01:42] Yeah, it probably does make more sense for performers
[01:48] I mean, what are you that is the performance right? Yeah, it is
[01:54] Well in a performance like what are you looking for like better acting or
[01:59] Yeah, exactly better jokes better singing what I mean, like i'm thinking of people throwing not
[02:05] You know people throwing rotten tomatoes
[02:08] Whatnot or rotten eggs or something of people that are doing a substandard performance and you want them to do better, you know
[02:15] So make them stink
[02:20] And then it just becomes
[02:23] A threat maybe you know
[02:26] Hmm at some point. Yeah, you're just holding the egg above your head
[02:33] I'm not laughing
[02:36] You're gonna wind up yeah, yeah, yeah
[02:41] I should be crying here
[02:44] Yeah, the other
[02:46] Possibility, maybe is it is it culinary in some way like it's like a good
[02:52] Necessary additive for like some particular
[02:55] It's a binder in a lot of things. Yeah
[02:59] like you're you're really
[03:01] Egging on this I guess obviously the souffle would have tons of eggs, but yeah
[03:07] You're egging on your meringue
[03:10] or something
[03:12] Yeah
[03:14] Um
[03:16] Well, I was also wondering if like whether it's just like the the the protein and nutrition of an egg
[03:21] um
[03:23] I'm a lot rocky
[03:25] Yeah, i'm feeding you eggs to kind of get you
[03:28] Up and going raw eggs to
[03:31] Yeah
[03:33] That's what I was wondering if there was something there. It could be cooked too, right? I mean sure. Yeah
[03:39] Make you some scrambled eggs in the morning so you can go out and
[03:43] Conquer your day
[03:44] Hmm. Okay, so the old uh
[03:48] The old egg lobby
[03:50] That's right. It's definitely this is big egg
[03:57] The other thing that comes to mind I feel like this is probably not it but um, you know somebody
[04:02] If your house got egged you could retaliate
[04:05] Uh for that, too
[04:08] You know, it's like I you know if you're
[04:10] I see you egged me on by throwing eggs at me and now i'm gonna
[04:14] Come slash your tires. It might be called fired on
[04:17] Because that retaliation is fire for eggs. I think that's how that works, right? Oh, yeah
[04:23] Yeah
[04:25] I didn't know that was the procedure. It's an unfortunate thing you wouldn't do it. Yeah
[04:30] I don't run in those circles you and david west probably have some meetups i'm guessing
[04:39] How about uh the new enforcer tech of the year
[04:45] How about like the just the act of
[04:48] You know hence sitting on eggs, right because by keeping them warm you're promoting growth
[04:54] Hmm
[04:56] Yeah, sure
[04:57] You're sort of yeah asking this thing to to come alive
[05:03] Yeah, I think
[05:04] Okay. Okay. I I will let me let me say that there's a another option here is that it's not connected to the word egg at all
[05:12] It's a derivation
[05:14] From some, you know latin word that from the german for poking face
[05:20] Exactly, and so we think it's connected to eggs
[05:23] But in fact, it's you know, um, I don't know. It's it's like the opposite of neglect. It's neglect. I don't know
[05:38] That's one way to that's it's a possibility
[05:42] I mean a bunch of these things that have had like french, uh french origins
[05:48] Yeah, like the humble pie ones. Yeah
[05:51] Yeah, nomble
[05:52] Well, so how about this one? This has got to be related to egg on your face somehow, right?
[05:59] And that's when you're something happens and you're embarrassed by it right like so
[06:04] So would egg on your face motivate you to because you're embarrassed
[06:08] Motivate you to somebody age you on by throwing an egg at your face
[06:11] Now you have egg on your face and you're embarrassed and you're and you're motivated to do better
[06:19] It's not bad
[06:21] Egg on your face is really close to egg on I mean it's yeah, it's in the it's in the phrases in the other phrase
[06:28] So Harper you think like it's an inception shit right here. It's a dream within the dream
[06:34] so maybe Harper like if you you you were um
[06:38] the general manager of a basketball team and you
[06:40] uh
[06:41] You know
[06:43] Picked up a superstar and then several other superstars to help the superstar do his job
[06:48] And then superstar one decides he doesn't want to play basketball anymore
[06:51] That'd be like an example of egg on your face, right?
