Unkempt Lawn

[00:00] Jason, do you have an under google for us?
[00:03] I do
[00:15] We do under Google rules. That was the play of super excited told us we had to
[00:23] We signed up for it in the end it's gonna be better and more true than Google can give you
[00:31] so so my dog gets these uh
[00:35] I think they're called bark box. So once a month you get a new box with treats and
[00:41] New toys and stuff like that and they always have a theme
[00:44] This this month's theme was it's carnivals or whatever
[00:49] and
[00:50] So one of the stuffed animals was a was a runaway goat
[00:56] That had like a you know stolen a bunch of tickets or something like that anyway, so we're playing with the toy and
[01:03] Doc's duck plays like keep away basically you like throw the toy and then he tries to like run to his bed
[01:08] And so I tried to like grab it
[01:10] Running after and I'm like doc. I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna get that goat. I'm gonna get your goat
[01:18] Get your go gonna get your goat
[01:22] Interesting nice. We think it's not from the bark box. That's not where that phrase
[01:26] So, can we get it can we get a definition of the phrase I'm gonna get your goat
[01:40] It's kind of like something that really
[01:46] What is it it hits you right where?
[01:49] Right where it hurts really get agitate you in a profound way. Exactly. Okay, kind of like pushing your buttons
[01:57] Yeah, like losing plus insult to injury sort of scenario. Mmm
[02:03] Okay. Yeah, sure. Yeah, something like that
[02:07] Like does this go back to like livestock trade?
[02:12] Horse racing horse racing involved
[02:18] I
[02:19] Feel like the way that they probably used to arbitrate
[02:22] Many community disagreements was probably through livestock. I mean it probably substitute for currency for a long time
[02:29] Sure, for sure. So if somebody gets your goat
[02:32] It means that you know, maybe some elder had decided against you and some sort of dispute
[02:39] You lost the dispute. Yeah, you could hold it over them later. So you got your goat, man
[02:50] And I painted eyes on his butt
[02:52] The other thing I was thinking the other thing I was thinking was maybe
[03:03] Like, you know if somebody's goats were very important to them like it just as as property, you know if they were stolen
[03:12] And you know, I don't know if you but I don't if you would brag about that, you know if you stole something from them
[03:18] Because I feel like that's like a no, but you you would feel the pain of that, you know, play
[03:27] From the if your goat was being stolen, you would yeah
[03:31] You got to say that really got my good. Somebody got my goat. Yeah
[03:37] Okay, so these are all very literal very literal yeah, I wonder if it was like cat got your tongue sort of thing, right like
[03:45] Where
[03:49] There's no it's it's the cat of nine tails, right or something like that. Is that what it ended up what that one was?
[03:55] I can't remember what we do these things so often. I forget I learned nothing from this show
[04:01] Yeah, I wonder if it's a metaphor
[04:04] And and the goat being
[04:07] a
[04:08] Metaphor for I outside of wealth. I can't come up with it for your pride or something like for your pride
[04:14] we did kid gloves where the
[04:18] The goat hair was very fine and soft
[04:22] I can't get anything outside of like I think this is Ireland
[04:26] And it's yeah, I think it's I think it's Irish court law. That's where it's coming from
[04:32] Wow, it's very specific. Yeah, very specific. Okay. Okay and 1643. Yes. Yes, exactly. I
[04:43] Was gonna say 1628, but I'll take 40
[04:47] Yeah, I wonder if it goes back further than that if it if it is really like
[04:54] going back to the days of like
[04:56] goats as like
[04:58] one of your most valuable pieces of property and everything's in a in a grary and culture like
[05:04] that goes back to like
[05:05] Mesopotamia
[05:06] Like that, right? Well, you know goats do a lot of
[05:10] lawn management
[05:12] like what if what if
[05:15] If your lawn was unkempt you'd be like, oh, yeah, my neighbors got my goat
[05:26] It's like go to excuse me. Exactly. Exactly. I let him borrow the mower essentially
[05:39] I
[05:40] Joey would give me my goat back. That's right
[05:45] What do you have a goat guys you have a goat guy I
[05:49] Think it's falconry you think it's falconry. Okay, so you're saying Mesopotamia Jason
[05:57] I think it goes back a long way. So that's my I think it probably goes pretty deep and it's probably
[06:04] fairly locked into the idiom
[06:06] So you're gonna end up with you know, it's probably in use for a long time before Shakespeare wrote it down or something. Okay
[06:13] Yeah
[06:16] Joey, what do you think? I?
[06:19] mean, yeah, basically I
[06:21] Not didn't the pagans always have a bunch of stuff with goats. Wasn't there like a bunch of goat sex parties with the pagans
[06:27] I don't think that's what it was
[06:29] Like maybe no
[06:31] No, I think that you're thinking of like the bacchanal or something. I
[06:36] Feel like again, we've done a bunch of these where there's a always a good sex party somehow
[06:40] I did think I do think that at some point that you know
[06:43] Any time anybody was you know for basically for any occasion you slaughter a goat, right? Like, okay, sure. I
[06:52] Mean any good occasion occasion. Yeah
[06:55] Any occasion worth a damn you slaughter in the Bible, you know, God would say something and they're like, yeah
[07:02] Yeah, hold on. Let me go kill a goat and I'll be right back
[07:06] Okay, okay
[07:07] Well, wasn't Abraham supposed to kill Isaac and then at the last second God said that he could replace it with a goat
[07:16] You're I think you're our Bible guy. I don't know how
[07:19] Just I mean if Abraham hadn't had a goat on him, that would have been embarrassing
[07:25] Had to call his neighbor up and be like you got my goat right otherwise I have to kill my kid
[07:32] I
[07:33] Gotta get back that go back. Well, it seems like it might be horse race
[07:44] No way. Yes, you said that in just up front. Yeah
[07:52] According to dictionary calm this expression comes from a tradition and horse racing
[07:57] Thought to have a calming effect on high strong thoroughbreds
[08:01] A goat was placed in the horses stall on the night before the race
[08:06] Unscrupulous opponents would then steal the goat in an effort to upset the horse and cause it to lose the race
[08:15] in
[08:18] Prank it it appears
[08:23] In 1904
[08:25] For the first time maybe yeah, everything I'm seeing is like early 1900s first imprint is oh
[08:43] 1999
[08:47] Stevens point daily journal. I also like so basically this stuff
[08:55] I'm reading is essentially if it's not that and I think there's no
[09:01] Concrete evidence that it is that seem to be that well-founded
[09:05] But if it's not that then nobody has any idea, right, right
[09:10] It may have something to do with scapegoating
[09:14] Yeah, okay. I mean given what we've learned
[09:28] through these things before and I guess not really shot that it would come from horse racing, right
[09:34] Yeah, no, that's that's added to the list now of Shakespeare falconry and nautical things, right? Yeah, horse racing is definitely
[09:44] Getting up there I think the Urban Dictionaries doing it right though some of it some
[09:53] Some of those some of the taunts that they are
[09:57] Offering our quote better keep that goat tied up. I'm gonna get I'm gonna get them
[10:05] Well, thank you guys for helping me
[10:11] Yeah, well, I don't know if we we learned anything we it's potentially horse racing or no one knows
[10:19] Right. Yeah, wait, that's that's fine. That's knowledge. I suppose it's further than we were sure
[10:27] It really gets my goat that we can't answer this
[10:31] You've been doing some horse racing recently it went down to the wire
[10:42] Call back, you know, I don't remember that. Yeah, you don't want to look this gift horse in the mouth