Episode 51 · July 25, 2020
I've Got a Goat Guy
A host asks why we have lawns at all, and the group traces them from castles to suburbia.
“I wish my lawn was emo. So cut itself.” (13:12)
Questions
Why do we have lawns? (01:02)
Our guess
A status symbol of wealth starting with castles and aristocrats and then imitated in suburbia, and perhaps keeping a clear line of sight.
A status symbol of wealth starting with castles and aristocrats and then imitated in suburbia, and perhaps keeping a clear line of sight.
Reveal the answer
The answer
The hosts' guess matched the research: lawns began around castles, where sheep and goats kept them grazed, and were later copied by landowners. The lawnmower and designers like Frederick Law Olmsted spread them. One theory is that humans prefer short grass because savannas helped them spot danger.
The hosts' guess matched the research: lawns began around castles, where sheep and goats kept them grazed, and were later copied by landowners. The lawnmower and designers like Frederick Law Olmsted spread them. One theory is that humans prefer short grass because savannas helped them spot danger.
Verdict right
Transcript (auto-generated)
[00:00] So Coalson, we've got an under Google for us this week. [00:04] It's been a while, I feel like. [00:05] So I've done this. [00:06] Yeah, missed it. [00:07] We took took the summer off. [00:10] But we're back back to under Google, Google. [00:19] Oh, we do under Google rules. [00:21] That was the play of super excited. [00:23] Told us we had to say it was that we said we signed up for it. [00:30] In the end, it's going to be better [00:32] and more true than Google can give you. [00:35] Is this the kind of thing where you've had a question for like four months [00:39] and you just didn't get the answer to it because you wanted to save it for this? [00:42] That is absolutely the case, Joey. [00:44] I when I there was stuff would come up and I'd be like, I should Google this. [00:48] And I said, no, I'm just going to put it in my notes [00:51] and I'll wait for my very smart friends to help me figure out the answer. [00:55] I hope it wasn't like what time does this flight arrive? [01:02] So one that occurred to me this summer, [01:06] I'm out there in the sweltering heat mowing my lawn. [01:12] And I thought, why the hell do we have lawns? [01:17] Why do I have to put myself through this? [01:19] What's the what's the deal with lawns? [01:22] Yeah, well, I mean, the weird thing about it is you actually don't have to have a lawn. [01:28] Well, no, that's the thing. [01:30] Well, no, I know. [01:30] But like, so I'm actually currently like getting ready to put a patty over [01:36] most of my yard because I and I've already put zero skipping. [01:40] Yeah, I've put a deck over half the yard already. [01:42] So, I mean, I'm one of those guys. [01:44] But, you know, and I've also lived in Arizona. [01:47] There's a lot of just rock gardens instead of lawns. [01:51] I really like those. [01:53] But I just I thought the only thing I can think of is that [01:56] it's connected to this idea of wealth or prestige [02:03] that that you could own space that you weren't living. [02:08] I mean, that you weren't actually having a house on. [02:11] And it's kind of showing off how much lawn you had. [02:16] But really, then you just have to get like a riding lawnmower, which is lame. [02:21] Well, I think lawns may have this going to be shocking. [02:24] They may have invented lawns before the riding lawnmower. [02:27] Well, I'm sure they I'm sure they have. [02:29] But like I was thinking, like, if you like you've done a castle, right? [02:34] If you lived in a castle. [02:35] Yeah, exactly. [02:36] Probably had some green space outside of that. [02:38] And that showed that you were wealthy. [02:39] You know, big book. [02:40] But what else do you do? [02:42] What else do big, long clearings of not overgrowth do for you [02:48] if you're living in a castle? [02:50] You just see people coming. [02:52] Line of say, yeah, exactly. [02:55] OK, so I mean, you should be at your windows. [02:59] You're the bow and arrow with the bow and arrow where a gun or something [03:03] at all times line of sight. Yeah. [03:05] So if I had just big weeds outside of my window, [03:09] I couldn't see anybody coming. [03:10] Yeah, people would just sneak through them and then ambush you. [03:14] How can you tell right now? [03:15] No idea. When's the last time you cut your weeds? [03:20] You more and you put up walls all over the place. [03:23] I did it. I built a bunch of walls, too. [03:25] Can't see outside. Yeah. [03:27] Hard at work building a shed. [03:28] That's where they hide, John. [03:30] Yeah, I'm just trying to take up my green space. [03:33] I don't want to know anymore. [03:34] Just massive shit. [03:35] And then they take you out behind the shed. [03:40] Leave no space