[06:53] I mean, I would definitely buy those other superstars dozens of eggs
[06:57] through the bench
[06:58] And just see where it goes
[07:00] Just see what happens as they walk into their locker rooms. Yeah
[07:05] A dozen eggs in the locker
[07:08] So and and we see this seems very yeah medieval medieval. I like that unless it's big egg
[07:15] And
[07:17] So, when would big egg come in we're talking turn of the century
[07:21] Yeah, we're we're talking. Yeah, like like mattress coke, you know, okay, sure
[07:25] All those things 19th industrial revolution. That's what they want you to think they're actually the templars
[07:31] It's like the the precursor to the the got milk campaign
[07:35] It's like milk makes you stronger eggs eggs make you stronger. Basically right here egg done
[07:44] um
[07:45] Yeah, I don't think I don't think this is a french derivation
[07:49] because uh
[07:52] Because one egg is enough
[07:57] Well done, sir
[08:00] Oh
[08:01] Yes, that's why
[08:03] Gotcha. Well, I am on uh phrases.org
[08:10] For egg on and the page is blank. So that's not very promising
[08:14] No
[08:22] According to the grammarist.com
[08:27] It seems like the verb agede
[08:31] Which it doesn't give us a language of origin
[08:34] Uh from which the phrase to egg someone on is derived has been in the english language since approximately 1200
[08:41] It is derived from the old norse word
[08:44] Agia, that's what i'm getting which means to incite or provoke
[08:51] Damn it english
[08:56] so it is uh disentangled from the
[09:00] The what we think of as an egg, right?
[09:04] Completely yeah, according to this. Let's see if we see right
[09:09] Uh, so yeah edge it's essentially like the it's more related to the word edge. Ah
[09:15] Uh, which yeah and once described in particular the sharp edge of a sword
[09:21] So eggs were not so much the motivation as the slicing as ah the old slicing of the sword
[09:29] I think it's the slicing of your body by the sword
[09:33] That's the more important part sure
[09:35] Okay
[09:37] And it looks like it was yeah back to middle english
[09:44] So colson, I think you were the closest by saying it was not
[09:49] English it could be not english. I mean, I think we probably nailed the time frame
[09:54] I would agree. Well, we were pretty close
[09:57] What's the years on the middle asians? Well, so it appeared in english. It would appear in like the mid 1500s
[10:03] Okay
[10:05] But if we're going back to old norse, I mean you can't I mean
[10:09] You can't put timelines on old norse a range of nine
[10:12] 900 to 1200 ad is kind of what i'm seeing and in english or norse
[10:18] Uh, the norse 900 and english 1200
[10:24] Okay
[10:27] So we're full on dark ages
[10:32] Yeah, so basically yeah english just took it and made it its own thing
[10:38] Either day someone meant the same as to edge someone on and and was used that way until about 1566
[10:46] I don't know how this is from
[10:49] Robert hindrickson facts on file encyclopedia of word and phrase origins fourth edition
[10:55] I also do just like the sentence neither does it derive from the norman invaders pricking anglo-saxon prisoners in the buttocks with their eggs
[11:03] The points of their spears when urging them to move faster. Wow
[11:07] so many potential
[11:09] origins
[11:11] There's another one that's saying it is not connected to the phrase that employs
[11:14] The other common use of egg as a verb as that is over egg the pudding
[11:20] So it's not it's not that
[11:22] I mean well
[11:24] I use that they just don't want you they just don't want you to put too much egg in the pudding. Is that don't do that
[11:29] What if it's eggy pudding?
[11:33] You still but there's still a proper amount of eggs
[11:41] Uh, so so but it is no connection to egg on your face then
[11:46] Nope, um
[11:48] So i'm finding
[11:52] In a quick search here
[11:57] That egg on your face is fairly new
[12:01] Like second half of the 20th century
[12:05] Or nope, here we go. Here's an earlier
[12:09] That was big that was big
[12:13] I'm seeing yeah 1964
[12:18] Yeah
[12:21] I'm also seeing references to victorian england and throwing eggs at people in like the choir or like the the pit, right?
[12:28] Right. So
[12:29] But we were we knew that people were throwing eggs at people. We knew yes. Yes
[12:38] It was happening
[12:40] um, i'm seeing here that uh
[12:43] I don't know. There's no this is quora. There's no source on this but uh, a dog eating eggs with egg on his face
[12:49] Would get in trouble
[12:52] I don't know. My dog never got in trouble for that
[12:59] I'm sure the egg deserved it. It was asking for it
[13:09] Oh, that was good. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Nice question. Mm-hmm. Appreciate that one
[13:14] I uh, I believe um that that was from fans of the so, uh
[13:21] Sean and shannon, shout out guys
[13:24] Shout out good question. Sean and shannon are awesome. Yeah, they are
[13:30] um before we get out of here, I
[13:33] Uh, I did get sucked down to uh, urban dictionary as I often do
[13:41] It's my favorite part of the show this is a good one. I like this one
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