behind the shed, John. [03:42] That's a bad idea. [03:46] Actually, next time I come over, [03:48] I'll take you out behind there. [03:49] Give you what's what. [03:51] Give me what's what. [03:53] Well, I think this is an interesting question, too, [03:55] because the law, like grasses, though, are not native. [04:01] If I am correct to Europe, right? [04:06] Like most of them are native to the Americas, isn't that right? [04:09] And then. Well, I don't know, [04:12] I'm thinking you got your Kentucky bluegrass. [04:14] Yeah, I think that most grasses are probably. [04:20] Imported, but like, I mean, [04:21] what society needed a hundred different types of grass for golf? [04:25] I mean, maybe they're all Scottish. [04:27] I don't know. Mm hmm. [04:28] Good call. And a grass grass is a large family, [04:32] I guess, of plants, actually, right? [04:33] Because corn is a grass, I think. Is it right? [04:37] Uh huh. OK. Oh, is a grass man. [04:40] Speaking of grass is a grass. [04:43] Shout out to Canada, which is legalized grass as. [04:50] No doubt, no doubt. [04:52] So we're going with it was castles had it. [04:56] And then the maybe like landed nobleman [05:03] beyond that is sort of the aristocracy inherited that [05:08] sort of regime. [05:10] You had a mansion, so you would have a lawn and then [05:13] and then suburbia happens and everybody wants to be [05:16] emulating that type of life. [05:19] This is my question. [05:20] I get the emulation and you want to show off that you've got space and lawn, [05:24] but I want to figure out the jump between line of sight to. [05:30] The wealthy wanting it is always a straight FU. [05:33] It's a straight middle finger, right? [05:35] I've got all this land and instead of using it to be arable, [05:40] I'm just I'm not going to grow food on it. [05:42] I'm going to make it look as good as I can. [05:45] I'm going to make all you guys tend to it. OK. [05:48] And that'll be my thing. [05:50] And then and then here. [05:52] We all so then then it comes to the Americas [05:56] and we're like, yeah, we want to show off that we can do the same things [06:01] to the poor people in the neighborhood. [06:03] Well, or to the Native Americans. [06:06] Well, I mean, I think you do have an interesting point, which is, you know, [06:10] how has it come this far? [06:11] And until somebody has a water crisis, nobody really thinks about it. [06:16] Yeah, because it is so we all have frickin lawns. [06:18] It's so inveterate. [06:21] But I mean, I think that it probably does grow out of that out of that tradition. [06:28] You're right of proving that you have money by wasting it. [06:35] OK, I'm wasting my lawn as an FU to people that are hungry. [06:39] And in the lawn wasting my yard and I guess the lawn became preferred [06:45] because once one had to tend to some lawn, [06:50] then that was much easier than, say, having a garden. [06:52] So I feel like a garden is an equal [06:56] and not a garden, but a not a fruiting garden. [06:59] You know what I mean? [07:00] Like just flowers and hedges and whatnot. Right. [07:03] Like that's an equal FU to people without land. [07:08] I mean, you know, if you're going to use your yard, grass is good, right? [07:12] Like if you want your kids to go out and play out there, [07:13] you don't just want a muddy rock pit, right? [07:17] Unless you want them to be tough. [07:19] And that's exactly what's wrong with America. [07:23] Too many lawns. [07:24] Well, you know, there's there's I've got a neighbor across the way [07:27] that their entire front yard is just like a wildflower field. [07:31] Like they've got really long grass and a billion bees. [07:36] I don't want to live next to them. [07:38] And I just thought, well, it's, you know, [07:40] I don't think they're out there like pulling weeds all the time. [07:44] They're just kind of letting it happen. [07:45] And I just don't know why most yards aren't like that. [07:48] I guess you're right, because we want our kids to run and play. [07:51] But I don't have kids. [07:52] I'm still out there mowing. [07:54] I don't water. [07:56] Yeah, I don't either. [07:57] So therefore I don't have to mow much. [08:00] Doesn't it rain out there a lot? [08:02] Not during the summer. [08:04] Hmm. Does it go back further than castles? [08:07] So do the people have. [08:11] Do people like put their mud huts in grassy fields? [08:16] I doubt it, but the Greeks may have done something similar. [08:19] They probably cleared land around their fortifications as well. [08:22] From what I'm seeing, what I'm googling so far, it's [08:28] that we're sort of spot on that it starts with castles [08:32] and they originally sort of tended by sheep and goats and whatnot. [08:37] The White House didn't. [08:40] Was it Johnson, maybe, or Jackson Wilson? [08:45] During the Depression, he had he just put sheep out on the. [08:49] Yeah, he definitely did that. [08:51] But I think also, I think also. [08:55] Jackson Jackson, which one was the populist Jackson Jackson? [08:59] Yeah, I think Jackson did it, too, for some reason. [09:01] I don't know why that would be noteworthy, but. [09:06] So I was laughing at the people also ask section of my Google search. [09:14] The first one was when was grass invented? [09:18] Good. And the other one, which is even more cryptic, [09:23] it says, why is the grass question mark? [09:31] OK, yeah, it says spot on, although it goes back further. [09:34] It says scientists know the need for humans [09:39] to surround themselves with low growing turf grass. [09:43] In Africa, many thousands of years ago, turf grasses of expansive savannas [09:47] allowed humans to better spot approaching danger. [09:50] Yes, I mean, there's a good argument to be made that if you believe in evolution, [09:54] the great rift barrier, which created the savannas, like, got us into bipeds. [09:58] But like, right, they didn't plan them. [10:02] There was just like a seismic event. [10:04] Right. Yeah, as far as popularization goes, I'm reading, you know, [10:08] the Industrial Revolution brings about the lawnmower, which allows people to, [10:12] you know, more people to have lawns. [10:16] And then Frederick Law Olmsted, the father of American landscape design. [10:22] And he does design Central Park. [10:25] I know that from that book, Devil in the White City, [10:29] is a very good book. [10:31] Games, golf, lawnmowing, arts. [10:35] You know, you can't populate some people who wanted lawns. [10:39] This one also speaks to farming where most of the areas [10:43] that weren't dedicated to vegetables, fruit and herbs [10:46] were central grassy spaces for the sheep and cows to graze. [10:53] That makes sense that it takes 60 goats [10:56] about three to five days to clear out a quarter of an acre of dense land. [11:00] Go, goats. Jason, don't you have a goat guy? [11:04] Sure, yeah, I got a good guy. [11:06] You need some goats? [11:08] Yeah, we'll talk after the show. OK. [11:11] Well, if I knew you had a goat guy, I wouldn't have paved my whole backyard. [11:15] I just had a goat. [11:17] I don't even know if you're. [11:18] Yeah, he works in big chunks, so. [11:23] I need more land. [11:25] Well, that makes sense. [11:26] I I still like the idea of rock garden. [11:30] I'm just considering putting it in. [11:32] I definitely do it. [11:34] Yeah, I mean, especially as as the climate continues to change [11:39] and there's continues to be wet water shortages and things, it seems. [11:44] And also, I just don't like spending my Saturdays mowing along. [11:46] Yeah, and that's a mess from the labor and gas that you use to mow the camel. [11:52] Yeah, I just don't know if Coalson can break away [11:56] from the self-identity of showing off his lawn to his neighbors [12:01] and proving that he's better because he has stuff I just. [12:05] So central to this core. [12:07] Always keeping up with the Joneses and. [12:11] Well, and you know what I can add on top of this now, [12:13] my knowledge of why lawns exist to just support my superiority. [12:18] Yeah, exactly. [12:19] So I can tear it out and then lord that knowledge over. [12:22] So win, win, win. [12:26] You should make one of those those free little libraries [12:29] in front of your yard, but then also with pamphlets about why you don't. [12:38] Totally incidental. [12:39] Yeah, except they'll be called why you're a douchebag [12:41] because you have a lot. It'll be very subtle. [12:45] How to make friends. [12:49] You can get the AstroTurf. [12:53] Lay that down instead. [12:54] Yeah, made out of plastic. [12:56] That's yeah, probably a good idea. [12:58] Yeah, that'll biodegrade in a million years. [13:02] Then you'll have to replace it in a million years. [13:04] You're good to go now. [13:05] I don't have to cut it. [13:06] It'll survive a nuclear war. [13:08] Yeah, be great. [13:10] I wish my lawn was emo. [13:12] So cut itself. Oh, my God. [13:19] Wow, that was actually a lot better than I thought it was going to be. [13:21] I'll give you that one. [13:23] That's what you sent me a joke this week. [13:25] What was that, Coalson? [13:26] It blindsided me. I'll be honest with you. [13:29] Did you hear about the guy that got his entire left side amputated? [13:34] He's all right. [13:35] Hmm. Yep. Yep. [13:41] I just said that to Joey on a random day because that was fun. [13:44] So I tried to I tried to tell my dad that joke that evening [13:49] when I was on the phone and didn't it didn't go over. [13:55] It didn't. It went about as well as it did just right now. [14:00] And then I was like, what? [14:01] That wasn't my joke. That was Coalson's joke. [14:03] So, yeah. Yeah. [14:05] Sounds about right. [14:06] Yeah. Well, we learned something. [14:10] Did we?